Time and energy spent on human and civil rights is always valuable. I didn't know that human worth and the right to equality was based on numbers.
You're right. But if the US public doesn't want it...they don't want it. That's why we vote and that's why we have people representing us in government.
Wrong....we as a society need to protect the minority. Having a majority means squat. Hell W was re-elected
As we evolve we will see equality and will look back and scratch our heads why anyone cares who fks who. Just as we now do for equal rights for women.
Do you really care who fks who?
In a democracy the majority rules correct? Unless they have restrucured government since I went to school.
You're right. But if the US public doesn't want it...they don't want it. That's why we vote and that's why we have people representing us in government.
Wrong....we as a society need to protect the minority. Having a majority means squat. Hell W was re-elected
As we evolve we will see equality and will look back and scratch our heads why anyone cares who fks who. Just as we now do for equal rights for women.
Do you really care who fks who?
In a democracy the majority rules correct? Unless they have restrucured government since I went to school.
yeah!!! Fuck that part of the constitution that gaurantees equal protection under the law~!!!
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Though I don't feel like looking for sources now, I doubt your % but thats not the point. Its about fairness, equality and the democratic party is courting those that value equality. The Dems are also courting those that want to move forward as a society versus those that use the religious ignorant to pursue $$$'s and move backwards. As such repugs bring this up as much as dems to court the ignorant.
I would say you as referring to people that believe in religoun as being ignorant...is quite ignorant actually.
Exactly. DS, you really think that if, say, a population is largely super racist towards a group of people, then that's the thinking that should be applied when creating law???
Majority rules. There are no laws about people leaving the country if they choose.
Why is it more right or wrong to discriminate against 4% of the population or 25% or 12% or 51%? In any case it's just wrong.
I like to be able to sleep in on Mondays but I can't. I feel I'm being discriminated against. I guess I could always quit my job...or leave the country. Freedom is a great thing especially when the majority rules.
You're right. But if the US public doesn't want it...they don't want it. That's why we vote and that's why we have people representing us in government.
Wrong....we as a society need to protect the minority. Having a majority means squat. Hell W was re-elected
As we evolve we will see equality and will look back and scratch our heads why anyone cares who fks who. Just as we now do for equal rights for women.
Do you really care who fks who?
In a democracy the majority rules correct? Unless they have restrucured government since I went to school.
Not when human rights are being violated. 99% of politicians or citizens could be against some human or civil right, and it wouldn't necessarily mean that's what would stand. Not if it goes to the Supreme Court and the Justices determine that it's against the constitution.
Also, the most votes for someone doesn't always mean an election is won (I don't mean voter fraud - sometimes the most seats isn't the same as the most individual votes).
Also, the USA isn't really a democracy (It's functions as a Republic, really)
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
If nobody cares who's fucking whom, why do some straight couples insist on publishing their wedding announcements in the paper?
Frankly... We're seeing the desperate straw-grabbing that people do when every argument they have falls apart. It doesn't matter what percentage of us there are... There is a very low percentage of deaf people but all TVs have the ability to display closed captions. If you don't need them, you don't display them and nobody seems to complain about it. They certainly don't vote on them saying "I don't need them and find them annoying so I'll keep you from having access to them."
We've seen a lot of silly arguments against allowing my husband and I have the same legal rights as Kim Kardashian and whomever she's married to this month... None of them can withstand a single-sentence rebuttal.
And in the end, just like interracial couples didn't beg people to vote for them, glbt couples are going to the courts where public opinion isn't supposed to matter.
Having closed captioning on my TV doesn't cost me anything. Also, closed captioning isn't brought to the forefront whenver the Dems get into a political debate. They argue about a small percentage of the population like they are being oppressed or something. I think tonight I will put my TV on mute...read the closed captioning and enjoy the horse meat that obama has allowed me to enjoy!
Why is it more right or wrong to discriminate against 4% of the population or 25% or 12% or 51%? In any case it's just wrong.
I like to be able to sleep in on Mondays but I can't. I feel I'm being discriminated against. I guess I could always quit my job...or leave the country. Freedom is a great thing especially when the majority rules.
:fp: :roll:
I am seriously lost on what point of view you are trying to express at this point.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
And if I have to explain that a marriage isn't about who you're "fucking."
A marriage is about sharing your life and building a home together.
