Thank you Todd Akin, Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney

Johnny Abruzzo

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-repugnant-code-behind-todd-akins-words/2012/08/20/7e91ed12-eb08-11e1-a80b-9f898562d010_story.html?hpid=z4

Earlier this year, every House Republican and 16 Democrats voted for a bill that would have rewritten the rape exception in federal abortion funding bans by inserting the phrase “forcible rape,” words eerily similar to Mr. Akin’s notion of “legitimate rape.” Among the 227 co-sponsors was Rep. Paul Ryan, now Mitt Romney’s running mate. The bill never made it to the Senate floor; let’s hope the same will be said for Mr. Akin and his unacceptable views.

josevolution

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-repugnant-code-behind-todd-akins-words/2012/08/20/7e91ed12-eb08-11e1-a80b-9f898562d010_story.html?hpid=z4

Earlier this year, every House Republican and 16 Democrats voted for a bill that would have rewritten the rape exception in federal abortion funding bans by inserting the phrase “forcible rape,” words eerily similar to Mr. Akin’s notion of “legitimate rape.” Among the 227 co-sponsors was Rep. Paul Ryan, now Mitt Romney’s running mate. The bill never made it to the Senate floor; let’s hope the same will be said for Mr. Akin and his unacceptable views.

Exactly this ^^^ This is the GOP party as we know it today that includes Romney & Ryan ....

pandora

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

pandora wrote:

Now lets get back to the real issue of the campaign not the diversions,
what are the candidates going to do about the economy?

You don't think that forcing you to carry your rapist's fetus to term is a "real issue?"

I find it very sad that your vote is equal to that of... People.

Is this law? Will this ever be law... no it won't :fp:
in fact what might eventually be law could be the exact opposite,
that fact makes me very sad.
Vote to keep individual rights, the right to choose how you live your life,
vote for freedom.

pandora

Jeanwah wrote:

pandora wrote:

Who's afraid of the big bad extremists?

Not me they are seen for what they are and common sense will prevail.
It almost seems like the extreme issues,
those of the extremists are meant to divide our country when in fact
the majority can be brought together through them.

Now lets get back to the real issue of the campaign not the diversions,
what are the candidates going to do about the economy?

What has our President not been able to accomplish in one term?
and will four more make a difference or should we go for a new
strategy?

Those who vote down party lines only will not be asking these questions,
for me that is a mild form extremism.

How about instead of attempting to go off topic, we stay on topic and that would be about the Republicans...

Are you afraid to speak of Democrat extremists?
The main point of my post is to bring up the point of the diversion this is from
issues affecting the American public.
I did not mean to say anyone should address those questions I raised
just pointing out this situation is a diversion

Being an independent all extremists seem ridiculous to me.

pandora

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

pandora wrote:

Who's afraid of the big bad extremists?

We all should be very afraid of them when they win elections and put their extremist views into law.

Such as Paul Ryan's Extreme Budget.

Tell me about the extreme laws that have recently been passed, brought by extremists,
both parties.
Then I can better understand your point.

I don't think Ryan's budget is law as is nor will it be so if elected.

Johnny Abruzzo

pandora wrote:

I don't think Ryan's budget is law as is nor will it be so if elected.

It only isn't law because Republicans don't control the presidency or Senate. It was an official submitted bill. These things are much closer to reality than you want to believe.

I disagree with extreme Democratic measures too, such as the NYC banning of sodas over 16 oz and denying permits to Chick-fil-a's in Boston, Chicago & San Francisco. I am a moderate. Unfortunately, moderates have no place anywhere near the Republican Party, as Willard found out before he took all his positions and changed them to suit this stark reality.

pandora

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

pandora wrote:

I don't think Ryan's budget is law as is nor will it be so if elected.

It only isn't law because Republicans don't control the presidency or Senate. It was an official submitted bill. These things are much closer to reality than you want to believe.

I disagree with extreme Democratic measures too, such as the NYC banning of sodas over 16 oz and denying permits to Chick-fil-a's in Boston, Chicago & San Francisco. I am a moderate. Unfortunately, moderates have no place anywhere near the Republican Party, as Willard found out before he took all his positions and changed them to suit this stark reality.

I will study the budget further ...
although I did see some of the accusations about the bill from the blue side
were inaccurate or untruths.

I disagree about being Independent and should not lean to the right at all,
I think that comes down to core beliefs and what you feel would help the country.

Myself I want a new party called the freedom party that preserves our rights
that may in the future sneakily disappear. This is what is right for the American people,
our rights and I think most can make the right choice too when given the right information.

Johnny Abruzzo

pandora wrote:

I disagree about being Independent and should not lean to the right at all,
I think that comes down to core beliefs and what you feel would help the country.

I'm confused - what are you saying? Are you disagreeing that I'm independent?

comebackgirl

cincybearcat wrote:

Please tell me how what Akin said means anything about Ryan and Romney.

