If Iran sends a missile this way, we'll be ready. Until then, not my problem. Leave them be.
Ok, JFK.
Any other good advice?
EDIT: I could also say FDR - but that's a less direct missle reference. As in, ignoring the Holocaust until Pearl Harbor. Kind of funny that it's the Democrats that have to have the gun pointed at their heads before they get Theodore Roosevelt's sound advice. Speak Softly. Carry a Big Stick.
Speak softly and spread your influence throughout South America
I think it's their blood-hate for Jews that makes them even more nutty than that.
I'm think the US and everyone else should just butt the fuck out and leave the Middle East to deal with its own shit, but I don't choose sides over there either. EVERYONE is wrong! Israel, Palestine, Iran, the Taliban, Pakistan ... they're all fucked and they're all wrong and they will never budge. I don't support the US's support of Israel, but I don't support the Palestinians an ounce more - it's not like their stance is admirable - and certainly not Iran, who, like the Palestinians, simply wants to wipe Jews off the face of the planet, and some of them wouldn't mind taking out America while they're at it; Jihad is about religious fanaticism, and some of those Iranian politicians are pretty gung ho about Jihad ... Can't really blame Israel for being just a tad defensive, and I was never clear on why people pick a side in that conflict. I mean, I understand the anger at Israel (and the US); I have it too. But I don't get why people think that means they have to side with the Palestinians (or Iran or whoever). I think they're all equally wrong (speaking of the politicians and other involved obviously - not each individual citizen).
It's not terribly hard to see why Palestinians are mad...
And Iran has every right to build whatever they want. If they want to protect themselves, so be it. If I was the leader of Iran I would certainly be a little on the edge if I had that many bases surrounding me from a foreign country that has not been entirely friendly in the past.
Jihad is not supposed to be as crazy as it has gotten... in fact it's incredibly important to Muslims from what I have read and studied in the past.
It's the nuts that turn Jihad into something else, something it shouldn't be... extremely violent. Not every Muslim is this way, obviously.
If Iran sends a missile this way, we'll be ready. Until then, not my problem. Leave them be.
Exactly. It's the nuts who turn Jihad into something else. And they are the ones in charge.
Of course it's easy to see why the Palestinians are mad. Just as easy as it is for the Israelis. I'm just saying I don't understand why anyone feels like there is a preferable side to pick.
I can't say I'm comfortable with Iran just building nukes any old time they want! They are not the same as the US or Russia. They're actually liable to use them as bombs and not just as political leverage.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
i think its romneys to lose. The anger towards obama in every sector of american society, not just republicans and tea partiers is staggering. He;s way more hated than bush ever was. Romney could hit back at obama on a million legitmate issues of where he;s been a complete and utter failure. But that wont happen. This election like every election before it, is and will be about money, corporate interests, lobbies and power. Meanwhile the country descends further into absolute chaos.
The issue of the election will be the economy. people are pissed off, rightly so too. People want someone who will actually do something to fix the mess we are in, and get people working again. I want a president who's going to do something radical like oh i dont know, set up a system ala the New Deal where we get millions of people back to work! Romney sure as hell wont do it, but people arent going to vote for obama either. I think people have given up on obama and are looking for something else. Problem is they are only being presented with 1 other option...Romney.
i think its romneys to lose. The anger towards obama in every sector of american society, not just republicans and tea partiers is staggering. He;s way more hated than bush ever was. Romney could hit back at obama on a million legitmate issues of where he;s been a complete and utter failure. But that wont happen. This election like every election before it, is and will be about money, corporate interests, lobbies and power. Meanwhile the country descends further into absolute chaos.
The issue of the election will be the economy. people are pissed off, rightly so too. People want someone who will actually do something to fix the mess we are in, and get people working again. I want a president who's going to do something radical like oh i dont know, set up a system ala the New Deal where we get millions of people back to work! Romney sure as hell wont do it, but people arent going to vote for obama either. I think people have given up on obama and are looking for something else. Problem is they are only being presented with 1 other option...Romney.
You might be right... but I don't think he's more hated than Bush ever was. Not by a long shot.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I can't say I'm comfortable with Iran just building nukes any old time they want! They are not the same as the US or Russia. They're actually liable to use them as bombs and not just as political leverage.