Do you refer to your mother as "that woman my dad has sex with?" Do you call your brother-in-law "the guy who fucks my sister?"
Of course not.
Sounds like your belief of marriage is more of a spiritual or religious one than a political one. Do you need the governemnt then to recognize it? If so, why then? :corn:
And if I have to explain that a marriage isn't about who you're "fucking."
A marriage is about sharing your life and building a home together.
Do you refer to your mother as "that woman my dad has sex with?" Do you call your brother-in-law "the guy who fucks my sister?"
Of course not.
Sounds like your belief of marriage is more of a spiritual or religious one than a political one. Do you need the governemnt then to recognize it? If so, why then? :corn:
Geez DS. Are you really arguing stuff that you actually believe, or are you just being a shit disturber for fun? Do you seriously not understand the concept of equal rights?
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
yeah!!! Fuck that part of the constitution that gaurantees equal protection under the law~!!!
I guess fuck the whole other part that speak about majority rules then correct? I mean bills ae only passed into laws after a vote. I would like to sleep in on Mondays. I demand equal protection under the law! Where's my lobbyist group?!
yeah!!! Fuck that part of the constitution that gaurantees equal protection under the law~!!!
I guess fuck the whole other part that speak about majority rules then correct? I mean bills ae only passed into laws after a vote. I would like to sleep in on Mondays. I demand equal protection under the law! Where's my lobbyist group?!
I vote that everyone ignores DS in this thread from now on.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Not when human rights are being violated. 99% of politicians or citizens could be against some human or civil right, and it wouldn't necessarily mean that's what would stand. Not if it goes to the Supreme Court and the Justices determine that it's against the constitution.
Also, the most votes for someone doesn't always mean an election is won.
And if I have to explain that a marriage isn't about who you're "fucking."
A marriage is about sharing your life and building a home together.
Do you refer to your mother as "that woman my dad has sex with?" Do you call your brother-in-law "the guy who fucks my sister?"
Of course not.
Sounds like your belief of marriage is more of a spiritual or religious one than a political one. Do you need the governemnt then to recognize it? If so, why then? :corn:
Geez DS. Are you really arguing stuff that you actually believe, or are you just being a shit disturber for fun? Do you seriously not understand the concept of equal rights?
100% believe. Why would I want anything that will cost me money. Makes zero sense.
yeah!!! Fuck that part of the constitution that gaurantees equal protection under the law~!!!
I guess fuck the whole other part that speak about majority rules then correct? I mean bills ae only passed into laws after a vote. I would like to sleep in on Mondays. I demand equal protection under the law! Where's my lobbyist group?!
well, sir. No one is stopping you from sleeping in on mondays.Not legally anyway. Your employer could fire you for not showing on the agreed upon time , but thats theor legal right as a business. PoD on the other hand cant legally get married an be miserable like the other 50% of the population that will get divorced at some point. But then you wouldnt know about being married......
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yeah!!! Fuck that part of the constitution that gaurantees equal protection under the law~!!!
I guess fuck the whole other part that speak about majority rules then correct? I mean bills ae only passed into laws after a vote. I would like to sleep in on Mondays. I demand equal protection under the law! Where's my lobbyist group?!
well, sir. No one is stopping you from sleeping in on mondays.Not legally anyway. Your employer could fire you for not showing on the agreed upon time , but thats theor legal right as a business. PoD on the other hand cant legally get married an be miserable like the other 50% of the population that will get divorced at some point. But then you wouldnt know about being married......
Are you happy about your insurance costs going up to appease at best estimates 4% of the population? I'm not. And the reality of the fact is there is a major segment in this country who just doesn't belive in it. WHy is that so wrong? Is it any worse/better than those who believe in it? Sounds to me like the minorit trying to push their belifs on the majority.
well, sir. No one is stopping you from sleeping in on mondays.Not legally anyway. Your employer could fire you for not showing on the agreed upon time , but thats theor legal right as a business. PoD on the other hand cant legally get married an be miserable like the other 50% of the population that will get divorced at some point. But then you wouldnt know about being married......
Are you happy about your insurance costs going up to appease at best estimates 4% of the population? I'm not. And the reality of the fact is there is a major segment in this country who just doesn't belive in it. WHy is that so wrong? Is it any worse/better than those who believe in it?
well, for the ins group I'm a part of(truck drivers) if they keep eating at the buffet , weighing 300+ lbs and have the usual resulting health problems associated with obesity etc, thats the only thing I can see making MY rates go up.