And I gotta admit, I'm anti-abortion. Rape is the situation that really tests your moral beliefs on it. I mean, if you are ok with abortion when a rape occurs why aren't you for it other times? If you are against it because it's killing a life, then how could you be ok with killing an innocent life? But then, how could you make a woman carry a reminder of the horrific attack? Honestly, tough for me to wrap my head around. I know its easy for those that are ok with abortion in most or all cases, but not me.

I hear you on this. While I am pro-choice, I would love nothing more than to one day live in a world where abortion is non-existent because unplanned pregnancies are non-existant.

What angers me about this whole issue is the attitudes expressed by Akin and those that share his views about rape. The estimates are that 1 in 4 women will be raped in her lifetime. If you have a mom, a wife, 2 daughters, chances are that one of them will be raped. I struggle with not only the fact that someone could do what they wish to my body without my consent, but that they can hijack my DNA and my uterus and force me to carry a life that I did not choose to create. This is the very reason rape is used as a weapon of war. This is the reason that rape is used as a part of domestic violence. I think maybe we need to be more outraged by THAT. Much more focus needs to be put on primary prevention, compassion and understanding for survivors. One thing I know about trauma treatment is that when someone has been raped and had the power over her very body taken away, the most important thing is to focus on empowerment. She makes choices about who to tell, how to proceed. To take her power away again by telling her she has no choice but to carry a fetus for 9 months and then go through childbirth (something that can be difficult under the best of circumstance) is unfathomable to me. Having the choice makes all the difference.

JOEJOEJOE

What would Akin's daughter tell her child if he/she was born as a result of rape:

"I was raped fair and square..it was a legitimate rape, but my body was unable to shut things down, so here were are!...win some lose some, eh?"

blackredyellow

comebackgirl wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Please tell me how what Akin said means anything about Ryan and Romney.

And I gotta admit, I'm anti-abortion. Rape is the situation that really tests your moral beliefs on it. I mean, if you are ok with abortion when a rape occurs why aren't you for it other times? If you are against it because it's killing a life, then how could you be ok with killing an innocent life? But then, how could you make a woman carry a reminder of the horrific attack? Honestly, tough for me to wrap my head around. I know its easy for those that are ok with abortion in most or all cases, but not me.

I hear you on this. While I am pro-choice, I would love nothing more than to one day live in a world where abortion is non-existent because unplanned pregnancies are non-existant.

What angers me about this whole issue is the attitudes expressed by Akin and those that share his views about rape. The estimates are that 1 in 4 women will be raped in her lifetime. If you have a mom, a wife, 2 daughters, chances are that one of them will be raped. I struggle with not only the fact that someone could do what they wish to my body without my consent, but that they can hijack my DNA and my uterus and force me to carry a life that I did not choose to create. This is the very reason rape is used as a weapon of war. This is the reason that rape is used as a part of domestic violence. I think maybe we need to be more outraged by THAT. Much more focus needs to be put on primary prevention, compassion and understanding for survivors. One thing I know about trauma treatment is that when someone has been raped and had the power over her very body taken away, the most important thing is to focus on empowerment. She makes choices about who to tell, how to proceed. To take her power away again by telling her she has no choice but to carry a fetus for 9 months and then go through childbirth (something that can be difficult under the best of circumstance) is unfathomable to me. Having the choice makes all the difference.

I agree with that... and when you have legislation proposed (and right wing talking heads) using the term "forceful rape", it makes my head explode. What the hell is the definition of that and how does it differ from other types of rape?

comebackgirl

blackredyellow wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Please tell me how what Akin said means anything about Ryan and Romney.

And I gotta admit, I'm anti-abortion. Rape is the situation that really tests your moral beliefs on it. I mean, if you are ok with abortion when a rape occurs why aren't you for it other times? If you are against it because it's killing a life, then how could you be ok with killing an innocent life? But then, how could you make a woman carry a reminder of the horrific attack? Honestly, tough for me to wrap my head around. I know its easy for those that are ok with abortion in most or all cases, but not me.

I hear you on this. While I am pro-choice, I would love nothing more than to one day live in a world where abortion is non-existent because unplanned pregnancies are non-existant.

What angers me about this whole issue is the attitudes expressed by Akin and those that share his views about rape. The estimates are that 1 in 4 women will be raped in her lifetime. If you have a mom, a wife, 2 daughters, chances are that one of them will be raped. I struggle with not only the fact that someone could do what they wish to my body without my consent, but that they can hijack my DNA and my uterus and force me to carry a life that I did not choose to create. This is the very reason rape is used as a weapon of war. This is the reason that rape is used as a part of domestic violence. I think maybe we need to be more outraged by THAT. Much more focus needs to be put on primary prevention, compassion and understanding for survivors. One thing I know about trauma treatment is that when someone has been raped and had the power over her very body taken away, the most important thing is to focus on empowerment. She makes choices about who to tell, how to proceed. To take her power away again by telling her she has no choice but to carry a fetus for 9 months and then go through childbirth (something that can be difficult under the best of circumstance) is unfathomable to me. Having the choice makes all the difference.

