Jewish Settler Attacks = Terrorism

JK18472

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YzCAqXrBGtU

Byrnzie

JK18472 said:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YzCAqXrBGtU

I'll watch this when you tell me what it is, and why you posted it.

Byrnzie

BETHLEHEM (Ma'an) -- Video footage emerged Thursday of Israeli border police brutally beating a [15 year old] Palestinian unconscious in the Jerusalem neighborhood of Shufat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDENWwEDGr4#t=71

http://maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=710148
A Palestinian-American teen who was beaten, badly injured, and detained by undercover Israeli police officers in Jerusalem on Thursday is set to be tried Sunday, a rights group said.

Tarek Abu Khdeir, 15, was beaten in the Shufat neighborhood at around 8 p.m. by Israeli police in the yard of his uncle's home and arrested without charges, Addameer said on its website Friday.

The boy was taken to a police station following the beating, and police delayed treatment of his wounds until 1:20 a.m., when he was taken to Hadassa Hospital.

His family was not permitted to see Tarek until he was hospitalized, the rights group said.



His detention has been extended until Sunday morning, when a hearing will be held at the Court of First Instances in Jerusalem.

The teen is a student at Universal Academy of Florida high school in Tampa, local news website 10 News reported.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations called on the US State Department to secure Tarek's release, the report said.

Tarek is one of 11 Palestinians who were beaten and arrested in the neighborhood on Thursday, Addameer said.

gimmesometruth27

gimmesometruth27

the above post is something that the supporters of the occupation and settlement construction and expansion need to be keenly aware of...

yosi

JK18472 said:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YzCAqXrBGtU

Interesting video. She gets a bit whacky towards the end when she starts bringing religion into it (I'm an atheist, so I'm uncomfortable whenever people talk about divine plans), but it's certainly a unique perspective from a pretty brave woman.

yosi

gimmesometruth27 said:

I agree.

badbrains

Here's more on the US citizen beaten by Israeli police-

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/06/world/meast/jerusalem-u-s--teen-beaten/index.html?c=&page=3

Here's the best quote from the piece. Stunning really....

Palestinians have long complained of rough treatment by the Israeli police and double standards when it comes to justice, said Bill van Esveld of Human Rights Watch.

"The concern is that we've got plenty of evidence that this child of 15 was brutally beaten by Israeli law enforcement," van Esveld told CNN. "And instead of the law enforcement officials responsible for the beating being questioned and detained, the child who is the victim is being questioned and detained."

Amazing, truly in 2014 this is STILL happening in Palestine.

Bentleyspop

badbrains said:

Here's more on the US citizen beaten by Israeli police-

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/06/world/meast/jerusalem-u-s--teen-beaten/index.html?c=&page=3

Here's the best quote from the piece. Stunning really....

Palestinians have long complained of rough treatment by the Israeli police and double standards when it comes to justice, said Bill van Esveld of Human Rights Watch.

"The concern is that we've got plenty of evidence that this child of 15 was brutally beaten by Israeli law enforcement," van Esveld told CNN. "And instead of the law enforcement officials responsible for the beating being questioned and detained, the child who is the victim is being questioned and detained."

Amazing, truly in 2014 this is STILL happening in Palestine.

They weren't beating him.






They were harvesting his organs!!!

gimmesometruth27

surprised the police involved were not given a promotion...

let's see how obama handles this one.

he traded 5 people for a soldier who apparently went awol. here we have an american teenager who was savagely beaten for no reason by israeli police. this is a chance for obama to show where his loyalties lie, with his own citizens, or with the barbaric government of israel.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

The evidence has more than toppled over and the case has been made in my mind. From my perspective... we could post multiple new links every day showing something absolutely horrific. Short of lamenting such behaviours, adding more to the incessant stream of shocking events is piling on at this point. The heart of this thread begs- among others- the following questions:
(1) What are the steps that need to be taken by the international community to thwart the cleansing tactics of Israel? And (2)... who leads such a change effort?

I was a teen when apartheid was placed on the world stage. I remember Artists Against Apartheid , consumer boycotts (I still don't purchase gas from Shell) and prominent heroes such as Mandela and Steven Biko. At what point does the world demand Israel reform? And short of simply recognizing the problem for what it is... what steps can people take from their corner of the world to help?