I can't say I'm comfortable with Iran just building nukes any old time they want! They are not the same as the US or Russia. They're actually liable to use them as bombs and not just as political leverage.
Are they? I don't think we know that for sure.
If they haven' done it already (which I bet they have), they will very soon.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Honestly, I don't have the answer. I don't know everything about the reasonable options due to the fact I don't have CIA operatives feeding me information. What I do know is we can't just stick our heads in the sand and pretend it does not involve us as some on this thread suggest. It would be great to live in that world, but it isn't realistic. And, by that time it's too late. I am on the big stick and hope not to have to use it side. But the details would require info you and I don't have.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
Honestly, I don't have the answer. I don't know everything about the reasonable options due to the fact I don't have CIA operatives feeding me information. What I do know is we can't just stick our heads in the sand and pretend it does not involve us as some on this thread suggest. It would be great to live in that world, but it isn't realistic. And, by that time it's too late. I am on the big stick and hope not to have to use it side. But the details would require info you and I don't have.
Alllrighty.
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Honestly, I don't have the answer. I don't know everything about the reasonable options due to the fact I don't have CIA operatives feeding me information. What I do know is we can't just stick our heads in the sand and pretend it does not involve us as some on this thread suggest. It would be great to live in that world, but it isn't realistic. And, by that time it's too late. I am on the big stick and hope not to have to use it side. But the details would require info you and I don't have.
Alllrighty.
Thanks.
"Alllrighty", Paul?
I think you'd better join Edson and me in the Lounge Car. We'll see how soccer dad does in the morning with a hangover.
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Or, what? Precision airstrike the nuclear facilities and "accidentally" kill a few hundred innocent people?
That's how you GLASS Iran?
With that being said, I am curious...
What do we do?
Get the fuck out of the middle east and let them sink or swim, or blow themselves up. Defensive acts only. Start paying western trade market prices for oil (sorry car owners).
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
i think its romneys to lose. The anger towards obama in every sector of american society, not just republicans and tea partiers is staggering. He;s way more hated than bush ever was. Romney could hit back at obama on a million legitmate issues of where he;s been a complete and utter failure. But that wont happen. This election like every election before it, is and will be about money, corporate interests, lobbies and power. Meanwhile the country descends further into absolute chaos.
The issue of the election will be the economy. people are pissed off, rightly so too. People want someone who will actually do something to fix the mess we are in, and get people working again. I want a president who's going to do something radical like oh i dont know, set up a system ala the New Deal where we get millions of people back to work! Romney sure as hell wont do it, but people arent going to vote for obama either. I think people have given up on obama and are looking for something else. Problem is they are only being presented with 1 other option...Romney.
You might be right... but I don't think he's more hated than Bush ever was. Not by a long shot.
he is more hated than bush, i guarantee it. Bush's hatred was only really every from the left. You never saw a mass exodus of right wingers coming out and bashing him, even near the end of his administration. Obama isnt popular in any sector of the populace. Right wingers and racists and teabaggers hate him. Democrats i dont think are too happy with him, and the left people like me, socialists, commies, true lefties, cant stand him either. And you have a mass of people who feel disillusioned and pissed off at him for failing to deliver and be the type of president he promised he would be in the lead up to his election.
Not to mention, we are involved in an extremely unpopular war, Obama is as militaristic as Bush is. We are still torturing people. We still have a president in office who believes, despite all rationale evidence, that democracy can be brought to the middle east and that terrorism can be eradicated with violence, Obama has done nothing to address global warming and the envrionmental crisis, Obama has done absolutely nothing in terms of race and civil rights issues in fact he could turn out to be the worst president ever in that specific aspect. Drones in how many countries now?
And as the economy couldnt be worse, and he is in office, he is percieved as responsible for it. And people will react as such. The economy will be the issue of the election, and people arent going to vote for Obama because voting for him would mean more of the same, and no one is happy with the status quo right now. Obama has done precious little to address the mass amounts of people hurting in this economy. Its shocking, and in many ways it isnt.
