the fact is the people making over $250,000 are doing a hell of a lot better than people like myself, and they are benefitting from the system more than people like myself, they can afford to pay a little more.
quite frankly if thats the case then the republicans are a lot more dangerous
having said that it is not like the Dems are saying lets raise the taxes on the rich exponentially so they will only have as much money as the normal people, its let them pay a couple of percent more so that when we have to cut the shit out of everything then we can always say that we have spread the pain.
I see you bought their bullshit. Good thing someone else will liekly pay for it for you.
alot of democrats themselves earn alot over 250000, there not going to punitively damage themselves, to solve the debt problem there HAS to be tax increases, the democrats aren't looking to make it a 50/50 split taxes to spending cuts. the wan't 20% of the difference from taxes and 80% percent of the difference from spending cuts.
anywhere else in the world the democrat policys would be that of a centre right party
you can not complain about deficits if you are unwilling to contribute to try to reduce it. it is that simple.
that is like me bitching about credit card debt, then quitting my job, and then continuing to use the card.
I get the parallel you're trying to draw but I think it falls way short. First of all, I AM contributing to it. Quite a bit, in fact. Second of all, while I do have a direct line into the revenue part of the budget (via the taxes I pay), I do NOT have a direct line into the expense part of the budget. Yeah I can vote, but that is indirect at best, the way both sides spend these days.
I just have a hard time, deep down in my gut, giving more money to people (meaning our gov't) who have proven time and again they have no idea how to use it responsibly. Prove to me you can use it right and maybe I'd be willing for fork over a few more sheckles.
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i completely understand your points. believe me i do. but if cutting military spending is off the table then all of this discussion is moot. the military is the biggest drain on us. we are spending hundreds of billions of dollars and what are we getting out of it? how are the people of this country benefitting from that money spent? if some of that money was deferred to other things like paying down the debt or reducing the deficit, or even universal single payer health care, we would be better off as a country.
the fact is the people making over $250,000 are doing a hell of a lot better than people like myself, and they are benefitting from the system more than people like myself, they can afford to pay a little more.
the wealthy are called job creators. they have benefitted from the same tax cuts for the last 10 years, but they have failed to create the jobs that they were supposed to. they shipped a lot of them overseas. they could get tax incentives for their businesses to bring the jobs back here, or they could pay a little more in taxes.
Stop the fucking presses, I think I agree with gimmie. At least in part.
We probably don't agree on the extent to which those particular cuts should be made, but I'm not one of those people who think we should cut entitlements to the poor while continuing our lavish ways with bombs and guns and YF-22's, etc. Cuts need to be made across the board and, indeed, the military has a lot to contribute there, when you consider their current slice of the budget.
As far as the wealthy creating jobs, it's probably more accurate to say the successful small business person creates jobs. Many, many (if not most) of those folks are in the 250k+ bracket.
the fact is the people making over $250,000 are doing a hell of a lot better than people like myself
I'm betting people making over $250,000 don't have 9K posts on a rock band's message board. I'd bet a lot of them, if not most, don't have the time to do that. So, if you want to do as well as them financially, it may make practical sense to not post and focus on work? Not trying to rag on you, I'm being serious. Maybe get a job that pays well, or go into a field where you can make more money? You seem to think their entitled to pay more than you because they make more money, why not become one of them and show em' how it's done? The government won't turn down your money once your making $250K+ and offer to give them more than the going tax rate! Just to clarify - effort "could" be one reason they make more... if "you" put in the effort, maybe "you" could make more too? Then, after you've put in the effort to make more and succeed, maybe you wouldn't have such a feeling of entitlement? I don't know... just thinking out loud here..
Moreover, please understand that a flat tax structure would still have those making $250,000 paying more than you do. A guy making $270K at 15% tax rate pays more than at guy making $50K at a 15% tax rate. Regardless, we don't have a flat tax structure. We have a progressive tax structure. So, those making $250K + already pay a hell of a lot more than you. But, to be clear... You want more. You're not thrilled that those making over $250K pay roughly 50% of all income taxes paid.... you want more.
A tax is a tax. Big government is big government.
(Other than that, I agree we should cut the military budget - as well as we should cut everything else. But, I disagree we should raise taxes on ANYONE... that will only provide government with more of a blank check to continue this charade.)
Stop the fucking presses, I think I agree with gimmie. At least in part.
We probably don't agree on the extent to which those particular cuts should be made, but I'm not one of those people who think we should cut entitlements to the poor while continuing our lavish ways with bombs and guns and YF-22's, etc. Cuts need to be made across the board and, indeed, the military has a lot to contribute there, when you consider their current slice of the budget.
As far as the wealthy creating jobs, it's probably more accurate to say the successful small business person creates jobs. Many, many (if not most) of those folks are in the 250k+ bracket.
but that 250K+ isn't money they create jobs with it is the money they take out of the business.
i would like to meet a small business owner who runs a business, invests some profit back into it and still takes home 250K+
anyway as with anything there are politics at play and if he wasn't going to be in such a tight race in Virginia of all places he would have no problem with obama's proposal
now that is just my own personal reading of the situation and i have no inside knowledge of the situation
anyway as with anything there are politics at play and if he wasn't going to be in such a tight race in Virginia of all places he would have no problem with obama's proposal
now that is just my own personal reading of the situation and i have no inside knowledge of the situation
Here's the irony...how many of those Top 1% rely on an income?
Raise the rate all you want, you only get the people actually working for their $.
thanks for the condescending assessment of my situation, but you don't fucking know me. i work in a physican's office about 50 hours a week and i have a lot of time to post here between patients. i drive 50 minutes each way, i have a good salary but not great, as i can afford to do most of whatever i want to do and have some nice things. you are here just as much as i am per day, because you are always online when i am, so there goes your theory about time wasted..... fact is, i live alone, own my own house, have 2 cars, one nice luxury daily driver, one specifically for my band, and i don't need armchair economists like yourself, who do not know what i do for a living, telling me how i could better utilize my time or how i can simply just spontaneously improve my financial situation....
wages are stagnant in this economy while the cost of everything is going up.
and honestly mr libertarian, in most medical careers, you can't just automatically make more money. you can't just wish you made an extra 2 grand a month and have it magically happen. it does not work that way in the real world of a middle class american.
and as far as the "effort" premise, what you are saying is the same, hollow, bullshit promise that the republicans since reagan have been telling the lower class and middle class to get them to vote for people who will implement and maintain trickle down economics. "pick yourself up by the bootstraps. you too can be one of us. you are on welfare now as a 50 year old man, but you too can be rich one day if you vote for us...don't worry, the wealth will trickle down to you..." this is the republican ideal and their version or reality. the reality of most liberals and progressives is quite different. the poor do not worry about deficits on a daily basis.. they worry about where their next meal is coming from. if their power or air conditioning is going to be turned off. how they are going to pay for bus fare or prescription medications to stay alive. tese are things the most republicans have never ever had to think about.
what about food stamps? what about the poor? you want to cut programs that make sure those people eat so the rich can save a few grand a year? it can not work that way.
how can a great country improve itself when those in government act as if they hate the lower classes?
the military budget has to be shrunk before anything else gets cut. if i were in government and the republicans agree to significantly cut military spending i would put more of my platform on the table to be cut. if the gop refuses to put military cuts on the table, then i would not negotiate with them at all. they can not have it both ways...
the fact is the people making over $250,000 are doing a hell of a lot better than people like myself
I'm betting people making over $250,000 don't have 9K posts on a rock band's message board. I'd bet a lot of them, if not most, don't have the time to do that. So, if you want to do as well as them financially, it may make practical sense to not post and focus on work? Not trying to rag on you, I'm being serious. Maybe get a job that pays well, or go into a field where you can make more money? You seem to think their entitled to pay more than you because they make more money, why not become one of them and show em' how it's done? The government won't turn down your money once your making $250K+ and offer to give them more than the going tax rate! Just to clarify - effort "could" be one reason they make more... if "you" put in the effort, maybe "you" could make more too? Then, after you've put in the effort to make more and succeed, maybe you wouldn't have such a feeling of entitlement? I don't know... just thinking out loud here..
Moreover, please understand that a flat tax structure would still have those making $250,000 paying more than you do. A guy making $270K at 15% tax rate pays more than at guy making $50K at a 15% tax rate. Regardless, we don't have a flat tax structure. We have a progressive tax structure. So, those making $250K + already pay a hell of a lot more than you. But, to be clear... You want more. You're not thrilled that those making over $250K pay roughly 50% of all income taxes paid.... you want more.
