Thank hunters for wildlife restoration

inmytree

mickeyrat wrote:

hmm a "built in tax" on the equpiment used in various hunting methods? What IF I didnt intend to EVER hunt but only intend to use said equpiment at a shooting range or other NONoutdoor venue. AM I then able to opt out of said built in tax?

thank a hunter....

shoot..

brianlux

hedonist wrote:

brianlux wrote:

The notion that hunting is OK if you do it for food is bullshit. This is the 21st century. It's time for people to stop using this outdated lame excuse. If you want to hunt animals for population control and food try cannibalism.

You seem pretty pissed off this morning, so I'll just say that despite some of our similar viewpoints, I will respectfully disagree with this.

*scurries away*

I know you would disagree with me on this, Hedonist, but I also know the intention of your posts is to be honest not to bate and I've always respected you for that. Disagreeing is fine. How boring the world would be if we all agreed on everything. It's the bating and troll like behavior of other posts that is irritating and bogs down adult discussions.

But I still must stand up for wildlife. I always will.

lukin2006

brianlux wrote:

I do

The notion that hunting is OK if you do it for food is bullshit. This is the 21st century. It's time for people to stop using this outdated lame excuse. If you want to hunt animals for population control and food try cannibalism.

Why is that? So it's ok for farmers to raise animals for slaughter to supply the humans.

usamamasan1

brianlux wrote:

The notion that hunting is OK if you do it for food is bullshit. This is the 21st century. It's time for people to stop using this outdated lame excuse. If you want to hunt animals for population control and food try cannibalism.

twice u are so far off and in the dark on this issue. i am glad i made this thread to help educate.
I rather enjoy the venison I harvest each year. You can't sell the meat so, how should i get my venison? Buy from a deer factory farm or something? I prefer the ones on my property that eat apples, acorns and other yummies. Free range.

oh lawd

Godfather.

Jason P wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

I didn't read the article, not terribly interested, but there was a 60 minutes segment a while back about the exotic game farms in Texas and how they claim to be good for restoration as they are really the only ones that are breeding (definitely not the right word) a lot of these endangered animals and even though many are just there to be killed the number that are released and the money/taxes to kill one does a lot of good.

Not sure how I felt about it. Mixed feelings.

There is one from around where I live. It's beyond stupid. But people will pay $50,000 to shoot a drugged "trophy" deer.

A deer! $50K! It's nucking futs!

maybe I'm in the wrong business..... :shock:

Godfather.

Cosmo

There are different kind of hunting and hunters...
Some hunters will set up camp and head out in the brush and wait out a deer. Take aim from a ridiculous distance and fire one shot from a scoped Remington hunting rifle and bring home meat for the long Winter months.
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Then there are these 'Hunters'... the ones who sit in this:

Scatter deer food or deer poontang on the ground and wait for a deer to come into range to either eat or get laid... then, shoot them at close range, execution style.
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Is that deer hunting? Shouldn't it be called, 'Deer Fishing' or 'Deer Ambushing' or something else? Because, seriously... how it THAT hunting?
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I mean i really do admire the skill that a hunter requires... knowledge of the prey... tremendous skill with firearms... patience.
The deer ambushers... any fucking idiot can do that. Is THAT called 'Sport'?

Jason P

I used to hunt deer with one of these ...

Cosmo

Jason P wrote:

I used to hunt deer with one of these ...

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Then wait at one of these, with the engine running... right?

BinauralJam

Jason P wrote:

I used to hunt deer with one of these ...

my wifes girlfriend lives in p.a. and has hit and killed 3 in three years. totaled two cars, she has simply stopped driving at night.

usamamasan1

i prefer to harvest young doe. although a farmer friend of mine says..if it's brown, put it down.

brianlux

lukin2006 wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I do

The notion that hunting is OK if you do it for food is bullshit. This is the 21st century. It's time for people to stop using this outdated lame excuse. If you want to hunt animals for population control and food try cannibalism.

Why is that?