Obama will be viewed as exactly what he is and has been. A complete and utter failure. But he was never going to be anything other than that. The entire system is rigged and lets face it, its not like he isnt a part of it. He's a priveledged wealthy man, who is set for life monetarily.
he is more hated than bush, i guarantee it. Bush's hatred was only really every from the left. You never saw a mass exodus of right wingers coming out and bashing him, even near the end of his administration. Obama isnt popular in any sector of the populace. Right wingers and racists and teabaggers hate him. Democrats i dont think are too happy with him, and the left people like me, socialists, commies, true lefties, cant stand him either. And you have a mass of people who feel disillusioned and pissed off at him for failing to deliver and be the type of president he promised he would be in the lead up to his election.
Not to mention, we are involved in an extremely unpopular war, Obama is as militaristic as Bush is. We are still torturing people. We still have a president in office who believes, despite all rationale evidence, that democracy can be brought to the middle east and that terrorism can be eradicated with violence, Obama has done nothing to address global warming and the envrionmental crisis, Obama has done absolutely nothing in terms of race and civil rights issues in fact he could turn out to be the worst president ever in that specific aspect. Drones in how many countries now?
And as the economy couldnt be worse, and he is in office, he is percieved as responsible for it. And people will react as such. The economy will be the issue of the election, and people arent going to vote for Obama because voting for him would mean more of the same, and no one is happy with the status quo right now. Obama has done precious little to address the mass amounts of people hurting in this economy. Its shocking, and in many ways it isnt.
Obama will be viewed as exactly what he is and has been. A complete and utter failure. But he was never going to be anything other than that. The entire system is rigged and lets face it, its not like he isnt a part of it. He's a priveledged wealthy man, who is set for life monetarily.
I take it he's not on your Christmas card list then?
he is more hated than bush, i guarantee it. Bush's hatred was only really every from the left. You never saw a mass exodus of right wingers coming out and bashing him, even near the end of his administration. Obama isnt popular in any sector of the populace. Right wingers and racists and teabaggers hate him. Democrats i dont think are too happy with him, and the left people like me, socialists, commies, true lefties, cant stand him either. And you have a mass of people who feel disillusioned and pissed off at him for failing to deliver and be the type of president he promised he would be in the lead up to his election.
Not to mention, we are involved in an extremely unpopular war, Obama is as militaristic as Bush is. We are still torturing people. We still have a president in office who believes, despite all rationale evidence, that democracy can be brought to the middle east and that terrorism can be eradicated with violence, Obama has done nothing to address global warming and the envrionmental crisis, Obama has done absolutely nothing in terms of race and civil rights issues in fact he could turn out to be the worst president ever in that specific aspect. Drones in how many countries now?
And as the economy couldnt be worse, and he is in office, he is percieved as responsible for it. And people will react as such. The economy will be the issue of the election, and people arent going to vote for Obama because voting for him would mean more of the same, and no one is happy with the status quo right now. Obama has done precious little to address the mass amounts of people hurting in this economy. Its shocking, and in many ways it isnt.
Obama will be viewed as exactly what he is and has been. A complete and utter failure. But he was never going to be anything other than that. The entire system is rigged and lets face it, its not like he isnt a part of it. He's a priveledged wealthy man, who is set for life monetarily.
I take it he's not on your Christmas card list then?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
i think its romneys to lose. The anger towards obama in every sector of american society, not just republicans and tea partiers is staggering. He;s way more hated than bush ever was. Romney could hit back at obama on a million legitmate issues of where he;s been a complete and utter failure. But that wont happen. This election like every election before it, is and will be about money, corporate interests, lobbies and power. Meanwhile the country descends further into absolute chaos.
The issue of the election will be the economy. people are pissed off, rightly so too. People want someone who will actually do something to fix the mess we are in, and get people working again. I want a president who's going to do something radical like oh i dont know, set up a system ala the New Deal where we get millions of people back to work! Romney sure as hell wont do it, but people arent going to vote for obama either. I think people have given up on obama and are looking for something else. Problem is they are only being presented with 1 other option...Romney.
