i would say these are the primary reasons for crime:
ignorance
oppression
prosperity gap
entitlement
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Great thread and idea for all of our thoughts on this subject. Well they are many factors as to the root cases to crime here in America and around the world.
I would say:
Television; how children become desensitized with the 1000's of murders seen on TV (video games involving killings)
Socio-economic destitution
Lack of recreational activities for our teens
Lack of parental guidance who may tend to join gangs for attention and to be part of something unique.
To some crime is easy from selling drugs to bank robbery to stealing gas.
I hope someday crime can come to an end or at least come to a blip on our radar screen.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I remember reading that Martin Bryant, who killed 35 people in Australia had an IQ of 66, putting him in the mild mental retardation range. Some reports said he may have been on the autism spectrum.
The latest neuroscience research is presenting intriguing evidence that the brains of certain kinds of criminals are different from those of the rest of the population.
While these findings could improve our understanding of criminal behavior, they also raise moral quandaries about whether and how society should use this knowledge to combat crime.
Godfather.
This article is really interesting. The question for me is were these people born with different neurology, or did they experience something in their environment (early severe trauma) that impacted a predisposition. I would love to see more research on that. Thank you for sharing this.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
The latest neuroscience research is presenting intriguing evidence that the brains of certain kinds of criminals are different from those of the rest of the population.
While these findings could improve our understanding of criminal behavior, they also raise moral quandaries about whether and how society should use this knowledge to combat crime.
Godfather.
Very cool article, thanks for sharing.
And G, you roll with a tough group dude! :shock:
The latest neuroscience research is presenting intriguing evidence that the brains of certain kinds of criminals are different from those of the rest of the population.
While these findings could improve our understanding of criminal behavior, they also raise moral quandaries about whether and how society should use this knowledge to combat crime.
Godfather.
There is more and more talk about this. I remember my grandmother saying that one of her brothers' was 'born bad' (compared to the 6 siblings). Could it be the 'old' way of saying this?
But a you say G. - how would society use this knowledge. Would this person be 'branded' from the start and 'outcast' or would help be there (assuming this person would want help - if not, would it be manadatory) Scary thought just there...
In addition, the SPLC has documented a powerful resurgence of the antigovernment “Patriot” movement, which in the 1990s led to a string of domestic terrorist plots, including the Oklahoma City bombing. The number of Patriot groups, including armed militias, grew by 755 percent in the first three years of the Obama administration – from 149 at the end of 2008 to 1,274 in 2011.
I looked at the criteria of what is considered the Patriot movement and it is very vast. It ranges from armed militias to someone who supports Ron Paul or is a quasi-libertarian. A good number of posters on this board along with myself fall under the Patriot movement based on that criteria.
I would be more interested to see the rise in armed militias only. Or better yet, how about the rise in hate groups.
There will always be an element of crime- people have a natural disposition to violence. Go to the pub on Saturday and watch men and women cheer MMA or watch the heads turn as people drive by an accident scene as support for this notion. As has already been mentioned, there will always be criminals (the angered and jealous husband, the drug dealer, the sociopath, etc.). Motivation to commit a crime might be simple for some and highly complex for others.
Regardless, I think we should try to figure out remedies. As radical as I might sound and as much as a bandaid that it might be, I believe in severe penalties attached to violent criminals. Pandora offered a brutal piece on reoffending. I don't think these people should have had the chance to reoffend. Simple as that. You raped a woman at knifepoint... go rot.
On the proactive side- and not so much a bandaid- we need to invest heavily in our youth. Schools need to be great, teachers need to be great, and youth programming needs to be kicked up a couple of notches (to say the least). Kids need access to warm, caring and influential adults- especially when they don''t have access to such in their own homes. They also need access to programming when their family's resources have typically prevented them from participation. When children are at their most influential age, we have our best chance to make a positive and lasting impact.
If it were up to me, less money feeding rapists, fewer counselling sessions for murderers, and no isolation cells and cable television for pedophiles. More money given to schools, teachers, after school programs and (sadly) intensive therapy sessions for those moments when a child has been violated (before we lose them).
