Thank hunters for wildlife restoration

Godfather.

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Any thread that starts with an obtuse opening like "I assume you're all too dumb to know this..." or "Most of you probably had no idea so I will help bring you up to speed...." is one I usually ignore.

But I figured... I'll see what he has to say.

I'm amazed to find out what a bunch of tree-hugging commies hunters are.

Let's take away their rights to bear arms.

dude !!! I've read a few of your own post that start that way no problem but just say'n man it's funny you would post that.

Godfather.

badbrains

Last time I shot a gun was 1994. The look on that rabbits eyes staring into mine is something I'll never forget. Haven't picked up a gun since. My uncles are avid hunters. Not my thing. "not for ME." Nothing against anyone who hunts.

lukin2006

The only ones who can bitch and moan about hunting are vegans. As long as hunters stay within the law, stay within the limits they are given no problems.

Brian I don't what the wild turkeys are like in norther california are like, but he turkeys in these parts you can not just walk up to them, maybe to much sun has eroded their senses...

ComeToTX

lukin2006 wrote:

The only ones who can bitch and moan about hunting are vegans. As long as hunters stay within the law, stay within the limits they are given no problems.

Brian I don't what the wild turkeys are like in norther california are like, but he turkeys in these parts you can not just walk up to them, maybe to much sun has eroded their senses...

Ehhh, I don't know about that. I have no problem with people hunting something they'll eat or to control population. I do have a problem with some of the big game ranches that you pay to go out and shoot a fenced in animal. Safari's are a problem for me. People killing elephants for their tusks or bears for the fuck of it or shooting something just to hang it on their fucking wall (which my dad does plenty).

I'd rather spend a fall afternoon watching football but have at it. Cover yourself in stupid looking clothes and animal piss and go slaughter an animal with a high powered rifle.

Jason P

ComeToTX wrote:

I'd rather spend a fall afternoon watching football but have at it. Cover yourself in stupid looking clothes and animal piss and go slaughter an animal with a high powered rifle.

:thumbup:

usamamasan1

lukin2006 wrote:

The only ones who can bitch and moan about hunting are vegans. As long as hunters stay within the law, stay within the limits they are given no problems.

Brian I don't what the wild turkeys are like in norther california are like, but he turkeys in these parts you can not just walk up to them, maybe to much sun has eroded their senses...

He has no idea. Turkeys have incredible vision and you have to be so very still, attempt to call them in close enough to clean their clock. He must be talking about some soft west coasters.

usamamasan1

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Any thread that starts with an obtuse opening like "I assume you're all too dumb to know this..." or "Most of you probably had no idea so I will help bring you up to speed...." is one I usually ignore.

So, you knew the facts of what I posted then huh? Good for you. Now thank a hunter.

Cliffy6745

I didn't read the article, not terribly interested, but there was a 60 minutes segment a while back about the exotic game farms in Texas and how they claim to be good for restoration as they are really the only ones that are breeding (definitely not the right word) a lot of these endangered animals and even though many are just there to be killed the number that are released and the money/taxes to kill one does a lot of good.

Not sure how I felt about it. Mixed feelings.

Jason P

Cliffy6745 wrote:

I didn't read the article, not terribly interested, but there was a 60 minutes segment a while back about the exotic game farms in Texas and how they claim to be good for restoration as they are really the only ones that are breeding (definitely not the right word) a lot of these endangered animals and even though many are just there to be killed the number that are released and the money/taxes to kill one does a lot of good.

Not sure how I felt about it. Mixed feelings.

There is one from around where I live. It's beyond stupid. But people will pay $50,000 to shoot a drugged "trophy" deer.

A deer! $50K! It's nucking futs!

Cliffy6745

Jason P wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

I didn't read the article, not terribly interested, but there was a 60 minutes segment a while back about the exotic game farms in Texas and how they claim to be good for restoration as they are really the only ones that are breeding (definitely not the right word) a lot of these endangered animals and even though many are just there to be killed the number that are released and the money/taxes to kill one does a lot of good.

Not sure how I felt about it. Mixed feelings.

There is one from around where I live. It's beyond stupid. But people will pay $50,000 to shoot a drugged "trophy" deer.

A deer! $50K! It's nucking futs!

Yeah, this was more about things like crazy zebras and antelopes and things like that and yeah, the price was something wild like that. I definitely don't like the idea of killing something that is caged it, and somewhat get both sides of the argument.

lukin2006

Jason P wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

I didn't read the article, not terribly interested, but there was a 60 minutes segment a while back about the exotic game farms in Texas and how they claim to be good for restoration as they are really the only ones that are breeding (definitely not the right word) a lot of these endangered animals and even though many are just there to be killed the number that are released and the money/taxes to kill one does a lot of good.

