I didn't read the article, not terribly interested, but there was a 60 minutes segment a while back about the exotic game farms in Texas and how they claim to be good for restoration as they are really the only ones that are breeding (definitely not the right word) a lot of these endangered animals and even though many are just there to be killed the number that are released and the money/taxes to kill one does a lot of good.
Not sure how I felt about it. Mixed feelings.
There is one from around where I live. It's beyond stupid. But people will pay $50,000 to shoot a drugged "trophy" deer.
A deer! $50K! It's nucking futs!
I don't why anyone would pay 50 k for a deer...many paces deer are thriving.
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The only ones who can bitch and moan about hunting are vegans. As long as hunters stay within the law, stay within the limits they are given no problems.
Brian I don't what the wild turkeys are like in norther california are like, but he turkeys in these parts you can not just walk up to them, maybe to much sun has eroded their senses...
He has no idea. Turkeys have incredible vision and you have to be so very still, attempt to call them in close enough to clean their clock. He must be talking about some soft west coasters.
I work with a couple of hunters and when they took up turkey hunting it took a couple of years to get that first one...they tell me they're quick, smart and have very good sense's.
I myself can't complain much about hunting, not my thing, but I like a good steak...the difference is they partake in a bigger process of getting the food to their table than most of us who just go to the store.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I didn't read the article, not terribly interested, but there was a 60 minutes segment a while back about the exotic game farms in Texas and how they claim to be good for restoration as they are really the only ones that are breeding (definitely not the right word) a lot of these endangered animals and even though many are just there to be killed the number that are released and the money/taxes to kill one does a lot of good.
Not sure how I felt about it. Mixed feelings.
There is one from around where I live. It's beyond stupid. But people will pay $50,000 to shoot a drugged "trophy" deer.
A deer! $50K! It's nucking futs!
Yeah, this was more about things like crazy zebras and antelopes and things like that and yeah, the price was something wild like that. I definitely don't like the idea of killing something that is caged it, and somewhat get both sides of the argument.
Thats not really cool...ut thats different than someone who hunts and fishes to feed their family.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I don't why anyone would pay 50 k for a deer...many paces deer are thriving.
Boatloads of money. The names I've heard associated hunting there are country music and Nascar stars.
When I was out west, I was working at a microelectronics fab center and my company took the CEO of the client to one of these "hunting" parks. I guess they had an elk that was off limits and they had high-visible markings on the elk so people wouldn't shoot it ... and the CEO shot it anyway!
hmm a "built in tax" on the equpiment used in various hunting methods? What IF I didnt intend to EVER hunt but only intend to use said equpiment at a shooting range or other NONoutdoor venue. AM I then able to opt out of said built in tax?
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John Muir was a Scottish-American naturalist, author, and early advocate of preservation of wilderness in the United States. He's why we have national parks.
While I suppose he probably did do some hunting (it was the 19th century and grocery stores were kinda sparse back then), he was more known for his writing.
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I do know what I'm talking about. Wild animals are not easy to approach, even wild turkeys. But if you have a certain kind of relationship with animals they will not run from you. I've hand fed wild turkeys (though I admit that was wrong- wild animals are better off fending for themselves). I've sat in a field and watched a bobcat when in most cases it would have fled. I've sat and watched fox and coyotes and deer who would normally run away. They know I'm not going to harm them.
The notion that hunting is OK if you do it for food is bullshit. This is the 21st century. It's time for people to stop using this outdated lame excuse. If you want to hunt animals for population control and food try cannibalism.
I also question the motivation behind this thread in the first place. Just instigating more trouble on AMT. Big deal. Anyone can do that and it's beginning to look like instead of being a place to discuss current events it's becoming a place to badger other people. I would ignore this thread but I choose instead to stand up for wildlife. I won't back down from that for anybody.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
John Muir was a Scottish-American naturalist, author, and early advocate of preservation of wilderness in the United States. He's why we have national parks.
