SEAL Book Raises Questions About Bin Laden's Death

Jason P

It's #1 on Amazon right now.

336 pages.

Although I think the guy is a dick for spilling his guts ... I pre-ordered it. :oops:

Jason P

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Please, this is the least of the lies that have been hidden in this war. You are going to accuse me of being a typical democrat but whether he was holding a gun is slightly less appalling than lying to part tillmans family about how he was killed and using him as propaganda. At least Obama is using our biggest enemy for propaganda and not a hero. Or about blackwaters role or about torture.

I guess whether the dude was holding a gun and standing a few yards from where he was described is as big of an issue to some. I don't see it

That was really bad. :(

josevolution

So this is the 1st administration to lie to the American public oh ok Man how quickly we forget about those WOMD that were all over IRAQ ....

Who Princess

josevolution wrote:

So this is the 1st administration to lie to the American public oh ok Man how quickly we forget about those WOMD that were all over IRAQ ....

Not to mention the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

Jason P

Who Princess wrote:

Not to mention the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

I'd never heard of this incident. By the power of Wikipedia, I'm now a little more informed.

Cosmo

DS1119 wrote:

Not true even though this is off topic. I do believe, just to name one example, Jesse Ventura was a Navy SEAL. He became a professional wrestler and then a Governor. He then hosted a show on TRUTV talking about government conspiracies.

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Apples and Raisins.
When was Jesse Ventura serving... was he assigned to mission similar to the assassination of Bin Laden? If so, has that mission been de-classified? If it is still classified, what did/oes he say about it to the general public?
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Your overall comment would be true if the Bin Laden raid has been de-classified. Has it?

mickeyrat

ok, what we have is one mans account out of x number of seals present. I think the account we got last year was one that was a rough consensus after debrief.

So take his account for whatever its worth. One mans account.

dimitrispearljam

Cosmo wrote:

the Bin Laden raid has been de-classified. Has it?

i dont see this happening for the next 30 years...

DS1119

Cosmo wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Not true even though this is off topic. I do believe, just to name one example, Jesse Ventura was a Navy SEAL. He became a professional wrestler and then a Governor. He then hosted a show on TRUTV talking about government conspiracies.

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Apples and Raisins.
When was Jesse Ventura serving... was he assigned to mission similar to the assassination of Bin Laden? If so, has that mission been de-classified? If it is still classified, what did/oes he say about it to the general public?
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Your overall comment would be true if the Bin Laden raid has been de-classified. Has it?

I brought Jesse Ventura up to anaswer another question. I can't speak about what he has or hasn't done. I do know I have seen interviews where he details some of the things he did.

What people are forgetting is what this SEAL is doing is not illegal. The government will examine the transcript and if there's something illegal, he will be charged accordingly. I tend to put more stock in what a Navy SEAL says than any politician.

Cosmo

DS1119 wrote:

I brought Jesse Ventura up to anaswer another question. I can't speak about what he has or hasn't done. I do know I have seen interviews where he details some of the things he did.

What people are forgetting is what this SEAL is doing is not illegal. The government will examine the transcript and if there's something illegal, he will be charged accordingly. I tend to put more stock in what a Navy SEAL says than any politician.

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Who said anything about illegal? Weren't me... was it?
I'm on the side where I'm smart enough to know the difference between 'The Official Line' and the 'Actual Truth' and they don't exactly coincide. The operations team member does not have to maintain diplomatic ties with foriegn governments and all of that politial bullshit.
Go back as read what BlackRedYellow wrote about what happened and what the official story was. He nailed it right on the head.

Who Princess

Jason P wrote:

Who Princess wrote:

Not to mention the Gulf of Tonkin incident.

I'd never heard of this incident. By the power of Wikipedia, I'm now a little more informed.

I'm not saying this was the first time the government misled the public. Who knows how far back that kind of stuff goes? :roll:

This was just one of the more egregious examples and it led to a significant change in policy by effectively granting the president the ability to wage war without a declaration from Congress.

dimitrispearljam

Cosmo wrote:

I'm on the side where I'm smart enough to know the difference between 'The Official Line' and the 'Actual Truth' and they don't exactly coincide. The operations team member does not have to maintain diplomatic ties with foriegn governments and all of that politial bullshit.
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i can tell than from what i read from you that you know and understand alot how military works...
is like im listening an officer to talk at a briefing...

petejm043

Some one posted something here that what the SEAL did was illegal. There is nothing illegal about him writing a book. This SEAL is still a hero and deserves our respect even if people dont agree with him. As a matter of fact there is a movie coming in December, Zero Dark Thirty, show how White House officals cooperated with the film makers. I dont see anything wrong with that either as long as security is not compromised.

Cosmo

petejm043 wrote:

Some one posted something here that what the SEAL did was illegal. There is nothing illegal about him writing a book. This SEAL is still a hero and deserves our respect even if people dont agree with him. As a matter of fact there is a movie coming in December, Zero Dark Thirty, show how White House officals cooperated with the film makers. I dont see anything wrong with that either as long as security is not compromised.

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It all depends on the classification of the mission. If they were told to remain silent... they are supposed to remain silent. Just like a judge can order jurors to avoid any news about the case or face charges of juror misconduct.
Until we gain access to the classification documents and the minutes of the de-briefing... all we can do is guess.
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Bottom line... Great Job Seal Team Six, taking out Bin Laden was the right call to make. How the plan was executed and shot shot whom where... I really don't give a fuck. I'm just glad we don't have to deal with fuck nuts kidnapping people and demanding his release.

BinauralJam

Nobody thinks he might be alive? really?

Cosmo

BinauralJam wrote:

Nobody thinks he might be alive? really?

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Naw... he's deader than Elvis.

petejm043

What do you mean Elvis is dead?

Getting back to the topic, do you think the mission will ever de de-classified? I dont think so.
The reason being is that it would provide names of those who assisted us. I know that there's the
Pakistani doctor who is in prison now...but I think there was more than him.

Cosmo

petejm043 wrote:

What do you mean Elvis is dead?

Getting back to the topic, do you think the mission will ever de de-classified? I dont think so.
The reason being is that it would provide names of those who assisted us. I know that there's the
Pakistani doctor who is in prison now...but I think there was more than him.

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No. and it should not be... for a long, long time.
There are just some awful things you must do in this world. Sometimes, you have to do bad shit... often times, bordering evil shit. Going around and bragging about it is being a dick. That's what the sugar coating is for... to make the bad shit easier for the citizenry to swallow.

petejm043

Cosmo wrote:

petejm043 wrote:

What do you mean Elvis is dead?

Getting back to the topic, do you think the mission will ever de de-classified? I dont think so.
The reason being is that it would provide names of those who assisted us. I know that there's the
Pakistani doctor who is in prison now...but I think there was more than him.

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No. and it should not be... for a long, long time.
There are just some awful things you must do in this world. Sometimes, you have to do bad shit... often times, bordering evil shit. Going around and bragging about it is being a dick. That's what the sugar coating is for... to make the bad shit easier for the citizenry to swallow.

You are correct...unfortantely. Too many crazies out there.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

the distinction?

if he is killed by an american bullet it is an american victory

if he kills himself he is a martyr to his supporters.