I agree with that... and when you have legislation proposed (and right wing talking heads) using the term "forceful rape", it makes my head explode. What the hell is the definition of that and how does it differ from other types of rape?

My head is exploding too. A violation oft body is a violation of my body, regardless of the method used to void my consent

Jason P

blackredyellow wrote:

I agree with that... and when you have legislation proposed (and right wing talking heads) using the term "forceful rape", it makes my head explode. What the hell is the definition of that and how does it differ from other types of rape?

How many girls in your freshman and sophomore HS class dated seniors? Do the math and you found the differ.

comebackgirl

Jason P wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

I agree with that... and when you have legislation proposed (and right wing talking heads) using the term "forceful rape", it makes my head explode. What the hell is the definition of that and how does it differ from other types of rape?

How many girls in your freshman and sophomore HS class dated seniors? Do the math and you found the differ.

In my state that would be completely legal unless the guy had been held back once or twice (to date the freshman - would most likely be completely legal regardless to date the sophomore). Depending on where birthdays fall, he might even be able to legally have sex with an 8th grader...and yeah...I think that's a problem.

puremagic

cincybearcat wrote:

Please tell me how what Akin said means anything about Ryan and Romney.

There’s no separation of policy or agendas between Akin, Rand and Romney, they are all linked. Akin’s stands for the same things as Rand and Romney. Akin and Rand co sponsored H.R. 212 on Personhood. Their agenda is

-No abortions for any reason
-Pass a national Personhood law, life the moment a guy lets loose.
-Get rid of Planned Parenthood
-Get rid of Family Planning
-Reduce Medicaid/Medicare to a voucher program
-Privatize Social Security

Akin’s mistake was that he trumped Bob McDonald’s convention agenda by outlining how these extremists arrived at the definition of ‘personhood’ opening the eyes of America as to just how radical they have become.

Now the country will be watching to see if it gets put on the agenda at their Convention.

As to Mitt Romney, he too believes in all of the above, but he didn’t and couldn’t call for Akin’s resignation when the guy he selected for VP not only supports the same viewpoint as Akin, they co sponsored the Bill on Personhood. Romney is always pretending that he is out of the loop, that he has to check and get back to people – awake the hell up people, Romney is never out of the loop, everything he does is scripted, he writes the script and he approves the scripts of his inner circle. Romney knew about Rand's policy and viewpoints and he still named him as VP.

josevolution

puremagic wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

Please tell me how what Akin said means anything about Ryan and Romney.

There’s no separation of policy or agendas between Akin, Rand and Romney, they are all linked. Akin’s stands for the same things as Rand and Romney. Akin and Rand co sponsored H.R. 212 on Personhood. Their agenda is

-No abortions for any reason
-Pass a national Personhood law, life the moment a guy lets loose.
-Get rid of Planned Parenthood
-Get rid of Family Planning
-Reduce Medicaid/Medicare to a voucher program
-Privatize Social Security

Akin’s mistake was that he trumped Bob McDonald’s convention agenda by outlining how these extremists arrived at the definition of ‘personhood’ opening the eyes of America as to just how radical they have become.

Now the country will be watching to see if it gets put on the agenda at their Convention.

As to Mitt Romney, he too believes in all of the above, but he didn’t and couldn’t call for Akin’s resignation when the guy he selected for VP not only supports the same viewpoint as Akin, they co sponsored the Bill on Personhood. Romney is always pretending that he is out of the loop, that he has to check and get back to people – awake the hell up people, Romney is never out of the loop, everything he does is scripted, he writes the script and he approves the scripts of his inner circle. Romney knew about Rand's policy and viewpoints and he still named him as VP.

Yes they are all for the same things & it's Ryan for VP

Karmaholic1

cincybearcat wrote:

Please tell me how what Akin said means anything about Ryan and Romney.

And I gotta admit, I'm anti-abortion. Rape is the situation that really tests your moral beliefs on it. I mean, if you are ok with abortion when a rape occurs why aren't you for it other times? If you are against it because it's killing a life, then how could you be ok with killing an innocent life? But then, how could you make a woman carry a reminder of the horrific attack? Honestly, tough for me to wrap my head around. I know its easy for those that are ok with abortion in most or all cases, but not me.

Akin and Ryan are both co-sponsors of the Fetal Personhood Bill H.R. 212,introducted in Jan. 2011--that's how what Akin said means something about Ryan. The bill effectively criminalizes abortion.

JOEJOEJOE

Hallmark would love a National Personhood law....everyone would start giving mother's day/father's day cards to all those expecting a baby.

Prince Of Dorkness

cincybearcat wrote:

Please tell me how what Akin said means anything about Ryan and Romney.

Akin and Ryan co-sponsored an abortion bill together. They have almost exactly the same position, just Ryan hasn't told us if he believes that women's vaginas have a magic "shut off" switch.

BinauralJam

Bill Maher
Akin on rape:'the female body has ways to try and shut the whole thing down'. Today he's claiming the medical term for that is "Pussy Riot"