The current system has us treating the root of evil 'after the fact' (incarceration and rehabilitation). Why wait to extend our efforts?
The latest neuroscience research is presenting intriguing evidence that the brains of certain kinds of criminals are different from those of the rest of the population.
While these findings could improve our understanding of criminal behavior, they also raise moral quandaries about whether and how society should use this knowledge to combat crime.
Godfather.
There is more and more talk about this. I remember my grandmother saying that one of her brothers' was 'born bad' (compared to the 6 siblings). Could it be the 'old' way of saying this?
But a you say G. - how would society use this knowledge. Would this person be 'branded' from the start and 'outcast' or would help be there (assuming this person would want help - if not, would it be manadatory) Scary thought just there...
I'm thinking it's the beginning of a slow start, the brain is a very dellicate and powerful thing and resurch is really hard to do but what has been discovered is steps in the right direction to help or possibly cure some mental illness's or even criminal behaivior....not really yet but I believe it will happen.
The latest neuroscience research is presenting intriguing evidence that the brains of certain kinds of criminals are different from those of the rest of the population.
While these findings could improve our understanding of criminal behavior, they also raise moral quandaries about whether and how society should use this knowledge to combat crime.
Godfather.
Very cool article, thanks for sharing.
And G, you roll with a tough group dude! :shock:
There will always be an element of crime- people have a natural disposition to violence. Go to the pub on Saturday and watch men and women cheer MMA or watch the heads turn as people drive by an accident scene as support for this notion. As has already been mentioned, there will always be criminals (the angered and jealous husband, the drug dealer, the sociopath, etc.). Motivation to commit a crime might be simple for some and highly complex for others.
Regardless, I think we should try to figure out remedies. As radical as I might sound and as much as a bandaid that it might be, I believe in severe penalties attached to violent criminals. Pandora offered a brutal piece on reoffending. I don't think these people should have had the chance to reoffend. Simple as that. You raped a woman at knifepoint... go rot.
On the proactive side- and not so much a bandaid- we need to invest heavily in our youth. Schools need to be great, teachers need to be great, and youth programming needs to be kicked up a couple of notches (to say the least). Kids need access to warm, caring and influential adults- especially when they don''t have access to such in their own homes. They also need access to programming when their family's resources have typically prevented them from participation. When children are at their most influential age, we have our best chance to make a positive and lasting impact.
If it were up to me, less money feeding rapists, fewer counselling sessions for murderers, and no isolation cells and cable television for pedophiles. More money given to schools, teachers, after school programs and (sadly) intensive therapy sessions for those moments when a child has been violated (before we lose them).
The current system has us treating the root of evil 'after the fact' (incarceration and rehabilitation). Why wait to extend our efforts?
Strong comments here too, most of which I agree with. Well-said!
In addition, the SPLC has documented a powerful resurgence of the antigovernment “Patriot” movement, which in the 1990s led to a string of domestic terrorist plots, including the Oklahoma City bombing. The number of Patriot groups, including armed militias, grew by 755 percent in the first three years of the Obama administration – from 149 at the end of 2008 to 1,274 in 2011.
I looked at the criteria of what is considered the Patriot movement and it is very vast. It ranges from armed militias to someone who supports Ron Paul or is a quasi-libertarian. A good number of posters on this board along with myself fall under the Patriot movement based on that criteria.
I would be more interested to see the rise in armed militias only. Or better yet, how about the rise in hate groups.
Yep. Guess I'm a terrorist too... hope they don't look at my Twitter.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
dad was a correctional officer for roughly 30 years or so. dad always said if it wasn't for alcohol & drug abuse he wouldn't have a job. yes, some monsters do not require booze or dope to commit murders & rape and such but dad would say those maniacs are far and few between.
most folks in prison are sitting there due to being drunk or high as shit whilst committing their crimes.
This article is really interesting. The question for me is were these people born with different neurology, or did they experience something in their environment (early severe trauma) that impacted a predisposition. I would love to see more research on that. Thank you for sharing this.
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This is what I was thinking...
