Black autographed lyric sheet for trade.
Looking to trade a Black lyric sheet that was signed by 3 of the guys. This piece is framed and comes with a certificate of authenticity.
I am really looking for the S/N McFarlane/Maxx242 Copenhagen print or the Munk One and Maxx242 PJ20 billboard print - I would consider a non S/N PJ20 billboard print
I am also open to other trade offers
I am really looking for the S/N McFarlane/Maxx242 Copenhagen print or the Munk One and Maxx242 PJ20 billboard print - I would consider a non S/N PJ20 billboard print
I am also open to other trade offers
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FYI, there is no such thing as a non-S/N PJ20 Billboard Print
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
Thanks dude... Found that out after I posted this.
Really am looking for the Copenhagen print.. And I know I can trade that billboard print for it
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I am willing to buy, but cash is lacking at the moment.
Also would sell this to cover the cost of the Copenhagen print
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Can you shed some more light about these signatures? How were they obtained? When were they obtained? Where were they obtained?
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
way to vomit your opinion. What exactly are you trying to accomplish with your post? The seller is a respected member of the Pearl Jam community, he may not be big on the board but never the less he is a well known completely respected member of the community on FB.
Why are you using the "oops" smiley? There is no oops your intentionally stirring shit friend....unless I'm missing something. I just don't understand your need to add your unsolicited opinion.
The signatures were obtained in Dublin in August of 2006 at The Point according to the COA that I have. I got this along with another signed photo from a collector in NYC.
I traded a ball signed by 4 NY Yankees from the 96 World Series team for these items; I obtained the ball through my father who has been on the NYY groundscrew since '82
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Having read Stypo420's post it appears an open dialogue isn't welcome here so I will just say based on the information you provided, specifically that you were told these signatures were obtained in 2006, tonifig8 was well within his right to speak up.
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
I didn't mean to come off that way...apologies...perhaps I read to much into the oops faces, there is nothing wrong with an open dialogue.
I understand and agree with the point you made about Stypo420's post - but I am not sure why the signatures being obtained in 2006 has anything to do with the validity of this item?
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I'm not questioning the sellers integrity- I'm questioning the authenticity of these signatures- This wouldn't be the first time someone came on the board believing they owned an authentic piece and later came to discover the sigs were fake. The reason I added the oops faces were because I was a little embarrassed to chime in on the thread, but by the looks of it it seems you already made up your mind and made the seller an offer- Don't know why you would be so bothered by my comments. I did not take the sellers history into consideration, my opinion was simply based off of what I was viewing. I've been dealing with PJ autos for well over a decade, so I think I've learned a thing or two during that time. I'm not saying I'm an expert, but I've seen hundreds of examples and have a pretty good understanding.
I didn't want to come off as rude or a jerk, but these sigs in my opinion are clearly fake- Certificates of authenticity can sometimes mean squat. Just my two cents. Good luck to the seller and all involved in this. I could be 100% wrong...
My apologies if this came off rude or if broke a rule here amongst the elitist.
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What leads you to believe that they are clearly fake?
And how can you in one breath say clearly fake, and in the next breath say you could be 100% wrong... If you are saying you could be 100% wrong, then you can't be sure they are clearly fake
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The "E" in Eddie and "V" in Vedder on your lyric sheet have very subtle but specific differences when compared against legitimate examples of Ed's signature which were obtained in person during that time period. In addition, Stone's signature on your lyric sheet just doesn't compare to legitimate examples from that era. His typical signature hasn't really changed in many years (although he sometimes signs more enthusiastically than others and adds a bit of "character" in his penmanship) the letters in his name more pronounced as opposed to scribbled, with the "S" in Stone appearing here not quite like others obtained in person during that time period.
Just my observation.
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
The first thing I noticed was the Mike signature(i'm guessing that's supposed to be Mike's sig) - I've never seen a mike sig with both "M" directly over one another - usually the lower "M" is more over to the right. Never have I seen the lower "m" to be smaller than the above "M" - not only that, but they are way to tight- the two ending loops run almost the same. The strokes are all sharp and have no real sloppiness. - Everything on the Mike signature points to fake (in my opinion) - nothing looks legit about it...