I also remember the Rwanda crisis. It would have been very easy for the international community to stop the genocide that saw a million Tutsi people killed in one month, yet we were indifferent as we twiddled our thumbs without any real motivation to intercede. Does the world care enough for the Palestinian people to come to their defence?

badbrains

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The evidence has more than toppled over and the case has been made in my mind. From my perspective... we could post multiple new links every day showing something absolutely horrific. Short of lamenting such behaviours, adding more to the incessant stream of shocking events is piling on at this point. The heart of this thread begs- among others- the following questions:
(1) What are the steps that need to be taken by the international community to thwart the cleansing tactics of Israel? And (2)... who leads such a change effort?

I was a teen when apartheid was placed on the world stage. I remember Artists Against Apartheid , consumer boycotts (I still don't purchase gas from Shell) and prominent heroes such as Mandela and Steven Biko. At what point does the world demand Israel reform? And short of simply recognizing the problem for what it is... what steps can people take from their corner of the world to help?

I also remember the Rwanda crisis. It would have been very easy for the international community to stop the genocide that saw a million Tutsi people killed in one month, yet we were indifferent as we twiddled our thumbs without any real motivation to intercede. Does the world care enough for the Palestinian people to come to their defence?

Thirty, well written post. Great examples given too. It's so amazing the shit they get away with (Israeli government) , with no one to answer to. I just think that they're to powerful for anyone to challenge (aipac) and people are starting to realize that no matter what they do (Israeli government) nothing ever happens to them. Basically untouchable. How and why, I just dnt understand.

gimmesometruth27

if the united states would stop blindly propping them up at the un, that would be the first step in making some major changes.

marriages end sometimes. why can our alliance with israel never end? is it because we need a place in the region to store our rockets? it is because we need someone to buy our planes? do we really need a place in the region where we might have to put boots on the ground?? i thought that is why we are still cool with saudi arabia. it is clear that the only reason the israeli government can continue to act with impunity is because the united states will back them at every turn. anybody who wants to make an enemy of israel automatically makes an enemy of the united states.

the united states is the Tommy to israel's Sam "Ace' Rothstein. the only reason israel can do what it does is because of us.

badbrains

Here's an article that I found pretty interesting:

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/06/1311721/-As-a-Jew-living-in-America-the-past-week-has-changed-me-forever

Drowned Out

Interesting to compare the police/IDF (lack of) response to these idiots, to their treatment of Palestinians who protest the occupation.



Video: Jewish mob chanting ‘Death to Arabs!’ stops cars in Jerusalem to check drivers’ ethnicity

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LBdRFWAYkBk

The video above was shot last night by Ronnie Barkan in Jerusalem. He tells me the locations are as follows:

PM residence, Hatulot square (downtown), en route to East Jerusalem (they didn’t enter East Jerusalem both coz they’re not SUCH idiots and secondly because the police used a stun grenade against then which made them step back)

In perhaps the most frightening scene they start flagging down taxis presumably looking for Palestinian drivers (they let cars pass once they see a driver is Jewish).

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/chanting-jerusalem-ethnicity.html

yosi

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The evidence has more than toppled over and the case has been made in my mind. From my perspective... we could post multiple new links every day showing something absolutely horrific. Short of lamenting such behaviours, adding more to the incessant stream of shocking events is piling on at this point. The heart of this thread begs- among others- the following questions:
(1) What are the steps that need to be taken by the international community to thwart the cleansing tactics of Israel? And (2)... who leads such a change effort?

I was a teen when apartheid was placed on the world stage. I remember Artists Against Apartheid , consumer boycotts (I still don't purchase gas from Shell) and prominent heroes such as Mandela and Steven Biko. At what point does the world demand Israel reform? And short of simply recognizing the problem for what it is... what steps can people take from their corner of the world to help?

I also remember the Rwanda crisis. It would have been very easy for the international community to stop the genocide that saw a million Tutsi people killed in one month, yet we were indifferent as we twiddled our thumbs without any real motivation to intercede. Does the world care enough for the Palestinian people to come to their defence?

Nice post. I guess it goes without saying at this point that I disagree (and think factually inaccurate) with your invocation of genocide and to a slightly lesser extent with the comparison to Apartheid. Those disagreements aside, I agree that a discussion of practical solutions would be a much more productive discussion to have at this point.