Not sure how I felt about it. Mixed feelings.

There is one from around where I live. It's beyond stupid. But people will pay $50,000 to shoot a drugged "trophy" deer.

A deer! $50K! It's nucking futs!

I don't why anyone would pay 50 k for a deer...many paces deer are thriving.

lukin2006

usamamasan1 wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

The only ones who can bitch and moan about hunting are vegans. As long as hunters stay within the law, stay within the limits they are given no problems.

Brian I don't what the wild turkeys are like in norther california are like, but he turkeys in these parts you can not just walk up to them, maybe to much sun has eroded their senses...

He has no idea. Turkeys have incredible vision and you have to be so very still, attempt to call them in close enough to clean their clock. He must be talking about some soft west coasters.

I work with a couple of hunters and when they took up turkey hunting it took a couple of years to get that first one...they tell me they're quick, smart and have very good sense's.

I myself can't complain much about hunting, not my thing, but I like a good steak...the difference is they partake in a bigger process of getting the food to their table than most of us who just go to the store.

lukin2006

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

I didn't read the article, not terribly interested, but there was a 60 minutes segment a while back about the exotic game farms in Texas and how they claim to be good for restoration as they are really the only ones that are breeding (definitely not the right word) a lot of these endangered animals and even though many are just there to be killed the number that are released and the money/taxes to kill one does a lot of good.

Not sure how I felt about it. Mixed feelings.

There is one from around where I live. It's beyond stupid. But people will pay $50,000 to shoot a drugged "trophy" deer.

A deer! $50K! It's nucking futs!

Yeah, this was more about things like crazy zebras and antelopes and things like that and yeah, the price was something wild like that. I definitely don't like the idea of killing something that is caged it, and somewhat get both sides of the argument.

Thats not really cool...ut thats different than someone who hunts and fishes to feed their family.

Jason P

lukin2006 wrote:

I don't why anyone would pay 50 k for a deer...many paces deer are thriving.

Boatloads of money. The names I've heard associated hunting there are country music and Nascar stars.

When I was out west, I was working at a microelectronics fab center and my company took the CEO of the client to one of these "hunting" parks. I guess they had an elk that was off limits and they had high-visible markings on the elk so people wouldn't shoot it ... and the CEO shot it anyway!

Cost us around $250K in damages.

BinauralJam

Turkey's in upstate New York are dumb as shit, you can walk right up to them. Geese are smarter.

mickeyrat

hmm a "built in tax" on the equpiment used in various hunting methods? What IF I didnt intend to EVER hunt but only intend to use said equpiment at a shooting range or other NONoutdoor venue. AM I then able to opt out of said built in tax?

Prince Of Dorkness

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Muir

John Muir was a Scottish-American naturalist, author, and early advocate of preservation of wilderness in the United States. He's why we have national parks.

While I suppose he probably did do some hunting (it was the 19th century and grocery stores were kinda sparse back then), he was more known for his writing.

brianlux

I do know what I'm talking about. Wild animals are not easy to approach, even wild turkeys. But if you have a certain kind of relationship with animals they will not run from you. I've hand fed wild turkeys (though I admit that was wrong- wild animals are better off fending for themselves). I've sat in a field and watched a bobcat when in most cases it would have fled. I've sat and watched fox and coyotes and deer who would normally run away. They know I'm not going to harm them.

The notion that hunting is OK if you do it for food is bullshit. This is the 21st century. It's time for people to stop using this outdated lame excuse. If you want to hunt animals for population control and food try cannibalism.

I also question the motivation behind this thread in the first place. Just instigating more trouble on AMT. Big deal. Anyone can do that and it's beginning to look like instead of being a place to discuss current events it's becoming a place to badger other people. I would ignore this thread but I choose instead to stand up for wildlife. I won't back down from that for anybody.

BinauralJam

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Muir

John Muir was a Scottish-American naturalist, author, and early advocate of preservation of wilderness in the United States. He's why we have national parks.

While I suppose he probably did do some hunting (it was the 19th century and grocery stores were kinda sparse back then), he was more known for his writing.

That's Cool, have to give credit to Teddy as well.

hedonist

brianlux wrote:

The notion that hunting is OK if you do it for food is bullshit. This is the 21st century. It's time for people to stop using this outdated lame excuse. If you want to hunt animals for population control and food try cannibalism.

You seem pretty pissed off this morning, so I'll just say that despite some of our similar viewpoints, I will respectfully disagree with this.

*scurries away*