Predicted Romney win..

peacefrompaul

EdsonNascimento wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

If Iran sends a missile this way, we'll be ready. Until then, not my problem. Leave them be.

Ok, JFK.

Any other good advice?

Sure. Shall we glass Iran instead?

EdsonNascimento

peacefrompaul wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

If Iran sends a missile this way, we'll be ready. Until then, not my problem. Leave them be.

Ok, JFK.

Any other good advice?

Sure. Shall we glass Iran instead?

As in put in a transparent border? Unfortunately, I think they'd figure a way out.....

peacefrompaul

EdsonNascimento wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

If Iran sends a missile this way, we'll be ready. Until then, not my problem. Leave them be.

Ok, JFK.

Any other good advice?

EDIT: I could also say FDR - but that's a less direct missle reference. As in, ignoring the Holocaust until Pearl Harbor. Kind of funny that it's the Democrats that have to have the gun pointed at their heads before they get Theodore Roosevelt's sound advice. Speak Softly. Carry a Big Stick.

Speak softly and spread your influence throughout South America

peacefrompaul

EdsonNascimento wrote:

As in put in a transparent border? Unfortunately, I think they'd figure a way out.....

As in blowing them all to hell.

Or, what? Precision airstrike the nuclear facilities and "accidentally" kill a few hundred innocent people?

PJ_Soul

peacefrompaul wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I think it's their blood-hate for Jews that makes them even more nutty than that.
I'm think the US and everyone else should just butt the fuck out and leave the Middle East to deal with its own shit, but I don't choose sides over there either. EVERYONE is wrong! Israel, Palestine, Iran, the Taliban, Pakistan ... they're all fucked and they're all wrong and they will never budge. I don't support the US's support of Israel, but I don't support the Palestinians an ounce more - it's not like their stance is admirable - and certainly not Iran, who, like the Palestinians, simply wants to wipe Jews off the face of the planet, and some of them wouldn't mind taking out America while they're at it; Jihad is about religious fanaticism, and some of those Iranian politicians are pretty gung ho about Jihad ... Can't really blame Israel for being just a tad defensive, and I was never clear on why people pick a side in that conflict. I mean, I understand the anger at Israel (and the US); I have it too. But I don't get why people think that means they have to side with the Palestinians (or Iran or whoever). I think they're all equally wrong (speaking of the politicians and other involved obviously - not each individual citizen).

It's not terribly hard to see why Palestinians are mad...

And Iran has every right to build whatever they want. If they want to protect themselves, so be it. If I was the leader of Iran I would certainly be a little on the edge if I had that many bases surrounding me from a foreign country that has not been entirely friendly in the past.

Jihad is not supposed to be as crazy as it has gotten... in fact it's incredibly important to Muslims from what I have read and studied in the past.

It's the nuts that turn Jihad into something else, something it shouldn't be... extremely violent. Not every Muslim is this way, obviously.

If Iran sends a missile this way, we'll be ready. Until then, not my problem. Leave them be.

Exactly. It's the nuts who turn Jihad into something else. And they are the ones in charge.
Of course it's easy to see why the Palestinians are mad. Just as easy as it is for the Israelis. I'm just saying I don't understand why anyone feels like there is a preferable side to pick.

I can't say I'm comfortable with Iran just building nukes any old time they want! They are not the same as the US or Russia. They're actually liable to use them as bombs and not just as political leverage.

musicismylife78

i think its romneys to lose. The anger towards obama in every sector of american society, not just republicans and tea partiers is staggering. He;s way more hated than bush ever was. Romney could hit back at obama on a million legitmate issues of where he;s been a complete and utter failure. But that wont happen. This election like every election before it, is and will be about money, corporate interests, lobbies and power. Meanwhile the country descends further into absolute chaos.