You might be right... but I don't think he's more hated than Bush ever was. Not by a long shot.
he is more hated than bush, i guarantee it. Bush's hatred was only really every from the left. You never saw a mass exodus of right wingers coming out and bashing him, even near the end of his administration. Obama isnt popular in any sector of the populace. Right wingers and racists and teabaggers hate him. Democrats i dont think are too happy with him, and the left people like me, socialists, commies, true lefties, cant stand him either. And you have a mass of people who feel disillusioned and pissed off at him for failing to deliver and be the type of president he promised he would be in the lead up to his election.
Not to mention, we are involved in an extremely unpopular war, Obama is as militaristic as Bush is. We are still torturing people. We still have a president in office who believes, despite all rationale evidence, that democracy can be brought to the middle east and that terrorism can be eradicated with violence, Obama has done nothing to address global warming and the envrionmental crisis, Obama has done absolutely nothing in terms of race and civil rights issues in fact he could turn out to be the worst president ever in that specific aspect. Drones in how many countries now?
And as the economy couldnt be worse, and he is in office, he is percieved as responsible for it. And people will react as such. The economy will be the issue of the election, and people arent going to vote for Obama because voting for him would mean more of the same, and no one is happy with the status quo right now. Obama has done precious little to address the mass amounts of people hurting in this economy. Its shocking, and in many ways it isnt.
Obama will be viewed as exactly what he is and has been. A complete and utter failure. But he was never going to be anything other than that. The entire system is rigged and lets face it, its not like he isnt a part of it. He's a priveledged wealthy man, who is set for life monetarily.
I'd be willing to bet a CD of your choice from the PJ Shop that Obama's popular vote total will be well north of 50 million. Voter's, while disappointed in Obama , also realize that he is not solely to blame and that he inherited an economic disaster the likes of which haven't been seen since the Great Depression. Even Reaganomics didn't really kick in until 1986, with a cooperative democratic controlled congress. Republicans haven't done one thing since he was elecrted to help this nation get better. The voters are not as dumb or ill informed as some would have you believe. And they might hold their nose while pulling the lever but they will. I still think its Willard Mitt Romney'$ election to steal.
he is more hated than bush, i guarantee it. Bush's hatred was only really every from the left. You never saw a mass exodus of right wingers coming out and bashing him, even near the end of his administration. Obama isnt popular in any sector of the populace. Right wingers and racists and teabaggers hate him. Democrats i dont think are too happy with him, and the left people like me, socialists, commies, true lefties, cant stand him either. And you have a mass of people who feel disillusioned and pissed off at him for failing to deliver and be the type of president he promised he would be in the lead up to his election.
because the far right will tow the party line even if it pulls them into their own grave. the left speak their minds. to be over-generalizing, of course.
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as someone put Romney probably isn't the answer (well we know he isn't) so why vote against Obama who is still a better choice then any of the republican candidates over the last 5 years. The economy being shit didn't just happen overnight.. it was a result of The Bush years.. let's be honest and if we were all being realistic in 2008 no one could have changed the situation that much in relation to the economy, jobs or anything else for that matter. 4 years isn't very long time when you consider how badly the recension was at the end of 2008.
Obama isn't perfect but Romney isn't the answer.
Because Obama is not the better choice. The economy doesn't take 4 years. Reagan took over a much worse mess (despite what folks around these parts seem to think) and took 2 years with a divided Congress to get us back in the right direction. And before folks shit on Reagan, can we all please remember that his administration REDEFINED what "full employment" meant. Prior to him the thought was 7% unemployment was the best we could do. But, we got into the low 5's.
Romney has run a successful business, a successful international organization (Olympics) and a large State economy.
Obama had done none of that.
Please tell me how we KNOW Romney can't do it? I know how we KNOW Obama can't. I have 4 years of evidence. To the contrary, I have plenty of evidence that Romney know how to run a large economy, a large economic concern and an International operation. Can he run the US? I don't know.
The real question is, why would you not give this a chance?
If I didn't realize that Obama was sure to put us deeper in the depths, I'd hope for him to win, weather another 4 stormy years and hope that BOTH parties (and a 3rd) put up better candidates (not that either side would have that tough a job). But, I don't think we can afford that (literally and figuratively). Obama has failed in every way imaginable. It's time to stop rationalizing and Move On.