The Stone sig: The "s" looks tight, with no breakage at the top (some examples don't separate, but those are usually much more sloppy sigs- unlike this one), with the rest of the signature flowing and then making sharp strokes at the ends ... After seeing the Mike sig I would have my doubts about the Stone - Ed sigs
For the Ed - All you have to do is look at it from the bottom up... look at all the "d's" they are all the same. look at how smooth it flows on the bottom- almost like if your drawing a straight line with little grooves/bumps along the way.... The V is way off for that era or any era and the "e" following the "V" really did it for me. To many negatives ...
I'm sure if you posted some good up close images we could really pick these signatures apart.
- look around and compare- it's not that difficult. Look for images online and you'll start to notice some of those characteristics.... Why don't you just email santos little helper and see what he can tell you.... Maybe I'm wrong, but in my opinion to many things point to fake -- Ask some of the big collectors on the board to see how they feel. A lot of people on here have tons of experience and I'm sure they wouldn't mind giving you some friendly advise.
I'm done... this took up way to much time.
P.S
if this turns out to be fake - I'm sorry for your loss. It sucks, but that's how things sometimes go. Win some you lose some.... life goes on.
good luck
To me these are fake. I too have been around and watchful of these autos over a great many years and these look very off.
It's crap to say so but as people may look to trade valuable items for this it seems important to add a bit of extra 'opinion'
I would add as a footnote - auto'd black lyrics have been a regular on eBay these last 4 years or so... Always looking like these and never really costing much. Always additional warning signs
By all means - this is just opinion but a well researched one
Is there a definitive authority on signatures? I know someone said to email santos but are the certificates of authenticity (CA) that can be trusted without thought? or should all CA be scrutinized?
I am not a professional on this matter or pretend to be one, this is just my 2 cents
Anyway, I don't feel tonifig8 was trying to stir anything. Open dialogue is important in these forums. There was no malice involved, I'm sure.
If anyone has a definitive place I should look to get this looked at please send me a PM.
Luckily I did not purchase this and what I traded away was a walk in the park to get.
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One board member might not always have the right answer, but if you ask around I'm sure you'll get some solid advise and make a solid informed decision, while at the same time educating yourself. I've had conversations with other long time collectors where we have disagreed on the authenticity of an item, so it's always best to get good solid support from a team of collectors, especially for the high end items.
There are ton's of signed items on the bay that come with COA and they're clearly fake, regardless of which company authenticated the piece. But There are also tons of good items on the bay with or with out the COA. Just educate yourself a little and then pull the trigger. Signatures are awesome, even if it wasn't you who got the signature... Just my opinion of course.
Good luck to everyone ...
John Lyonne is the name on my COA as well
John Lyonne
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In my opinion there is a definitive place to look, and you have already found it. It is my opinion that between 100 pacer, tonifig8, pdalowsky, and wilds, there is no better place to look for Pearl Jam autograph opinions.
The other two choices are PSA/DNA or JSA authentications houses, or sending it to the Ten Club.
I trust the people on this board way more than those two costly authentication houses, and if truth be told, more than the ten club, although I've yet to see them get one wrong.
As to the item at hand. It has been denounced by all knowledgeable people on this board, AND the exact same item from the exact same seller, with the exact same worthless COA was found to be fake by PSA/DNA the leading authentication house in the country.
And now by me. It is an unfortunate thing to own, but the autographs in question are terrible fakes.
Not even good ones in my opinion.
The forger has put down an early 00's signature on an item he claims was signed in 2006. This is very obvious with the "Eddie Vedder" signature.
The Mike McCready is the most interesting. To me it looks like the forger copied Mikes autograph while looking into a mirror. The M's as usually constructed appear to be on the right of both his first and last name.
And the Stone is poorly formed.
None of these match up.
Sorry for taking so long to ring in, and hopefully I'm not coming across too harsh. Just wanted to make sure you don't spend any money trying to get this authenticated.
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