While I suppose he probably did do some hunting (it was the 19th century and grocery stores were kinda sparse back then), he was more known for his writing.
That's Cool, have to give credit to Teddy as well.
The notion that hunting is OK if you do it for food is bullshit. This is the 21st century. It's time for people to stop using this outdated lame excuse. If you want to hunt animals for population control and food try cannibalism.
You seem pretty pissed off this morning, so I'll just say that despite some of our similar viewpoints, I will respectfully disagree with this.
hmm a "built in tax" on the equpiment used in various hunting methods? What IF I didnt intend to EVER hunt but only intend to use said equpiment at a shooting range or other NONoutdoor venue. AM I then able to opt out of said built in tax?
thank a hunter....
shoot..
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The notion that hunting is OK if you do it for food is bullshit. This is the 21st century. It's time for people to stop using this outdated lame excuse. If you want to hunt animals for population control and food try cannibalism.
You seem pretty pissed off this morning, so I'll just say that despite some of our similar viewpoints, I will respectfully disagree with this.
*scurries away*
I know you would disagree with me on this, Hedonist, but I also know the intention of your posts is to be honest not to bate and I've always respected you for that. Disagreeing is fine. How boring the world would be if we all agreed on everything. It's the bating and troll like behavior of other posts that is irritating and bogs down adult discussions.
But I still must stand up for wildlife. I always will.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
The notion that hunting is OK if you do it for food is bullshit. This is the 21st century. It's time for people to stop using this outdated lame excuse. If you want to hunt animals for population control and food try cannibalism.
Why is that? So it's ok for farmers to raise animals for slaughter to supply the humans.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
The notion that hunting is OK if you do it for food is bullshit. This is the 21st century. It's time for people to stop using this outdated lame excuse. If you want to hunt animals for population control and food try cannibalism.
twice u are so far off and in the dark on this issue. i am glad i made this thread to help educate.
I rather enjoy the venison I harvest each year. You can't sell the meat so, how should i get my venison? Buy from a deer factory farm or something? I prefer the ones on my property that eat apples, acorns and other yummies. Free range.
I didn't read the article, not terribly interested, but there was a 60 minutes segment a while back about the exotic game farms in Texas and how they claim to be good for restoration as they are really the only ones that are breeding (definitely not the right word) a lot of these endangered animals and even though many are just there to be killed the number that are released and the money/taxes to kill one does a lot of good.
Not sure how I felt about it. Mixed feelings.
There is one from around where I live. It's beyond stupid. But people will pay $50,000 to shoot a drugged "trophy" deer.
There are different kind of hunting and hunters...
Some hunters will set up camp and head out in the brush and wait out a deer. Take aim from a ridiculous distance and fire one shot from a scoped Remington hunting rifle and bring home meat for the long Winter months.
...
Then there are these 'Hunters'... the ones who sit in this:
Scatter deer food or deer poontang on the ground and wait for a deer to come into range to either eat or get laid... then, shoot them at close range, execution style.
...
Is that deer hunting? Shouldn't it be called, 'Deer Fishing' or 'Deer Ambushing' or something else? Because, seriously... how it THAT hunting?
...
I mean i really do admire the skill that a hunter requires... knowledge of the prey... tremendous skill with firearms... patience.
The deer ambushers... any fucking idiot can do that. Is THAT called 'Sport'?
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The notion that hunting is OK if you do it for food is bullshit. This is the 21st century. It's time for people to stop using this outdated lame excuse. If you want to hunt animals for population control and food try cannibalism.
Why is that?
Simple: Because the planet is overrun with humans and wildlife is declining. You either accept that reality or not but unfortunately, since AMT is now the official "let's just bait each other rather than discuss" part of the forum, I doubt I'll change anyone's mind one way or another.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
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Two sides to every story...