I love how you say Romney has run a "large" state economy. MA is one of the smallest states in the country. 6.5 million people in the whole state. NYC alone has more people. And may I say he did a pretty shitty job. But hey, at least we have universal health care thanks to Romney. :roll:
And the "successful" part of his business was only his own personal success. All the people that lost their jobs because of Bain Capitol added to the unemployment numbers. He became rich off of people losing their jobs. Bottom line. And when the mid-term elections were happening, the right was running on the platform of job creation. They haven't created or even thought about a job plan. But Obama is getting hammered everyday because the unemployment isn't at 0%.
ok, I get it, people hate Obama. However, I don't personally get how anyone, right or left, can be expected to turn the economy from shit to gold in 4 years. it is a MASSIVE undertaking. and mistakes are going to be made. no one can predict how the job markets are going to react to a stimulus or how the world markets are going to react to anything.
I don't care if you think Bush did it, or if fucking Eisenhower did it, the fact is the economy was in the toilet. However, I fail to see how ANYONE who can be objective and still say that Obama caused this recession. You don't think BILLIONS being spent on wars before he took office had nothing to do with it?
if you didn't like the stimulus idea, what would have been a better option?
4 years is a mere blip on the radar of time to make things even remotely better.
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ok, I get it, people hate Obama. However, I don't personally get how anyone, right or left, can be expected to turn the economy from shit to gold in 4 years. it is a MASSIVE undertaking. and mistakes are going to be made. no one can predict how the job markets are going to react to a stimulus or how the world markets are going to react to anything.
I don't care if you think Bush did it, or if fucking Eisenhower did it, the fact is the economy was in the toilet. However, I fail to see how ANYONE who can be objective and still say that Obama caused this recession. You don't think BILLIONS being spent on wars before he took office had nothing to do with it?
if you didn't like the stimulus idea, what would have been a better option?
4 years is a mere blip on the radar of time to make things even remotely better.
He actually specifically stated that he wouldn't be able to fix the horrble economy he inherited in four years before he was elected. Have people just forgotten that it wasn't going to be possible? Do they blame the European enonomic crisis on Obama too? And what about Congress's role in this?
I can't figure out why some people hate Obama. I think it's just that most people can't help but play the blame game, and Obama happens to be the easiest target for that, apparently. It seems fairly ridiculous to me.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
A widely publicized political science forecasting model by Ken Berry and Michael Bickers in Colorado projects that Romney should win big.
My take? Add it to the pile.
There are dozens of political science models. Some are good, some are bad. Some say Obama will win. Others say he will lose. Is there any reason to believe that this model is any better or worse than the others? At the very least, there’s not much reason to assume it’s any better than the competition. The press release reveals it’s predicted every election since 1980. If it hadn’t, that would be pretty embarrassing. In the eight presidential elections since 1980, six have been 7+ point blowouts in the two party vote. So all you need is a model that gets 2000 and 2004 right without missing the other six elections. Call it 2-0, in my book.
I can even prove that it’s not difficult: there are a million other political science models running around with a similar claim to accuracy over the last eight elections. And do those models point toward a clear Romney or Obama victory? In the aggregate, the political science models point toward a competitive race, but there are models showing a clear victory for either side. The Colorado model has a mirror-image counter by Drew Lizner of Emory University, who gives Obama a 99 percent chance of victory. The FiveThirtyEight model integrates economic variables and it finds Obama with a modest advantage, and so does a model built by John Sides, Lynn Vavreck, Seth Hill for the Washington Post. The famous Abramowitz “Time For a Change” model points toward an extraordinarily tight race. So, contrary to popular belief, the fundamentals do not clearly point to a victory for either side. And not only do the economic-based models show a tight race, Obama’s approval rating is at about 48 percent, which most agree is a product of fundamentals like economic performance.
Just for good measure, I have one specific issue with this particular model: it relies on different economic metrics for Democrats and Republicans. I won't dismiss the possibility that voters judge Democrats and Republicans by different economic standards, but it is highly suspect, at least in my judgment, to assume that the public responds differently to the parties based on so few elections. We only have a handful of post-war presidential elections and it's already tough to make highly confident models based on all the available data in the first place, let alone when you start treating half of the elections differently.