If someone is wired as someone who would be profiled as a potential killer was brought up in a loving, supportive environment, whould he/she be a risk to the public at large? Also, if a so-called, 'normal' person was raised in a violent environment, does that mean he/she is a potential risk?
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This article is really interesting. The question for me is were these people born with different neurology, or did they experience something in their environment (early severe trauma) that impacted a predisposition. I would love to see more research on that. Thank you for sharing this.
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This is what I was thinking...
If someone is wired as someone who would be profiled as a potential killer was brought up in a loving, supportive environment, whould he/she be a risk to the public at large? Also, if a so-called, 'normal' person was raised in a violent environment, does that mean he/she is a potential risk?
I would love to do research on this topic. It's really interesting stuff. There is a lot of research showing that people who present with Borderline Personality Disorder (typically people who have endured chronic trauma and victimization) experience changes to their brain and how they process and respond to potential threats to their safety later in life (typically fairly neutral situations that they feel are threatening - mostly to their emotional safety). I've seen a lot of research about how problems with early attachment changes the brains of those who present as victims, but not much on those who present as the perpetrators.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
This article is really interesting. The question for me is were these people born with different neurology, or did they experience something in their environment (early severe trauma) that impacted a predisposition. I would love to see more research on that. Thank you for sharing this.
...
This is what I was thinking...
If someone is wired as someone who would be profiled as a potential killer was brought up in a loving, supportive environment, whould he/she be a risk to the public at large? Also, if a so-called, 'normal' person was raised in a violent environment, does that mean he/she is a potential risk?
Nature versus nurture theory. Interesting.
I certainly believe that the environment has it's part to play in all of this (thus the need to really focus on the young ones) but not sure it all either/or. I believe that you are 'wired' the way you are (having worked in a school and seen some examples with siblings). Nurturing will enable certain traits to develop above others - hopefully the 'acceptable behaviour' ones, and will also help to recognise certain traits and teach kids how to deal with them. But then again, it's not my field so these are just feelings. It's certainly a very interesting thing to look into.
As TBU said, we need to invest in our youth. Not just from a 'teaching' (whether academic, values, etc.) point of view, but also invest in their future - training, jobs, etc. Without the hope of a future, it can be downhill for some (not just youth). Disaffection causing alienation to the 'rest of them', resentment, etc. can affect the mind of people and lead to crime, drugs, etc. Looking at crime/drugs, I believe in rehabilitation. Sure, some can't be rehabilitated but I'm sure a lot of those 'petty criminals' could be with the right environment and especially outlook for the future (which, I know, is quite gloom at the moment). Get druggies OFF their drugs (and not into methadone programmes - another band-aid, doesn't look at the cause of the addiction, just masks it with another), get uneducated kids educated.
I would love to do research on this topic. It's really interesting stuff. There is a lot of research showing that people who present with Borderline Personality Disorder (typically people who have endured chronic trauma and victimization) experience changes to their brain and how they process and respond to potential threats to their safety later in life (typically fairly neutral situations that they feel are threatening - mostly to their emotional safety). I've seen a lot of research about how problems with early attachment changes the brains of those who present as victims, but not much on those who present as the perpetrators.
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And it's not just childhood upbringing... aren't there kids in High School that get bullied and come in as shoot the place up? Are they all wired as psychotic or have horrible parents? Same thing with the so-called, 'Disgruntled Employee' that goes berserk and shoots up the office. He might have made it through childhood, high school and college just fine, but, landed a job with shitty bosses and/or co-workers.
Thing is... I believe there are way too many variables to nail down who is going to flip out... and who is not.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I would love to do research on this topic. It's really interesting stuff. There is a lot of research showing that people who present with Borderline Personality Disorder (typically people who have endured chronic trauma and victimization) experience changes to their brain and how they process and respond to potential threats to their safety later in life (typically fairly neutral situations that they feel are threatening - mostly to their emotional safety). I've seen a lot of research about how problems with early attachment changes the brains of those who present as victims, but not much on those who present as the perpetrators.