I think first of all that the actions taken by the E.U. to identify settlement exports and exclude them from European trade deals with Israel is a great step and should be more widely adopted. It isolates and punishes the settlements as a problem and sends the message that they won't be tolerated while simultaneously reassuring the broader Israeli public that the legitimacy of Israel as such is not at issue.

Another step that Americans especially should take is to put pressure on their representatives to tie American aid to Israel to certain changes in Israeli policy with respect to the settlements. Specifically, there are a whole range of economic incentives in place that draw more people to the settlements. These include tax incentives, free public education beginning at a younger age, higher pay for teachers in settlement schools, etc. I would want to see all of these incentives reversed so that people are incentivized to move from the settlements back into Israel proper rather than the other way around. I also think that it would be constructive for the US to earmark a portion of its aid towards expanding housing within Israel proper for the specific purpose of absorbing settlers who move (or who may eventually be moved) back into Israel. Insisting on a building freeze in the settlements would also be good.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

yosi said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The evidence has more than toppled over and the case has been made in my mind. From my perspective... we could post multiple new links every day showing something absolutely horrific. Short of lamenting such behaviours, adding more to the incessant stream of shocking events is piling on at this point. The heart of this thread begs- among others- the following questions:
(1) What are the steps that need to be taken by the international community to thwart the cleansing tactics of Israel? And (2)... who leads such a change effort?

I was a teen when apartheid was placed on the world stage. I remember Artists Against Apartheid , consumer boycotts (I still don't purchase gas from Shell) and prominent heroes such as Mandela and Steven Biko. At what point does the world demand Israel reform? And short of simply recognizing the problem for what it is... what steps can people take from their corner of the world to help?

I also remember the Rwanda crisis. It would have been very easy for the international community to stop the genocide that saw a million Tutsi people killed in one month, yet we were indifferent as we twiddled our thumbs without any real motivation to intercede. Does the world care enough for the Palestinian people to come to their defence?

Nice post. I guess it goes without saying at this point that I disagree (and think factually inaccurate) with your invocation of genocide and to a slightly lesser extent with the comparison to Apartheid. Those disagreements aside, I agree that a discussion of practical solutions would be a much more productive discussion to have at this point.

I think first of all that the actions taken by the E.U. to identify settlement exports and exclude them from European trade deals with Israel is a great step and should be more widely adopted. It isolates and punishes the settlements as a problem and sends the message that they won't be tolerated while simultaneously reassuring the broader Israeli public that the legitimacy of Israel as such is not at issue.

Another step that Americans especially should take is to put pressure on their representatives to tie American aid to Israel to certain changes in Israeli policy with respect to the settlements. Specifically, there are a whole range of economic incentives in place that draw more people to the settlements. These include tax incentives, free public education beginning at a younger age, higher pay for teachers in settlement schools, etc. I would want to see all of these incentives reversed so that people are incentivized to move from the settlements back into Israel proper rather than the other way around. I also think that it would be constructive for the US to earmark a portion of its aid towards expanding housing within Israel proper for the specific purpose of absorbing settlers who move (or who may eventually be moved) back into Israel. Insisting on a building freeze in the settlements would also be good.

Yosi,

I illustrated those two international events as examples for action and inaction. It was not my attempt to do anything other than that.

I'm not making any judgements here as much as I think we need to move towards a solution. I think you have said as much in your response.

yosi

In that case my mistake. I absolutely agree that working toward a viable solution should be the preeminent concern. Far too often I find people on both sides of this issue are more concerned with insisting on abstract principles of justice (as they see it) than working towards practical solutions. That's not to say that justice isn't important, but the perfect should not be allowed to be the enemy of the good (as the saying goes).

Thirty Bills Unpaid

yosi said:

In that case my mistake. I absolutely agree that working toward a viable solution should be the preeminent concern. Far too often I find people on both sides of this issue are more concerned with insisting on abstract principles of justice (as they see it) than working towards practical solutions. That's not to say that justice isn't important, but the perfect should not be allowed to be the enemy of the good (as the saying goes).

No problems. I can see how you might have felt I had attempted to align the three distinct events.

By the way... you listed several ideas in your previous post that I am digesting at the moment. I don't wish to comment on them without more thought. I mention this to let you know you are not being ignored.

yosi

No worries. I look forward to hearing what you have to say.