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unsung
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edited August 2012 in A Moving Train
THIS IS OBAMA'S AMERICA.



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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    unsung wrote:
    THIS IS OBAMA'S AMERICA.



    http://c.washingtontimes.com/neighborho ... ook-posts/


    it seems he is being released....

    with that said, this fella looks to be nuts...
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,431
    unsung wrote:
    THIS IS OBAMA'S AMERICA.



    http://c.washingtontimes.com/neighborho ... ook-posts/
    so you don't think that this would have happened had facebook been what it is now back in 2003?

    you really think bush, ashcroft, and cheney would have been any different?

    this site and forum was monitored, so you can bet that facebook would have been too...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • inlet13
    inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    THIS IS OBAMA'S AMERICA.



    http://c.washingtontimes.com/neighborho ... ook-posts/
    so you don't think that this would have happened had facebook been what it is now back in 2003?

    you really think bush, ashcroft, and cheney would have been any different?

    this site and forum was monitored, so you can bet that facebook would have been too...


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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,431
    inlet13 wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    so you don't think that this would have happened had facebook been what it is now back in 2003?

    you really think bush, ashcroft, and cheney would have been any different?

    this site and forum was monitored, so you can bet that facebook would have been too...


    pom-poms.
    troll.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • EdsonNascimento
    EdsonNascimento Posts: 5,531
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    THIS IS OBAMA'S AMERICA.



    http://c.washingtontimes.com/neighborho ... ook-posts/
    so you don't think that this would have happened had facebook been what it is now back in 2003?

    you really think bush, ashcroft, and cheney would have been any different?

    this site and forum was monitored, so you can bet that facebook would have been too...

    I love this. This is like when my 8 year old complains that he's getting in trouble for something his brother would have done.

    Why is it every time Obama is criticized your immediate reaction is - Bush WOULD have done that, too. First - who cares? Not relevant, as the OP did not say Bush is better than Obama as a premise. Second, even if he did - Bush is not up for re-election. Third - woulda, coulda, shoulda. How do you know? I say Obama would have invaded Iraq just as Bush did. The only difference is my evidence is that Obama basically followed the Bush plan of exit from Iraq. So, one could more readily extrapolate that his entire policy toward Iraq from the beginning would have been the same since his exit strategy was basically the same than that Bush would have done something that Obama did even though you admit the very tool in question wasn't even a plausible option at the time, so there's no direct extrapalatory measure.

    You should change your screen name to redherring27.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    this B. Raub looks to be a nut...I wonder if there is more to this story...the link provided seems one-sided...

    anyhoo, isn't that what this discussion is about...or are we still blowing bush and showing him some much needed love...
  • Better Dan
    Better Dan Posts: 5,684
    EdsonNascimento wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    THIS IS OBAMA'S AMERICA.



    http://c.washingtontimes.com/neighborho ... ook-posts/
    so you don't think that this would have happened had facebook been what it is now back in 2003?

    you really think bush, ashcroft, and cheney would have been any different?

    this site and forum was monitored, so you can bet that facebook would have been too...

    I love this. This is like when my 8 year old complains that he's getting in trouble for something his brother would have done.

    Why is it every time Obama is criticized your immediate reaction is - Bush WOULD have done that, too. First - who cares? Not relevant, as the OP did not say Bush is better than Obama as a premise. Second, even if he did - Bush is not up for re-election. Third - woulda, coulda, shoulda. How do you know? I say Obama would have invaded Iraq just as Bush did. The only difference is my evidence is that Obama basically followed the Bush plan of exit from Iraq. So, one could more readily extrapolate that his entire policy toward Iraq from the beginning would have been the same since his exit strategy was basically the same than that Bush would have done something that Obama did even though you admit the very tool in question wasn't even a plausible option at the time, so there's no direct extrapalatory measure.

    You should change your screen name to redherring27.

    While I generally agree with gimme's views I agree with Edson here. Any mention of Bush is irrelevant. We're talking about what actually happened this weekend, not what may have happened had Bush been president. It's the same thing that ticked me off when Bush was president and a democrat would point to something that Bush did followed by a republican pointing out things things that Clinton did. Bush is no longer president..let it go..we have to focus on the present and the future...not keep blaming the previous guy for mistakes we can't go back and change. How can there ever be meaningful dialog if people can't admit that "their guy" isn't doing everything right either and instead start talking about somethign irrelevant?
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    "Without a warrant or recitation of his Miranda rights, Raub was handcuffed and taken into custody." ????? really ? that's scary in anybodys book that the FBI can arrest you without a warrent or reading you your miranda rights...and before anybody says anything like he wassn't arrested..being taken into custody aginst your will is arrest,someone screwed the pooch on this one :shock:

    Godfather.
  • Better Dan
    Better Dan Posts: 5,684
    Godfather. wrote:
    "Without a warrant or recitation of his Miranda rights, Raub was handcuffed and taken into custody." ????? really ? that's scary in anybodys book that the FBI can arrest you without a warrent or reading you your miranda rights...and before anybody says anything like he wassn't arrested..being taken into custody aginst your will is arrest,someone screwed the pooch on this one :shock:

    Godfather.