The Wolves helped to restore Yellowstone National Park, since their reintroduction to the environment. Their numbers helped to keep the deer population in check, allowing the aspens, cottonwoods and willows to grow... since the deer were eating all of the young saplings. With the return of the trees came the return of the beavers, who used the tree to dam rivers and create natural water sources that brought back birds... that helped to spread seed that they eat at one location and crap at another... which helped to increase the buffalo populations.
ref. http://www.cof.orst.edu/leopold/papers/RippleBeschtaYellowstone_BioConserv.pdf
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The wolves had been victims of over hunting by Man... mainly by ranchers to protect their grazing herds. Hunting wolves, devistated wildlife environments.
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This isn't about saying your arguement is wrong orthat hunters have nothing to do with wildlife restoration... i'm just pointing out that hunters cannot claim all of the credit.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
...
Two sides to every story...
The Wolves helped to restore Yellowstone National Park, since their reintroduction to the environment. Their numbers helped to keep the deer population in check, allowing the aspens, cottonwoods and willows to grow... since the deer were eating all of the young saplings. With the return of the trees came the return of the beavers, who used the tree to dam rivers and create natural water sources that brought back birds... that helped to spread seed that they eat at one location and crap at another... which helped to increase the buffalo populations.
ref. http://www.cof.orst.edu/leopold/papers/RippleBeschtaYellowstone_BioConserv.pdf
...
The wolves had been victims of over hunting by Man... mainly by ranchers to protect their grazing herds. Hunting wolves, devistated wildlife environments.
...
This isn't about saying your arguement is wrong orthat hunters have nothing to do with wildlife restoration... i'm just pointing out that hunters cannot claim all of the credit.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
The notion that hunting is OK if you do it for food is bullshit. This is the 21st century. It's time for people to stop using this outdated lame excuse. If you want to hunt animals for population control and food try cannibalism.
Why is that?
Simple: Because the planet is overrun with humans and wildlife is declining. You either accept that reality or not but unfortunately, since AMT is now the official "let's just bait each other rather than discuss" part of the forum, I doubt I'll change anyone's mind one way or another.
So it's ok for farmers to raise cattle, pigs, chicken and then send then off to slaughter...But it's not ok for hunters to get their own food. I'm not trying to bait you or anyone...but realistically unless your a vegan...
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
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So it's ok for farmers to raise cattle, pigs, chicken and then send then off to slaughter...But it's not ok for hunters to get their own food. I'm not trying to bait you or anyone...but realistically unless your a vegan...
Veganism is most honorable. What Temple Grandin has done for animals raised for food is honorable and compassionate. What most hunters have done (if anything) for wild animals is either self-serving or done because it has been mandated. With all due respect, I think what you're talking about here is apples and oranges.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
No matter how one obtained their meat for the family cook out...hunting is legal...I myself don't partake in the sport...but as someone who enjoys a good steak I have no way of passing moral judgement on hunting as long as their doing it for food and not trophy hunting.
The few hunters I know like their own meat because they have a pretty good idea that there steroid and hormone free.
But for those opposed to hunting and aren't vegans...well enough said....
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
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I don't why anyone would pay 50 k for a deer...many paces deer are thriving.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I work with a couple of hunters and when they took up turkey hunting it took a couple of years to get that first one...they tell me they're quick, smart and have very good sense's.
I myself can't complain much about hunting, not my thing, but I like a good steak...the difference is they partake in a bigger process of getting the food to their table than most of us who just go to the store.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Thats not really cool...ut thats different than someone who hunts and fishes to feed their family.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
When I was out west, I was working at a microelectronics fab center and my company took the CEO of the client to one of these "hunting" parks. I guess they had an elk that was off limits and they had high-visible markings on the elk so people wouldn't shoot it ... and the CEO shot it anyway!
Cost us around $250K in damages.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
John Muir was a Scottish-American naturalist, author, and early advocate of preservation of wilderness in the United States. He's why we have national parks.