Do economic factors point toward a decisive Romney victory? Such a win is possible, but the fundamentals-based models point toward a close race. For every model showing Romney in the lead, there's a model going the other direction and there's no reason to presume that yesterday's model will prove any more accurate than its pro-Obama counterparts.
The economy doesn't take 4 years. Reagan took over a much worse mess (despite what folks around these parts seem to think) and took 2 years with a divided Congress to get us back in the right direction.
Can we start a new thread on this?
You ignore the AMT for a while, then come on the forum to check out reviews and the setlist for Made in America, then head on over to AMT and have to see a statement like this.....................
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Sure. Shall we glass Iran instead?
As in put in a transparent border? Unfortunately, I think they'd figure a way out.....
Speak softly and spread your influence throughout South America
As in blowing them all to hell.
Or, what? Precision airstrike the nuclear facilities and "accidentally" kill a few hundred innocent people?
Of course it's easy to see why the Palestinians are mad. Just as easy as it is for the Israelis. I'm just saying I don't understand why anyone feels like there is a preferable side to pick.
I can't say I'm comfortable with Iran just building nukes any old time they want! They are not the same as the US or Russia. They're actually liable to use them as bombs and not just as political leverage.
The issue of the election will be the economy. people are pissed off, rightly so too. People want someone who will actually do something to fix the mess we are in, and get people working again. I want a president who's going to do something radical like oh i dont know, set up a system ala the New Deal where we get millions of people back to work! Romney sure as hell wont do it, but people arent going to vote for obama either. I think people have given up on obama and are looking for something else. Problem is they are only being presented with 1 other option...Romney.
Are they? I don't think we know that for sure.
That's how you GLASS Iran?
I'm trying to make sense of this post, Edson. GLASS? Let's see- blowing to hell... glass... glass blowing? I dunno.
Hey, have you been hitting the Lounge Car hard already?
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
With that being said, I am curious...
What do we do?
Go back in the thread. I was making a lighthearted (and apparently poor) joke about a typo. Maybe, I did need the train.
Honestly, I don't have the answer. I don't know everything about the reasonable options due to the fact I don't have CIA operatives feeding me information. What I do know is we can't just stick our heads in the sand and pretend it does not involve us as some on this thread suggest. It would be great to live in that world, but it isn't realistic. And, by that time it's too late. I am on the big stick and hope not to have to use it side. But the details would require info you and I don't have.
Alllrighty.
Thanks.
"Alllrighty", Paul?
I think you'd better join Edson and me in the Lounge Car. We'll see how soccer dad does in the morning with a hangover.
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Lounging.
Commence.
he is more hated than bush, i guarantee it. Bush's hatred was only really every from the left. You never saw a mass exodus of right wingers coming out and bashing him, even near the end of his administration. Obama isnt popular in any sector of the populace. Right wingers and racists and teabaggers hate him. Democrats i dont think are too happy with him, and the left people like me, socialists, commies, true lefties, cant stand him either. And you have a mass of people who feel disillusioned and pissed off at him for failing to deliver and be the type of president he promised he would be in the lead up to his election.
Not to mention, we are involved in an extremely unpopular war, Obama is as militaristic as Bush is. We are still torturing people. We still have a president in office who believes, despite all rationale evidence, that democracy can be brought to the middle east and that terrorism can be eradicated with violence, Obama has done nothing to address global warming and the envrionmental crisis, Obama has done absolutely nothing in terms of race and civil rights issues in fact he could turn out to be the worst president ever in that specific aspect. Drones in how many countries now?
And as the economy couldnt be worse, and he is in office, he is percieved as responsible for it. And people will react as such. The economy will be the issue of the election, and people arent going to vote for Obama because voting for him would mean more of the same, and no one is happy with the status quo right now. Obama has done precious little to address the mass amounts of people hurting in this economy. Its shocking, and in many ways it isnt.
Obama will be viewed as exactly what he is and has been. A complete and utter failure. But he was never going to be anything other than that. The entire system is rigged and lets face it, its not like he isnt a part of it. He's a priveledged wealthy man, who is set for life monetarily.
I take it he's not on your Christmas card list then?