So how is PoD being able to legally marry going to make your rates go up? You two part of the same group? same plans? Same company?
Nothing stopping them from being insured now, so please, explain in detail how YOUR individual rates will go up. Post the letter from your ins company stating if they are allowed to be leagl we're going to raise your rates by X amount.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
My husband and I have been together for over 20 years. We actually talked about the first pearl jam album on our first date. We had tex mex and I spilled salsa all over the table. I digress.
While we don't care about or need the approval of anyone who doesn't "agree" with our union (I've never understood what they mean by "agree"), I've told many stories of how legally we need the same recognition. I was offered a great job last year in another city and had to turn it down... My husband is Canadian and on a T1 Visa, meaning that if he doesn't have a job he has 8 days to leave the country. While we could have afforded to move to the new city and have him look for work when we got here, legally... That's not allowed.
If we were an opposite-sex couple I could have sponsored him for a green card and citizenship. He'd be a full American by now.
When he was in his motorcycle accident a couple years ago, I was the one who rushed to the hospital to be with him, had he been unconscious, I should be his legal power of attorney and make care decisions for him. But instead it would have been the doctors who did that.
(on the subject of costing more money... Not true. He was unable to work or care for himself and I was given the time off of work so I could stay home, cook for him, pick him up out of bed and get him to the bathroom and shower him. Had he not had me, his insurance would have covered home care at an extremely high rate, my rate was "free.")
Btw... Had he been unconscious or died in the accident, legally nobody would even be obligated to call me and tell me and I wouldn't have any legal rights over his money or his belongings. I'd be a legal stranger.
Not sure how keeping these protections from us "supports traditional marriage," but it sure does make the Brian Browns of the world feel superior.
DS: Hey everyone, look at me look at me look at me!!!!!!
btw, Of course it costs you something to have closed captioning on your TV. It's not free, and the deaf people don't pay for it.
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well, for the ins group I'm a part of(truck drivers) if they keep eating at the buffet , weighing 300+ lbs and have the usual resulting health problems associated with obesity etc, thats the only thing I can see making MY rates go up.
So how is PoD being able to legally marry going to make your rates go up? You two part of the same group? same plans? Same company?
Nothing stopping them from being insured now, so please, explain in detail how YOUR individual rates will go up. Post the letter from your ins company stating if they are allowed to be leagl we're going to raise your rates by X amount.
I guess I'll just remind everyone that Ryan hasn't only voted against same-sex marriage. He's voted against every single piece of proposed legislation relating to gay rights that's been put in front of him.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
well, for the ins group I'm a part of(truck drivers) if they keep eating at the buffet , weighing 300+ lbs and have the usual resulting health problems associated with obesity etc, thats the only thing I can see making MY rates go up.
So how is PoD being able to legally marry going to make your rates go up? You two part of the same group? same plans? Same company?
Nothing stopping them from being insured now, so please, explain in detail how YOUR individual rates will go up. Post the letter from your ins company stating if they are allowed to be leagl we're going to raise your rates by X amount.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
DS: Hey everyone, look at me look at me look at me!!!!!!
btw, Of course it costs you something to have closed captioning on your TV. It's not free, and the deaf people don't pay for it.
I'm not asking for attention...just putting my viewpoint out there. If people are allowed to voice their opinions on a public forum...so am I. If people don;t want responses...don't post here. Unfortunately I can't do something as dramatic as swallowing a hot dog whole so I'll just stick with the facts.
I guess I'll just remind everyone that Ryan hasn't only voted against same-sex marriage. He's voted against every single piece of proposed legislation relating to gay rights that's been put in front of him.
Well, that's just it. It's not just marriage we're talking about but keeping people from being fired for their sexual orientation. Keeping people out of the military, keeping parents from having access to their children.
Keeping it legal to bully kids so long as you're doing it because god would have wanted it that way.
DS: Hey everyone, look at me look at me look at me!!!!!!
btw, Of course it costs you something to have closed captioning on your TV. It's not free, and the deaf people don't pay for it.