The issue of the election will be the economy. people are pissed off, rightly so too. People want someone who will actually do something to fix the mess we are in, and get people working again. I want a president who's going to do something radical like oh i dont know, set up a system ala the New Deal where we get millions of people back to work! Romney sure as hell wont do it, but people arent going to vote for obama either. I think people have given up on obama and are looking for something else. Problem is they are only being presented with 1 other option...Romney.

PJ_Soul

musicismylife78 wrote:

i think its romneys to lose. The anger towards obama in every sector of american society, not just republicans and tea partiers is staggering. He;s way more hated than bush ever was. Romney could hit back at obama on a million legitmate issues of where he;s been a complete and utter failure. But that wont happen. This election like every election before it, is and will be about money, corporate interests, lobbies and power. Meanwhile the country descends further into absolute chaos.

The issue of the election will be the economy. people are pissed off, rightly so too. People want someone who will actually do something to fix the mess we are in, and get people working again. I want a president who's going to do something radical like oh i dont know, set up a system ala the New Deal where we get millions of people back to work! Romney sure as hell wont do it, but people arent going to vote for obama either. I think people have given up on obama and are looking for something else. Problem is they are only being presented with 1 other option...Romney.

You might be right... but I don't think he's more hated than Bush ever was. Not by a long shot.

peacefrompaul

PJ_Soul wrote:

I can't say I'm comfortable with Iran just building nukes any old time they want! They are not the same as the US or Russia. They're actually liable to use them as bombs and not just as political leverage.

Are they? I don't think we know that for sure.

PJ_Soul

peacefrompaul wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

I can't say I'm comfortable with Iran just building nukes any old time they want! They are not the same as the US or Russia. They're actually liable to use them as bombs and not just as political leverage.

Are they? I don't think we know that for sure.

If they haven' done it already (which I bet they have), they will very soon.

EdsonNascimento

peacefrompaul wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

As in put in a transparent border? Unfortunately, I think they'd figure a way out.....

As in blowing them all to hell.

Or, what? Precision airstrike the nuclear facilities and "accidentally" kill a few hundred innocent people?

That's how you GLASS Iran?

brianlux

EdsonNascimento wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

As in put in a transparent border? Unfortunately, I think they'd figure a way out.....

As in blowing them all to hell.

Or, what? Precision airstrike the nuclear facilities and "accidentally" kill a few hundred innocent people?

That's how you GLASS Iran?

I'm trying to make sense of this post, Edson. GLASS? Let's see- blowing to hell... glass... glass blowing? I dunno.

Hey, have you been hitting the Lounge Car hard already?

peacefrompaul

A little of the video game geek inside of me just sputtered out.

peacefrompaul

EdsonNascimento wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

As in put in a transparent border? Unfortunately, I think they'd figure a way out.....

As in blowing them all to hell.

Or, what? Precision airstrike the nuclear facilities and "accidentally" kill a few hundred innocent people?

That's how you GLASS Iran?

With that being said, I am curious...

What do we do?

EdsonNascimento

brianlux wrote:

I'm trying to make sense of this post, Edson. GLASS? Let's see- blowing to hell... glass... glass blowing? I dunno.

Hey, have you been hitting the Lounge Car hard already?

I wish. Up early for sons' soccer tourneys in the morning.

Go back in the thread. I was making a lighthearted (and apparently poor) joke about a typo. Maybe, I did need the train.

EdsonNascimento

peacefrompaul wrote:

With that being said, I am curious...

What do we do?

Honestly, I don't have the answer. I don't know everything about the reasonable options due to the fact I don't have CIA operatives feeding me information. What I do know is we can't just stick our heads in the sand and pretend it does not involve us as some on this thread suggest. It would be great to live in that world, but it isn't realistic. And, by that time it's too late. I am on the big stick and hope not to have to use it side. But the details would require info you and I don't have.

peacefrompaul

EdsonNascimento wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

With that being said, I am curious...

What do we do?