While I suppose he probably did do some hunting (it was the 19th century and grocery stores were kinda sparse back then), he was more known for his writing.
The notion that hunting is OK if you do it for food is bullshit. This is the 21st century. It's time for people to stop using this outdated lame excuse. If you want to hunt animals for population control and food try cannibalism.
I also question the motivation behind this thread in the first place. Just instigating more trouble on AMT. Big deal. Anyone can do that and it's beginning to look like instead of being a place to discuss current events it's becoming a place to badger other people. I would ignore this thread but I choose instead to stand up for wildlife. I won't back down from that for anybody.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
That's Cool, have to give credit to Teddy as well.
*scurries away*
thank a hunter....
shoot..
I know you would disagree with me on this, Hedonist, but I also know the intention of your posts is to be honest not to bate and I've always respected you for that.
But I still must stand up for wildlife. I always will.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Why is that? So it's ok for farmers to raise animals for slaughter to supply the humans.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
twice u are so far off and in the dark on this issue. i am glad i made this thread to help educate.
I rather enjoy the venison I harvest each year. You can't sell the meat so, how should i get my venison? Buy from a deer factory farm or something? I prefer the ones on my property that eat apples, acorns and other yummies. Free range.
oh lawd
maybe I'm in the wrong business..... :shock:
Godfather.
Some hunters will set up camp and head out in the brush and wait out a deer. Take aim from a ridiculous distance and fire one shot from a scoped Remington hunting rifle and bring home meat for the long Winter months.
...
Then there are these 'Hunters'... the ones who sit in this:
Scatter deer food or deer poontang on the ground and wait for a deer to come into range to either eat or get laid... then, shoot them at close range, execution style.
...
Is that deer hunting? Shouldn't it be called, 'Deer Fishing' or 'Deer Ambushing' or something else? Because, seriously... how it THAT hunting?
...
I mean i really do admire the skill that a hunter requires... knowledge of the prey... tremendous skill with firearms... patience.
The deer ambushers... any fucking idiot can do that. Is THAT called 'Sport'?
Hail, Hail!!!
Then wait at one of these, with the engine running... right?
Hail, Hail!!!
Simple: Because the planet is overrun with humans and wildlife is declining. You either accept that reality or not but unfortunately, since AMT is now the official "let's just bait each other rather than discuss" part of the forum, I doubt I'll change anyone's mind one way or another.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Thank a hunter for wildlife restoration.
Godfather.
Two sides to every story...
The Wolves helped to restore Yellowstone National Park, since their reintroduction to the environment. Their numbers helped to keep the deer population in check, allowing the aspens, cottonwoods and willows to grow... since the deer were eating all of the young saplings. With the return of the trees came the return of the beavers, who used the tree to dam rivers and create natural water sources that brought back birds... that helped to spread seed that they eat at one location and crap at another... which helped to increase the buffalo populations.
ref. http://www.cof.orst.edu/leopold/papers/RippleBeschtaYellowstone_BioConserv.pdf
...
The wolves had been victims of over hunting by Man... mainly by ranchers to protect their grazing herds. Hunting wolves, devistated wildlife environments.
...
This isn't about saying your arguement is wrong orthat hunters have nothing to do with wildlife restoration... i'm just pointing out that hunters cannot claim all of the credit.
Hail, Hail!!!
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
So it's ok for farmers to raise cattle, pigs, chicken and then send then off to slaughter...But it's not ok for hunters to get their own food. I'm not trying to bait you or anyone...but realistically unless your a vegan...
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Veganism is most honorable. What Temple Grandin has done for animals raised for food is honorable and compassionate. What most hunters have done (if anything) for wild animals is either self-serving or done because it has been mandated. With all due respect, I think what you're talking about here is apples and oranges.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
The few hunters I know like their own meat because they have a pretty good idea that there steroid and hormone free.
But for those opposed to hunting and aren't vegans...well enough said....
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon