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HesCalledDyer

Indifference71 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

darwinstheory said:

I wanted Girardi. 
I am a Kris Bryant guy.
I wonder the impact Ross will have on keeping/trading KB (as has been rumored).

I expect nothing out of a Ross led team with a bullpen like they have. There are other issues to be sure, but can they entirely re-vamp a bullpen in a single offseason?

If they trade KB, then I'll personally start the #FireTheo and #FireJed hashtags.  About the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard.  The fact that it's even a talking point pisses me off.  That's your franchise guy that YOU drafted, you fucking shmucks!  Your Rookie of the Year, your Most Valuable Player, your World Series Champion.

If Ross can play a hand in convincing those dumbasses that Bryant's worth keeping, he'll have his first managerial victory before he takes the field.

I'm shocked by the amount of Cubs fans that want them to trade Bryant.  A 27 year old with that type of talent is not a guy that comes along too often.  Crazy.

It's mind-boggling.

bbiggs

KB will walk in free agency anyway.  I think the mindset of many fans is to trade and get some value in return.  With the way the Cubs handled calling him up from the minors, it seems doubtful that he’s willing to give any home town discounts, or that he has a strong desire to stay. 

HesCalledDyer

bbiggs said:

KB will walk in free agency anyway.  I think the mindset of many fans is to trade and get some value in return.  With the way the Cubs handled calling him up from the minors, it seems doubtful that he’s willing to give any home town discounts, or that he has a strong desire to stay. 

That's just a narrative the media wants everyone to think.  He hasn't done anything to suggest he doesn't want to stay there.

bbiggs

^ Agreed, but Boras is his agent. He will fuel that fire. 

bbiggs

KB has made some public comments about his displeasure with his calling up. I don’t recall his exact words, but he did not appreciate it. Whether or not he’s holding a grudge, anybody’s guess I suppose. 

Indifference71

bbiggs said:

KB has made some public comments about his displeasure with his calling up. I don’t recall his exact words, but he did not appreciate it. Whether or not he’s holding a grudge, anybody’s guess I suppose. 

He's for sure holding a grudge.  The grievance that he filed back in 2015 regarding all that is finally being heard this week.  I know that the service time manipulation is allowed within the CBA but the whole thing is still nonsense.  I don't want the white sox doing any of that crap because of situations like KB is in....I sure as hell wouldn't forget about that when it came time to free agency if a team did that to me..  I think the whole service time thing is going to cause a players strike unless the owners make some huge concessions.  And I'll be 100% on the players side.

darwinstheory

Read today that the Cubs were looking at Josh Lindblom. But he's apparently too expensive and the Cubs are looking to trim payroll. Also read that Castellanos is essentially out of the equation (due to aforementioned payroll cutting). Things seem a little too bleak on the north side these days.

But 2016 was still worth it!

HesCalledDyer

Castellanos doesn't fit on the team.  The outfield with him in right & Heyward in center was god awful defensively.  Don't overpay someone based on a 2 month sample size.  The same people that hate deals like Heyward's & Darvish's are also the same ones who want to hand a blank check to Castellanos.

Kris Bryant isn't holding a grudge.  Stop paying attention to the media.  Everyone in sportstalk wants soooooooooooooo badly for the Cubs to trade KB and that's all it is. Media persuasion.  The grievance filed is to set precedent for future handling or similar situations and to possibly change the rule to favor the players more in a futue CBA.

bbiggs

^ It was reported by a credible news source that the Cubs are discussing a deal involving KB with the Phillies. Can post link later. Very early, high level talks, but still shows its in the range of potential outcomes for him to be gone in 2020. We’ll see. 

darwinstheory

^fuck

And \/ 

bbiggs

HesCalledDyer

I will personally find Theo & Jed and punch them both in the fucking nutsack.  They will be fucking dead to me if they trade KB.  Fucking media gets their fucking way again.

HesCalledDyer

Especially if they trade him to that fucking shithole.

DewieCox

Media gets their way?

HesCalledDyer

Pushing the narrative. It happens all the time.

darwinstheory

I don't like the idea of trading KB. If he walks after 2021 as a FA for a mega deal then fine. But I just don't like letting him go right now. Especially when all the teams that are reportedly interested are in the friggin NL. 

darwinstheory

HesCalledDyer said:

Castellanos doesn't fit on the team.  The outfield with him in right & Heyward in center was god awful defensively.  Don't overpay someone based on a 2 month sample size.  The same people that hate deals like Heyward's & Darvish's are also the same ones who want to hand a blank check to Castellanos.

Kris Bryant isn't holding a grudge.  Stop paying attention to the media.  Everyone in sportstalk wants soooooooooooooo badly for the Cubs to trade KB and that's all it is. Media persuasion.  The grievance filed is to set precedent for future handling or similar situations and to possibly change the rule to favor the players more in a futue CBA.

The biggest point in my post was: as the winter meetings kick off, the Cubs have been in talks with Josh Lindblom. And he appears to be too expensive for them as they are shedding payroll. Josh Lindblom everyone. Who the fuck is that and how fucking alarming is it that they cannot afford him?

Now. Into the meetings, and the only rumors I have heard are still related to KB. Quite frustrating. 

But I remember that unseasonably warm evening in Cleveland in November of 2016. Can't take that away from me!

HesCalledDyer

Seeing report that Hoyer mentioned they are not considering anything less than absurdity for KB and that Willson is pretty much off the table.

darwinstheory

HesCalledDyer said:

Seeing report that Hoyer mentioned they are not considering anything less than absurdity for KB and that Willson is pretty much off the table.

^^^makes me happy. Who reported that?

darwinstheory

Cubs currently not willing to extend Anthony Rizzo. May not mean much, but I'd think he'd be the guy they would want to lock up right behind Baez.