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And it's not just childhood upbringing... aren't there kids in High School that get bullied and come in as shoot the place up? Are they all wired as psychotic or have horrible parents? Same thing with the so-called, 'Disgruntled Employee' that goes berserk and shoots up the office. He might have made it through childhood, high school and college just fine, but, landed a job with shitty bosses and/or co-workers.
Thing is... I believe there are way too many variables to nail down who is going to flip out... and who is not.
There are really so many variables that go into figuring out who is going to act out one way and who won't. Experiences across our lifetime change our brain, but definitely so very early on when our personalities are still developing. That's what I find so interesting about the Columbine shooters - they seemed to come from very "normal" supportive families; there were definitely some behavioral cues that were missed, but nothing that would indicate they would shoot up their school (aside from the videos that were discovered after the fact." The people who generate the most concern may go on to do nothing...maybe because they get intervention?
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
There are really so many variables that go into figuring out who is going to act out one way and who won't. Experiences across our lifetime change our brain, but definitely so very early on when our personalities are still developing. That's what I find so interesting about the Columbine shooters - they seemed to come from very "normal" supportive families; there were definitely some behavioral cues that were missed, but nothing that would indicate they would shoot up their school (aside from the videos that were discovered after the fact." The people who generate the most concern may go on to do nothing...maybe because they get intervention?
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Regarding the Columbine kids... were they bullied at that school? If so, were some of the kids murdered the ones who bullied them?
Not saying the bullies deserved to die, but do their action contribute, in any way, to people going berserk?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
There are really so many variables that go into figuring out who is going to act out one way and who won't. Experiences across our lifetime change our brain, but definitely so very early on when our personalities are still developing. That's what I find so interesting about the Columbine shooters - they seemed to come from very "normal" supportive families; there were definitely some behavioral cues that were missed, but nothing that would indicate they would shoot up their school (aside from the videos that were discovered after the fact." The people who generate the most concern may go on to do nothing...maybe because they get intervention?
...
Regarding the Columbine kids... were they bullied at that school? If so, were some of the kids murdered the ones who bullied them?
Not saying the bullies deserved to die, but do their action contribute, in any way, to people going berserk?
From what I've read, the reports of bullying were overblown. There may have been more bullying when they were younger, but all of those kids had already graduated. They expressed feeling "left out" by their peers in some of their journals and writings. That being said, I've seen people who are impacted by bullying decades later. I'm sure any kind of trauma can impact how you see yourself and the world.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
From what I've read, the reports of bullying were overblown. There may have been more bullying when they were younger, but all of those kids had already graduated. They expressed feeling "left out" by their peers in some of their journals and writings. That being said, I've seen people who are impacted by bullying decades later. I'm sure any kind of trauma can impact how you see yourself and the world.
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I wonder... how do the people who remember bullying those kids feel about the outcome?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
As I was reading through the posts about causation and what could trigger these events later in life, couldn't ANYTHING have that kind of effect? Divorce, being molested, losing a parent, a major injury. As CBG mentioned the many variables, they seem endless to me because it could be not just one experience but a combination that could take someone to that point.
And it's not just childhood upbringing... aren't there kids in High School that get bullied and come in as shoot the place up? Are they all wired as psychotic or have horrible parents? Same thing with the so-called, 'Disgruntled Employee' that goes berserk and shoots up the office. He might have made it through childhood, high school and college just fine, but, landed a job with shitty bosses and/or co-workers.
Thing is... I believe there are way too many variables to nail down who is going to flip out... and who is not.
or perfectly fine coworkers and bosses who they perceive as shitty
There are definitely warning signs to flipping out,
as in the case of pretty much all the shooters we are having of late.
Wanting to go out in a blaze of glory, hurt a society that has hurt them is nothing new.
Its been around pretty much my whole life.
It's basic, it builds in copycat form and we are going to see much more
with the unbelievable stresses people are living their lives under.
The loss of jobs, the need for aid, the loss of homes, credit.
People are going to become more hopeless and angry.
As I was reading through the posts about causation and what could trigger these events later in life, couldn't ANYTHING have that kind of effect? Divorce, being molested, losing a parent, a major injury. As CBG mentioned the many variables, they seem endless to me because it could be not just one experience but a combination that could take someone to that point.