    Yeah, it's very frightening.
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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    did I just hear someone get spanked ?....I love this place. :lol:

    Godfather.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Godfather. wrote:
    "Without a warrant or recitation of his Miranda rights, Raub was handcuffed and taken into custody." ????? really ? that's scary in anybodys book that the FBI can arrest you without a warrent or reading you your miranda rights...and before anybody says anything like he wassn't arrested..being taken into custody aginst your will is arrest,someone screwed the pooch on this one :shock:

    Godfather.

    if the article is true and they did not have a warrant read him his rights, then I agree with you....

    there just seems to be more to the story....
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Better Dan wrote:


    While I generally agree with gimme's views I agree with Edson here. Any mention of Bush is irrelevant. We're talking about what actually happened this weekend, not what may have happened had Bush been president. It's the same thing that ticked me off when Bush was president and a democrat would point to something that Bush did followed by a republican pointing out things things that Clinton did. Bush is no longer president..let it go..we have to focus on the present and the future...not keep blaming the previous guy for mistakes we can't go back and change. How can there ever be meaningful dialog if people can't admit that "their guy" isn't doing everything right either and instead start talking about somethign irrelevant?

    yet it's OK to blame O-bama for this arrest...interesting...

    I do find it amusing that folks tend to forget that bush was ever President and lose there shit when he is mentioned...
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    inmytree wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    "Without a warrant or recitation of his Miranda rights, Raub was handcuffed and taken into custody." ????? really ? that's scary in anybodys book that the FBI can arrest you without a warrent or reading you your miranda rights...and before anybody says anything like he wassn't arrested..being taken into custody aginst your will is arrest,someone screwed the pooch on this one :shock:

    Godfather.

    if the article is true and they did not have a warrant read him his rights, then I agree with you....

    there just seems to be more to the story....

    well the fact that this Raub guy posted a threat of violence on facebook wassn't so great either and I would have to agree with you on this "more to the story" is it possible Raub was on a watch list already for other activitys or threats ???
    still the bust was bad and Raub will walk in court of law I would think.

    Godfather.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    Godfather. wrote:

    well the fact that this Raub guy posted a threat of violence on facebook wassn't so great either and I would have to agree with you on this "more to the story" is it possible Raub was on a watch list already for other activitys or threats ???
    still the bust was bad and Raub will walk in court of law I would think.

    Godfather.

    yup....I read that he's to be released....not sure of much else...

    did look at is Facebook page....he's a scary SOB, methinks...
  • BinauralJam
    BinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    I just like to point out that our government has always done this, the C.I.A. would do anything and everything it had to do too anyone or anything, it used to be clandestine, now it's legal.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,674
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    THIS IS OBAMA'S AMERICA.



    http://c.washingtontimes.com/neighborho ... ook-posts/
    so you don't think that this would have happened had facebook been what it is now back in 2003?

    you really think bush, ashcroft, and cheney would have been any different?

    this site and forum was monitored, so you can bet that facebook would have been too...

    The no Miranda rights thing sucks but, yeah, I agree- this is not just a "current administration" thing. To classify it as such is just wrong.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,431
    Godfather. wrote:
    "Without a warrant or recitation of his Miranda rights, Raub was handcuffed and taken into custody." ????? really ? that's scary in anybodys book that the FBI can arrest you without a warrent or reading you your miranda rights...and before anybody says anything like he wassn't arrested..being taken into custody aginst your will is arrest,someone screwed the pooch on this one :shock:

    Godfather.
    this is what happens when we militarize the police...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,431
    Godfather. wrote:
    well the fact that this Raub guy posted a threat of violence on facebook wassn't so great either and I would have to agree with you on this "more to the story" is it possible Raub was on a watch list already for other activitys or threats ???
    still the bust was bad and Raub will walk in court of law I would think.

    Godfather.
    do you think that people might be hypersensitive given the frequency of mass violence and shootings that we have these days?

    if this guy had posted this, and everyone let it go as the raving of a lunatic and he went and hatchet chopped a group of kids, the same people would be complaining that nothing was done when all of the hints were there...

    you can not have it both ways...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    "Without a warrant or recitation of his Miranda rights, Raub was handcuffed and taken into custody." ????? really ? that's scary in anybodys book that the FBI can arrest you without a warrent or reading you your miranda rights...and before anybody says anything like he wassn't arrested..being taken into custody aginst your will is arrest,someone screwed the pooch on this one :shock:

    Godfather.
    this is what happens when we militarize the police...

    I'm waiting for a law suit to be files on Raubs behalf, if the arrest details are true it's a slam dunk !

    Godfather.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,431
    brianlux wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    THIS IS OBAMA'S AMERICA.



    http://c.washingtontimes.com/neighborho ... ook-posts/
    so you don't think that this would have happened had facebook been what it is now back in 2003?

    you really think bush, ashcroft, and cheney would have been any different?

    this site and forum was monitored, so you can bet that facebook would have been too...

    The no Miranda rights thing sucks but, yeah, I agree- this is not just a "current administration" thing. To classify it as such is just wrong.
    i could be wrong, but i thought i read somewhere that the reading of the miranda rights is no longer required. i thought i read about a court case that ruled that about a year ago. maybe 2. i don't know if it applied to state or federal laws and crimes...has anyone read that or am i crazy?
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."

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