Honestly, I don't have the answer. I don't know everything about the reasonable options due to the fact I don't have CIA operatives feeding me information. What I do know is we can't just stick our heads in the sand and pretend it does not involve us as some on this thread suggest. It would be great to live in that world, but it isn't realistic. And, by that time it's too late. I am on the big stick and hope not to have to use it side. But the details would require info you and I don't have.

Alllrighty.

Thanks.

brianlux

peacefrompaul wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

With that being said, I am curious...

What do we do?

Honestly, I don't have the answer. I don't know everything about the reasonable options due to the fact I don't have CIA operatives feeding me information. What I do know is we can't just stick our heads in the sand and pretend it does not involve us as some on this thread suggest. It would be great to live in that world, but it isn't realistic. And, by that time it's too late. I am on the big stick and hope not to have to use it side. But the details would require info you and I don't have.

Alllrighty.

Thanks.

"Alllrighty", Paul?

I think you'd better join Edson and me in the Lounge Car. We'll see how soccer dad does in the morning with a hangover.

peacefrompaul

brianlux wrote:

"Alllrighty", Paul?

I think you'd better join Edson and me in the Lounge Car. We'll see how soccer dad does in the morning with a hangover.

Lounging.

Commence.

PJ_Soul

peacefrompaul wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

peacefrompaul wrote:

As in blowing them all to hell.

Or, what? Precision airstrike the nuclear facilities and "accidentally" kill a few hundred innocent people?

That's how you GLASS Iran?

With that being said, I am curious...

What do we do?

Get the fuck out of the middle east and let them sink or swim, or blow themselves up. Defensive acts only. Start paying western trade market prices for oil (sorry car owners).

musicismylife78

PJ_Soul wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

i think its romneys to lose. The anger towards obama in every sector of american society, not just republicans and tea partiers is staggering. He;s way more hated than bush ever was. Romney could hit back at obama on a million legitmate issues of where he;s been a complete and utter failure. But that wont happen. This election like every election before it, is and will be about money, corporate interests, lobbies and power. Meanwhile the country descends further into absolute chaos.

The issue of the election will be the economy. people are pissed off, rightly so too. People want someone who will actually do something to fix the mess we are in, and get people working again. I want a president who's going to do something radical like oh i dont know, set up a system ala the New Deal where we get millions of people back to work! Romney sure as hell wont do it, but people arent going to vote for obama either. I think people have given up on obama and are looking for something else. Problem is they are only being presented with 1 other option...Romney.

You might be right... but I don't think he's more hated than Bush ever was. Not by a long shot.

he is more hated than bush, i guarantee it. Bush's hatred was only really every from the left. You never saw a mass exodus of right wingers coming out and bashing him, even near the end of his administration. Obama isnt popular in any sector of the populace. Right wingers and racists and teabaggers hate him. Democrats i dont think are too happy with him, and the left people like me, socialists, commies, true lefties, cant stand him either. And you have a mass of people who feel disillusioned and pissed off at him for failing to deliver and be the type of president he promised he would be in the lead up to his election.

Not to mention, we are involved in an extremely unpopular war, Obama is as militaristic as Bush is. We are still torturing people. We still have a president in office who believes, despite all rationale evidence, that democracy can be brought to the middle east and that terrorism can be eradicated with violence, Obama has done nothing to address global warming and the envrionmental crisis, Obama has done absolutely nothing in terms of race and civil rights issues in fact he could turn out to be the worst president ever in that specific aspect. Drones in how many countries now?

And as the economy couldnt be worse, and he is in office, he is percieved as responsible for it. And people will react as such. The economy will be the issue of the election, and people arent going to vote for Obama because voting for him would mean more of the same, and no one is happy with the status quo right now. Obama has done precious little to address the mass amounts of people hurting in this economy. Its shocking, and in many ways it isnt.

Obama will be viewed as exactly what he is and has been. A complete and utter failure. But he was never going to be anything other than that. The entire system is rigged and lets face it, its not like he isnt a part of it. He's a priveledged wealthy man, who is set for life monetarily.