I'm not asking for attention...just putting my viewpoint out there. If people are allowed to voice their opinions on a public forum...so am I. If people don;t want responses...don't post here. Unfortunately I can't do something as dramatic as swallowing a hot dog whole so I'll just stick with the facts.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I guess I'll just remind everyone that Ryan hasn't only voted against same-sex marriage. He's voted against every single piece of proposed legislation relating to gay rights that's been put in front of him.
And Obama voted for the slaughter and consumption of horses. Don't leave that one out. Public record...look it up.
DS: Hey everyone, look at me look at me look at me!!!!!!
btw, Of course it costs you something to have closed captioning on your TV. It's not free, and the deaf people don't pay for it.
I'm not asking for attention...just putting my viewpoint out there. If people are allowed to voice their opinions on a public forum...so am I. If people don;t want responses...don't post here. Unfortunately I can't do something as dramatic as swallowing a hot dog whole so I'll just stick with the facts.
you mean your opinion.
Ha, yeah, science would be the facts. Something he doesn't agree with.
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In a democracy the majority rules correct? Unless they have restrucured government since I went to school.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I would say you as referring to people that believe in religoun as being ignorant...is quite ignorant actually.
Majority rules. There are no laws about people leaving the country if they choose.
I like to be able to sleep in on Mondays but I can't. I feel I'm being discriminated against.
Also, the most votes for someone doesn't always mean an election is won (I don't mean voter fraud - sometimes the most seats isn't the same as the most individual votes).
Also, the USA isn't really a democracy (It's functions as a Republic, really)
Having closed captioning on my TV doesn't cost me anything.
I am seriously lost on what point of view you are trying to express at this point.
Sounds like your belief of marriage is more of a spiritual or religious one than a political one.
I guess fuck the whole other part that speak about majority rules then correct?
Wait, let me digest this
Way ahead of you.
100% believe. Why would I want anything that will cost me money. Makes zero sense.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I know you have been ignoring me. You can't justify any of the BS that you have been posting.
Are you happy about your insurance costs going up to appease at best estimates 4% of the population? I'm not.
So how is PoD being able to legally marry going to make your rates go up? You two part of the same group? same plans? Same company?
Nothing stopping them from being insured now, so please, explain in detail how YOUR individual rates will go up. Post the letter from your ins company stating if they are allowed to be leagl we're going to raise your rates by X amount.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
While we don't care about or need the approval of anyone who doesn't "agree" with our union (I've never understood what they mean by "agree"), I've told many stories of how legally we need the same recognition. I was offered a great job last year in another city and had to turn it down... My husband is Canadian and on a T1 Visa, meaning that if he doesn't have a job he has 8 days to leave the country. While we could have afforded to move to the new city and have him look for work when we got here, legally... That's not allowed.
If we were an opposite-sex couple I could have sponsored him for a green card and citizenship. He'd be a full American by now.
When he was in his motorcycle accident a couple years ago, I was the one who rushed to the hospital to be with him, had he been unconscious, I should be his legal power of attorney and make care decisions for him. But instead it would have been the doctors who did that.
(on the subject of costing more money... Not true. He was unable to work or care for himself and I was given the time off of work so I could stay home, cook for him, pick him up out of bed and get him to the bathroom and shower him. Had he not had me, his insurance would have covered home care at an extremely high rate, my rate was "free.")
Btw... Had he been unconscious or died in the accident, legally nobody would even be obligated to call me and tell me and I wouldn't have any legal rights over his money or his belongings. I'd be a legal stranger.
Not sure how keeping these protections from us "supports traditional marriage," but it sure does make the Brian Browns of the world feel superior.
btw, Of course it costs you something to have closed captioning on your TV. It's not free, and the deaf people don't pay for it.
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I'm not asking for attention...just putting my viewpoint out there. If people are allowed to voice their opinions on a public forum...so am I. If people don;t want responses...don't post here. Unfortunately I can't do something as dramatic as swallowing a hot dog whole so I'll just stick with the facts.
Well, that's just it. It's not just marriage we're talking about but keeping people from being fired for their sexual orientation. Keeping people out of the military, keeping parents from having access to their children.
Keeping it legal to bully kids so long as you're doing it because god would have wanted it that way.
Fucking brutal.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
And Obama voted for the slaughter and consumption of horses. Don't leave that one out. Public record...look it up.
Ha, yeah, science would be the facts. Something he doesn't agree with.