I'd be willing to bet a CD of your choice from the PJ Shop that Obama's popular vote total will be well north of 50 million. Voter's, while disappointed in Obama , also realize that he is not solely to blame and that he inherited an economic disaster the likes of which haven't been seen since the Great Depression. Even Reaganomics didn't really kick in until 1986, with a cooperative democratic controlled congress. Republicans haven't done one thing since he was elecrted to help this nation get better. The voters are not as dumb or ill informed as some would have you believe. And they might hold their nose while pulling the lever but they will. I still think its Willard Mitt Romney'$ election to steal.
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because the far right will tow the party line even if it pulls them into their own grave. the left speak their minds. to be over-generalizing, of course.
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I love how you say Romney has run a "large" state economy.
And the "successful" part of his business was only his own personal success. All the people that lost their jobs because of Bain Capitol added to the unemployment numbers. He became rich off of people losing their jobs. Bottom line. And when the mid-term elections were happening, the right was running on the platform of job creation. They haven't created or even thought about a job plan. But Obama is getting hammered everyday because the unemployment isn't at 0%.
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5/17/10 Boston, 10/15/13 Worcester, 10/16/13 Worcester, 10/25/13 Hartford
8/5/16 Fenway, 8/7/16 Fenway
EV Solo: 6/16/11 Boston, 6/18/11 Hartford,
I don't care if you think Bush did it, or if fucking Eisenhower did it, the fact is the economy was in the toilet. However, I fail to see how ANYONE who can be objective and still say that Obama caused this recession. You don't think BILLIONS being spent on wars before he took office had nothing to do with it?
if you didn't like the stimulus idea, what would have been a better option?
4 years is a mere blip on the radar of time to make things even remotely better.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I can't figure out why some people hate Obama. I think it's just that most people can't help but play the blame game, and Obama happens to be the easiest target for that, apparently. It seems fairly ridiculous to me.
http://www.tnr.com/blog/electionate/106 ... y-will-win
A widely publicized political science forecasting model by Ken Berry and Michael Bickers in Colorado projects that Romney should win big.
My take? Add it to the pile.
There are dozens of political science models. Some are good, some are bad. Some say Obama will win. Others say he will lose. Is there any reason to believe that this model is any better or worse than the others? At the very least, there’s not much reason to assume it’s any better than the competition. The press release reveals it’s predicted every election since 1980. If it hadn’t, that would be pretty embarrassing. In the eight presidential elections since 1980, six have been 7+ point blowouts in the two party vote. So all you need is a model that gets 2000 and 2004 right without missing the other six elections. Call it 2-0, in my book.
I can even prove that it’s not difficult: there are a million other political science models running around with a similar claim to accuracy over the last eight elections. And do those models point toward a clear Romney or Obama victory? In the aggregate, the political science models point toward a competitive race, but there are models showing a clear victory for either side. The Colorado model has a mirror-image counter by Drew Lizner of Emory University, who gives Obama a 99 percent chance of victory. The FiveThirtyEight model integrates economic variables and it finds Obama with a modest advantage, and so does a model built by John Sides, Lynn Vavreck, Seth Hill for the Washington Post. The famous Abramowitz “Time For a Change” model points toward an extraordinarily tight race. So, contrary to popular belief, the fundamentals do not clearly point to a victory for either side. And not only do the economic-based models show a tight race, Obama’s approval rating is at about 48 percent, which most agree is a product of fundamentals like economic performance.
Just for good measure, I have one specific issue with this particular model: it relies on different economic metrics for Democrats and Republicans. I won't dismiss the possibility that voters judge Democrats and Republicans by different economic standards, but it is highly suspect, at least in my judgment, to assume that the public responds differently to the parties based on so few elections. We only have a handful of post-war presidential elections and it's already tough to make highly confident models based on all the available data in the first place, let alone when you start treating half of the elections differently.
Do economic factors point toward a decisive Romney victory? Such a win is possible, but the fundamentals-based models point toward a close race. For every model showing Romney in the lead, there's a model going the other direction and there's no reason to presume that yesterday's model will prove any more accurate than its pro-Obama counterparts.
Can we start a new thread on this?
You ignore the AMT for a while, then come on the forum to check out reviews and the setlist for Made in America, then head on over to AMT and have to see a statement like this.....................
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."