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That's it. Anything can cause someone to flip out. Normally sane people doing completely insane things.
For example, pressures at work... especially during times when clinging to your job is difficult and the thought of losing it creates high stress and anxiety. Add a hostile working environment and all bets are off.
I think in 99.9% of those cases, people don't go bonkers... it's that .1% that goes Postal that we have to all worry about.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
From what I've read, the reports of bullying were overblown. There may have been more bullying when they were younger, but all of those kids had already graduated. They expressed feeling "left out" by their peers in some of their journals and writings. That being said, I've seen people who are impacted by bullying decades later. I'm sure any kind of trauma can impact how you see yourself and the world.
...
I wonder... how do the people who remember bullying those kids feel about the outcome?
That would have to be a real hard pill to swallow...like when teens have bullied other teens into committing suicide (ie. Phoebe Prince). Sometimes even after the fact they seem to show little remorse, but I wonder if that's a defense mechanism and false bravado.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
As I was reading through the posts about causation and what could trigger these events later in life, couldn't ANYTHING have that kind of effect? Divorce, being molested, losing a parent, a major injury. As CBG mentioned the many variables, they seem endless to me because it could be not just one experience but a combination that could take someone to that point.
That's where I think having a predisposition would come into play...some people are just naturally more resilient than others. Some people can go through the most extreme situations and go on to thrive; others will suffer a lifetime from a more minor incident.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Comments
ignorance
oppression
prosperity gap
entitlement
I would say:
Television; how children become desensitized with the 1000's of murders seen on TV (video games involving killings)
Socio-economic destitution
Lack of recreational activities for our teens
Lack of parental guidance who may tend to join gangs for attention and to be part of something unique.
To some crime is easy from selling drugs to bank robbery to stealing gas.
I hope someday crime can come to an end or at least come to a blip on our radar screen.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
This article is really interesting. The question for me is were these people born with different neurology, or did they experience something in their environment (early severe trauma) that impacted a predisposition. I would love to see more research on that. Thank you for sharing this.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Very cool article, thanks for sharing.
And G, you roll with a tough group dude! :shock:
There is more and more talk about this. I remember my grandmother saying that one of her brothers' was 'born bad' (compared to the 6 siblings). Could it be the 'old' way of saying this?
But a you say G. - how would society use this knowledge. Would this person be 'branded' from the start and 'outcast' or would help be there (assuming this person would want help - if not, would it be manadatory) Scary thought just there...
I would be more interested to see the rise in armed militias only. Or better yet, how about the rise in hate groups.
There will always be an element of crime- people have a natural disposition to violence. Go to the pub on Saturday and watch men and women cheer MMA or watch the heads turn as people drive by an accident scene as support for this notion. As has already been mentioned, there will always be criminals (the angered and jealous husband, the drug dealer, the sociopath, etc.). Motivation to commit a crime might be simple for some and highly complex for others.
Regardless, I think we should try to figure out remedies. As radical as I might sound and as much as a bandaid that it might be, I believe in severe penalties attached to violent criminals. Pandora offered a brutal piece on reoffending. I don't think these people should have had the chance to reoffend. Simple as that. You raped a woman at knifepoint... go rot.
On the proactive side- and not so much a bandaid- we need to invest heavily in our youth. Schools need to be great, teachers need to be great, and youth programming needs to be kicked up a couple of notches (to say the least). Kids need access to warm, caring and influential adults- especially when they don''t have access to such in their own homes. They also need access to programming when their family's resources have typically prevented them from participation. When children are at their most influential age, we have our best chance to make a positive and lasting impact.
If it were up to me, less money feeding rapists, fewer counselling sessions for murderers, and no isolation cells and cable television for pedophiles. More money given to schools, teachers, after school programs and (sadly) intensive therapy sessions for those moments when a child has been violated (before we lose them).
The current system has us treating the root of evil 'after the fact' (incarceration and rehabilitation). Why wait to extend our efforts?
I'm thinking it's the beginning of a slow start, the brain is a very dellicate and powerful thing and resurch is really hard to do but what has been discovered is steps in the right direction to help or possibly cure some mental illness's or even criminal behaivior....not really yet but I believe it will happen.
