Sikh temple-Wisconsin shooting DOMESTIC TERROR
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One of the temple's committee members, Ven Boba Ri, told the Journal Sentinel that the shooting was very sad, and he has been fielding calls all morning from around the world, including India.
"Sikhism is such a peaceful religion. We have suffered for generations, in India and even here."
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Mitt Romney released a statement. "This was a senseless act of violence and a tragedy that should never befall any house of worship," Romney said. "Our hearts are with the victims, their families, and the entire Oak Creek Sikh community. We join Americans everywhere in mourning those who lost their lives and in prayer for healing in the difficult days ahead."
"Sikhism is such a peaceful religion. We have suffered for generations, in India and even here."
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Mitt Romney released a statement. "This was a senseless act of violence and a tragedy that should never befall any house of worship," Romney said. "Our hearts are with the victims, their families, and the entire Oak Creek Sikh community. We join Americans everywhere in mourning those who lost their lives and in prayer for healing in the difficult days ahead."
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But what does he propose to do so that this 'senseless act of violence' doesn't happen again (and again, and again...)?
He says an act of domestic terrorism? Is that what a hate crime is called now?
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Then his team said "fuck, I hope we don't have to go through another gun control debate. Let's make a stink about how much money the Mars thing cost." Romney was too busy practicing his smile in the mirror to take part in that meeting."
because the victims were of a different nationality?
I did not understand the use of that term.
For me this appears to be a hate crime but maybe they know something else.
Got to hear some talk about what the religion is, etc. And it made me think, yet again, that religions are just weird. I mean, wearing turban because you don't cut your hair? Really? Not cutting your hair gets you a better seat in the afterlife???? What????
I said, I was watching coverage of the incident and they had on one of the religious leaders to talk about their religion. I just found it really odd, like all other religions I guess. But not cutting your hair was the one that really stood out as completely stupid. Just found it interesting and weird. Suppose it should be in another thread about religions being weird though.
As far as the shooting goes, I'm sure the shooter was suffering from a mental illness and we as a society failed to provide him the help he needed. That poor shooter, I can;t believe what we did to him. :fp:
Ah got you and i agree poor shooter :fp:
what should he do ? and all terrorest attacks are hate related don't ya think ? twin towers..they didn't attack us because they love us right ? is the hate lable only given to white terroest or criminals ?
just asking because I can see where this thread will end up.
Godfather.
any place of worship ?
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I understand this person may have been a white supremacist - a racist. Certainly one with 'precedent'.
Also: "Special Agent Thomas Ahern, of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, told ABC News that Page had tattoos which might suggest the attack was a hate crime.
But a member of the temple told CNN the attacker had a 9/11 tattoo on one arm."
I guess whether it's an act of terrorism or a hate crime will depend on his motivation (but how will one be sure since he is dead). Maybe he thought Sikhs were muslims (after all they have dark skin, dress and talk 'funny') and his tattoos may be quite telling.
I'm sure a lot more will be known in the next few days.
And I don't know what the government is willing to do about these shootings...
Edit - Press conference is about to start. He was reportedly discharged from the army for a "pattern of misconduct" and recently legally purchased the semi-automatic he used in the shooting.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I understand what you are saying it's just a little bit of a stretch for me to believe that a crime like terrorism is not linked to hate in some way or at least the terrorism we have been dealing with lately.
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so just another "responsible gun owner" until yesterday morning?
racist ex-army...sounds like a mcveigh wannabe.
sounds like a guy on a power trip
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
On the other hand, the Twin Towers, for me is a 'hate' terrorist attack. Whilst obviously politically motivated and the terrorists looking to make a 'grand impression', I believe it could only have been held in the US, targeting buildings full of americans (or 'similar'). I don't believe that if buildings existed in the US but full of muslims, such buildings would have been attacked. Thus mega hate in that one.
Very subtle difference and I'm not sure I'm expressing this clearly.
What I would like to add that, in order to perpetrate such acts, one has to have hate in his/her heart - whoever/whatever this hate is aimed at.
To me, this shooting seems 'personal' but, as I said, until we know his motives.....
gun folks will say we need guns in church now. just like jesus would have wanted... :?
I know and in no way do i fall in that camp , i say the least amount of guns in our country the safer all citizens would be ...Fuck guns they hold one purpose ....
XLNT explination well said, I agree with you 100%
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typical....... :? just another form of hate,so you blame or hate all gun owners and even take time to add their Church and beliefs in your rant ? do you and Jose really think all gun owners are like the guy that killed these people ?
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Sad too that anyone expressing sympathy has to be singled out and their words or compassion deemed suspicious and fake.
Such is life these days.
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It has nothing to do with the guy. It has to do with the paranoia of MANY gun owners who feel they need to be strapped everywhere they go.
No i believe we have way to many guns in this country and not enough regulatory laws in place , but you seem to think the answer is we need more of them that is where we differ .....
there might be more or as many regestered guns than cars in America..maybe ? maybe not ?
and I'm willing to bet that more people die in car related accidents than by guns, what do you think...maybe ?
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I think we make people prove they can operate a car before we license them to use one and if they show they can't responsibly operate them, we take that license away.