Simple: Because the planet is overrun with humans and wildlife is declining. You either accept that reality or not but unfortunately, since AMT is now the official "let's just bait each other rather than discuss" part of the forum, I doubt I'll change anyone's mind one way or another.

usamamasan1

brianlux wrote:

Simple: Because the planet is overrun with humans and wildlife is declining.

Thank a hunter for wildlife restoration.

Godfather.

Cosmo wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I used to hunt deer with one of these ...

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Then wait at one of these, with the engine running... right?

those dang thing's will really screw up a car...I seen em !

Godfather.

usamamasan1

driving during deer season during dusk or dawn is like playing frogger with those sons a bitches! the rut gets them on the move real good.

Cosmo

usamamasan1 wrote:

Thank a hunter for wildlife restoration.

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Two sides to every story...
The Wolves helped to restore Yellowstone National Park, since their reintroduction to the environment. Their numbers helped to keep the deer population in check, allowing the aspens, cottonwoods and willows to grow... since the deer were eating all of the young saplings. With the return of the trees came the return of the beavers, who used the tree to dam rivers and create natural water sources that brought back birds... that helped to spread seed that they eat at one location and crap at another... which helped to increase the buffalo populations.
ref. http://www.cof.orst.edu/leopold/papers/RippleBeschtaYellowstone_BioConserv.pdf
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The wolves had been victims of over hunting by Man... mainly by ranchers to protect their grazing herds. Hunting wolves, devistated wildlife environments.
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This isn't about saying your arguement is wrong orthat hunters have nothing to do with wildlife restoration... i'm just pointing out that hunters cannot claim all of the credit.

mickeyrat

Cosmo wrote:

usamamasan1 wrote:

Thank a hunter for wildlife restoration.

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Two sides to every story...
The Wolves helped to restore Yellowstone National Park, since their reintroduction to the environment. Their numbers helped to keep the deer population in check, allowing the aspens, cottonwoods and willows to grow... since the deer were eating all of the young saplings. With the return of the trees came the return of the beavers, who used the tree to dam rivers and create natural water sources that brought back birds... that helped to spread seed that they eat at one location and crap at another... which helped to increase the buffalo populations.
ref. http://www.cof.orst.edu/leopold/papers/RippleBeschtaYellowstone_BioConserv.pdf
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The wolves had been victims of over hunting by Man... mainly by ranchers to protect their grazing herds. Hunting wolves, devistated wildlife environments.
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This isn't about saying your arguement is wrong orthat hunters have nothing to do with wildlife restoration... i'm just pointing out that hunters cannot claim all of the credit.

woot

usamamasan1

i am all for more wolves.

lukin2006

brianlux wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

brianlux wrote:

I do

The notion that hunting is OK if you do it for food is bullshit. This is the 21st century. It's time for people to stop using this outdated lame excuse. If you want to hunt animals for population control and food try cannibalism.

Why is that?

Simple: Because the planet is overrun with humans and wildlife is declining. You either accept that reality or not but unfortunately, since AMT is now the official "let's just bait each other rather than discuss" part of the forum, I doubt I'll change anyone's mind one way or another.

So it's ok for farmers to raise cattle, pigs, chicken and then send then off to slaughter...But it's not ok for hunters to get their own food. I'm not trying to bait you or anyone...but realistically unless your a vegan...

brianlux

lukin2006 wrote:

So it's ok for farmers to raise cattle, pigs, chicken and then send then off to slaughter...But it's not ok for hunters to get their own food. I'm not trying to bait you or anyone...but realistically unless your a vegan...

Veganism is most honorable. What Temple Grandin has done for animals raised for food is honorable and compassionate. What most hunters have done (if anything) for wild animals is either self-serving or done because it has been mandated. With all due respect, I think what you're talking about here is apples and oranges.

lukin2006

No matter how one obtained their meat for the family cook out...hunting is legal...I myself don't partake in the sport...but as someone who enjoys a good steak I have no way of passing moral judgement on hunting as long as their doing it for food and not trophy hunting.

The few hunters I know like their own meat because they have a pretty good idea that there steroid and hormone free.

But for those opposed to hunting and aren't vegans...well enough said....