Godfather.
not so much anymore....my wife wont let me
Godfather.
Yep. Guess I'm a terrorist too... hope they don't look at my Twitter.
Legalize/decriminalize drugs... all of them.
Human beings suck. Nothing but a parasite on the earth.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
True that
dad was a correctional officer for roughly 30 years or so. dad always said if it wasn't for alcohol & drug abuse he wouldn't have a job. yes, some monsters do not require booze or dope to commit murders & rape and such but dad would say those maniacs are far and few between.
most folks in prison are sitting there due to being drunk or high as shit whilst committing their crimes.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I would wonder how many law abiding people would go batshit crazy without alcohol or mild drugs.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
crime would be on the rise.....out of boredom
This is what I was thinking...
If someone is wired as someone who would be profiled as a potential killer was brought up in a loving, supportive environment, whould he/she be a risk to the public at large? Also, if a so-called, 'normal' person was raised in a violent environment, does that mean he/she is a potential risk?
Hail, Hail!!!
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Nature versus nurture theory. Interesting.
I certainly believe that the environment has it's part to play in all of this (thus the need to really focus on the young ones) but not sure it all either/or. I believe that you are 'wired' the way you are (having worked in a school and seen some examples with siblings). Nurturing will enable certain traits to develop above others - hopefully the 'acceptable behaviour' ones, and will also help to recognise certain traits and teach kids how to deal with them. But then again, it's not my field so these are just feelings. It's certainly a very interesting thing to look into.
As TBU said, we need to invest in our youth. Not just from a 'teaching' (whether academic, values, etc.) point of view, but also invest in their future - training, jobs, etc. Without the hope of a future, it can be downhill for some (not just youth). Disaffection causing alienation to the 'rest of them', resentment, etc. can affect the mind of people and lead to crime, drugs, etc. Looking at crime/drugs, I believe in rehabilitation. Sure, some can't be rehabilitated but I'm sure a lot of those 'petty criminals' could be with the right environment and especially outlook for the future (which, I know, is quite gloom at the moment). Get druggies OFF their drugs (and not into methadone programmes - another band-aid, doesn't look at the cause of the addiction, just masks it with another), get uneducated kids educated.
So much to do though....
And it's not just childhood upbringing... aren't there kids in High School that get bullied and come in as shoot the place up? Are they all wired as psychotic or have horrible parents? Same thing with the so-called, 'Disgruntled Employee' that goes berserk and shoots up the office. He might have made it through childhood, high school and college just fine, but, landed a job with shitty bosses and/or co-workers.
Thing is... I believe there are way too many variables to nail down who is going to flip out... and who is not.
Hail, Hail!!!
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Regarding the Columbine kids... were they bullied at that school? If so, were some of the kids murdered the ones who bullied them?
Not saying the bullies deserved to die, but do their action contribute, in any way, to people going berserk?
Hail, Hail!!!
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I wonder... how do the people who remember bullying those kids feel about the outcome?
Hail, Hail!!!
As I was reading through the posts about causation and what could trigger these events later in life, couldn't ANYTHING have that kind of effect? Divorce, being molested, losing a parent, a major injury. As CBG mentioned the many variables, they seem endless to me because it could be not just one experience but a combination that could take someone to that point.
There are definitely warning signs to flipping out,
as in the case of pretty much all the shooters we are having of late.
Wanting to go out in a blaze of glory, hurt a society that has hurt them is nothing new.
Its been around pretty much my whole life.
It's basic, it builds in copycat form and we are going to see much more
with the unbelievable stresses people are living their lives under.
The loss of jobs, the need for aid, the loss of homes, credit.
People are going to become more hopeless and angry.
That's it. Anything can cause someone to flip out. Normally sane people doing completely insane things.
For example, pressures at work... especially during times when clinging to your job is difficult and the thought of losing it creates high stress and anxiety. Add a hostile working environment and all bets are off.
I think in 99.9% of those cases, people don't go bonkers... it's that .1% that goes Postal that we have to all worry about.
Hail, Hail!!!
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"