Sikh temple-Wisconsin shooting DOMESTIC TERROR

Godfather.

redrock wrote:

It is a blurred line Godfather. I would put Tim McVeigh in the 'non hate crime' type terrorist attack as his action were definitely politically motivated against the government. It was a government building he bombed, didn't care about race/religion of those inside. He could have probably bombed any other federal building elsewhere. He was 'protesting' against government actions at Waco (and another thing but I forgot). Sure, he had hate in his heart but not directed at the people. So, for me, 'non hate'.

On the other hand, the Twin Towers, for me is a 'hate' terrorist attack. Whilst obviously politically motivated and the terrorists looking to make a 'grand impression', I believe it could only have been held in the US, targeting buildings full of americans (or 'similar'). I don't believe that if buildings existed in the US but full of muslims, such buildings would have been attacked. Thus mega hate in that one.

Very subtle difference and I'm not sure I'm expressing this clearly.

What I would like to add that, in order to perpetrate such acts, one has to have hate in his/her heart - whoever/whatever this hate is aimed at.

To me, this shooting seems 'personal' but, as I said, until we know his motives.....

XLNT explination well said, I agree with you 100%


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Godfather.

ComeToTX wrote:

josevolution wrote:

No matter what all these crimes are done by cowards every single one of them have been cowards , allways against unnarmed civilians .....

gun folks will say we need guns in church now. just like jesus would have wanted... :?

typical....... :? just another form of hate,so you blame or hate all gun owners and even take time to add their Church and beliefs in your rant ? do you and Jose really think all gun owners are like the guy that killed these people ?


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hedonist

Very sad and fucked up situation.

Sad too that anyone expressing sympathy has to be singled out and their words or compassion deemed suspicious and fake.

Such is life these days.

Zoso

can't wait for sarah palin and her crew to blame the pacifists who want more gun control. it's horrible.

ComeToTX

Godfather. wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

josevolution wrote:

No matter what all these crimes are done by cowards every single one of them have been cowards , allways against unnarmed civilians .....

gun folks will say we need guns in church now. just like jesus would have wanted... :?

typical....... :? just another form of hate,so you blame or hate all gun owners and even take time to add their Church and beliefs in your rant ? do you and Jose really think all gun owners are like the guy that killed these people ?


Godfather.

It has nothing to do with the guy. It has to do with the paranoia of MANY gun owners who feel they need to be strapped everywhere they go.

josevolution

Godfather. wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

josevolution wrote:

No matter what all these crimes are done by cowards every single one of them have been cowards , allways against unnarmed civilians .....

gun folks will say we need guns in church now. just like jesus would have wanted... :?

typical....... :? just another form of hate,so you blame or hate all gun owners and even take time to add their Church and beliefs in your rant ? do you and Jose really think all gun owners are like the guy that killed these people ?


Godfather.

No i believe we have way to many guns in this country and not enough regulatory laws in place , but you seem to think the answer is we need more of them that is where we differ .....

Jason P

So very sad. :(

Godfather.

still the paranoid are out numbered by the responsible gun owners...just had a thought..
there might be more or as many regestered guns than cars in America..maybe ? maybe not ?
and I'm willing to bet that more people die in car related accidents than by guns, what do you think...maybe ?

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Prince Of Dorkness

Godfather. wrote:

still the paranoid are out numbered by the responsible gun owners...just had a thought..
there might be more or as many regestered guns than cars in America..maybe ? maybe not ?
and I'm willing to bet that more people die in car related accidents than by guns, what do you think...maybe ?

Godfather.

I think we make people prove they can operate a car before we license them to use one and if they show they can't responsibly operate them, we take that license away.

redrock

The car thing (and toaster and jet ski and....) has been done ad nauseam in the other thread. Maybe we can have this one without?

EmBleve

hedonist wrote:

Very sad and fucked up situation.

Sad too that anyone expressing sympathy has to be singled out and their words or compassion deemed suspicious and fake.

Such is life these days.

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gimmesometruth27

redrock wrote:

The car thing (and toaster and jet ski and....) has been done ad nauseam in the other thread. Maybe we can have this one without?

good luck with that

diversion is the debate technique du jour

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Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

still the paranoid are out numbered by the responsible gun owners...just had a thought..
there might be more or as many regestered guns than cars in America..maybe ? maybe not ?
and I'm willing to bet that more people die in car related accidents than by guns, what do you think...maybe ?

Godfather.

I think we make people prove they can operate a car before we license them to use one and if they show they can't responsibly operate them, we take that license away.

wellllll I just googled it and it seems guns now kill more than cars oooop's

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Zoso

Godfather. wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

still the paranoid are out numbered by the responsible gun owners...just had a thought..
there might be more or as many regestered guns than cars in America..maybe ? maybe not ?
and I'm willing to bet that more people die in car related accidents than by guns, what do you think...maybe ?

Godfather.

I think we make people prove they can operate a car before we license them to use one and if they show they can't responsibly operate them, we take that license away.

wellllll I just googled it and it seems guns now kill more than cars oooop's

Godfather.

either way it doesn't matter.. cars have an inherent reason to be around.. guns only to kill.

mickeyrat

Godfather. wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

still the paranoid are out numbered by the responsible gun owners...just had a thought..
there might be more or as many regestered guns than cars in America..maybe ? maybe not ?
and I'm willing to bet that more people die in car related accidents than by guns, what do you think...maybe ?

Godfather.

I think we make people prove they can operate a car before we license them to use one and if they show they can't responsibly operate them, we take that license away.

wellllll I just googled it and it seems guns now kill more than cars oooop's

Godfather.

one thing to consider with this line of thought GF is the # of of owners of each. I would think you find a significant # of gun owners own mulitple , 2+ guns , where as there are more single car owners.

redrock

Whilst this shooting does question ease of access to guns, it raises different questions/points to the Aurora shooting. For me, both nutters (yep, I use that term) that shouldn't have been able to purchase guns due to various issues but motivation for the killing is very different. One seemingly without real motivation but the other driven by racial hatred (it would seem, especially if he was part of a group). Two different 'root' issues that need to be tackled but with the 'running' issue of gun laws/control.

redrock

Godfather. wrote:

wellllll I just googled it and it seems guns now kill more than cars oooop's

Godfather.

Made me chuckle. Not the fact of deaths by guns or cars but your realisation!

josevolution

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

still the paranoid are out numbered by the responsible gun owners...just had a thought..
there might be more or as many regestered guns than cars in America..maybe ? maybe not ?
and I'm willing to bet that more people die in car related accidents than by guns, what do you think...maybe ?

Godfather.

I think we make people prove they can operate a car before we license them to use one and if they show they can't responsibly operate them, we take that license away.

This , as i know it there isn't any test that you have to take to purchase any guns just have to have the $$$$$$ , so if you purchase a gun when you are 21 yrs old and then decide to purchase more weapons when you are 55 you don't have to take any test to see if your mentally stable ....

Godfather.

Mickeyrat-good point.

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Jason P

Now that this has been classified as Domestic Terrorism, the Patriot Act will kick in and the hate groups this asshole was associated with will now by under the watch of The Great Eye.