A tax is a tax. Big government is big government.
(Other than that, I agree we should cut the military budget - as well as we should cut everything else. But, I disagree we should raise taxes on ANYONE... that will only provide government with more of a blank check to continue this charade.)
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
anyway as with anything there are politics at play and if he wasn't going to be in such a tight race in Virginia of all places he would have no problem with obama's proposal
now that is just my own personal reading of the situation and i have no inside knowledge of the situation
Here's the irony...how many of those Top 1% rely on an income?
Raise the rate all you want, you only get the people actually working for their $.
increase capital gains to clinton levels. also increase those making over $250 gs to clinton levels. the economy was fine under him.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
anyway as with anything there are politics at play and if he wasn't going to be in such a tight race in Virginia of all places he would have no problem with obama's proposal
now that is just my own personal reading of the situation and i have no inside knowledge of the situation
Here's the irony...how many of those Top 1% rely on an income?
Raise the rate all you want, you only get the people actually working for their $.
if your going to close the budget deficit everyone has to pay more those who work and are lucky enough to earn over 250K are going to have to pay at least 4% more, does who don't work are going to have to pay by cuts to social welfare and everyone is going to have to pay by cuts to local services. you CANNOT close the budget deficit with out raising revenue with out completely destroying important and necessary government services
if your going to close the budget deficit everyone has to pay more those who work and are lucky enough to earn over 250K are going to have to pay at least 4% more, does who don't work are going to have to pay by cuts to social welfare and everyone is going to have to pay by cuts to local services. you CANNOT close the budget deficit with out raising revenue with out completely destroying important and necessary government services
i agree. you can not cut your way to prosperity. you HAVE to increase revenue. simple math dictates that.
thank you for clarifying my position for me, my more articulate, concise, and level headed friend...sometimes my temper gets the better of me and i can not make a concise point... :oops:
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
if your going to close the budget deficit everyone has to pay more those who work and are lucky enough to earn over 250K are going to have to pay at least 4% more, does who don't work are going to have to pay by cuts to social welfare and everyone is going to have to pay by cuts to local services. you CANNOT close the budget deficit with out raising revenue with out completely destroying important and necessary government services
i agree. you can not cut your way to prosperity. you HAVE to increase revenue. simple math dictates that.
thank you for clarifying my position for me, my more articulate, concise, and level headed friend...sometimes my temper gets the better of me and i can not make a concise point... :oops:
This all makes sense if accountants were running the country.
I'm betting people making over $250,000 don't have 9K posts on a rock band's message board.
time for people to step up and quit looking for handouts. it's those that will destroy this country if they have their way. now, back to work!
hear, hear...all this pish posh from the commoners...hands outs such as roads and basic services...who do they think they are....?
regular folks and their ilk just don't understand the plight of the rich...you know...having lots of money makes things hard...you know, which aged cheese should one have...as they say, mo' money mo' problems...
how dare we even consider going back to the Clinton tax rates...how would one survive such devastating blow...my word, it's simply terrible, I say...terrible....
i agree. you can not cut your way to prosperity. you HAVE to increase revenue. simple math dictates that.
What's so very ironic here is that if you pretend that your statement is talking about individual and not the government, you can see the folly of taxing people more.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
hear, hear...all this pish posh from the commoners...hands outs such as roads and basic services...who do they think they are....?
regular folks and their ilk just don't understand the plight of the rich...you know...having lots of money makes things hard...you know, which aged cheese should one have...as they say, mo' money mo' problems...
how dare we even consider going back to the Clinton tax rates...how would one survive such devastating blow...my word, it's simply terrible, I say...terrible....
now back to work or leisure...tally ho....
But the big problem I see is that the government has demonstrated NO ABILITY OR INTEREST in making significant cuts or breaking the spending/deficit cycle they are in.
Sure - we could all survive another tax increase, but where does it end?
Unless something changes, the government will continue to take more and more of our freedoms and fall further and further into debt. It will likely sell all of us as slaves to China at some point.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
i agree. you can not cut your way to prosperity. you HAVE to increase revenue. simple math dictates that.
What's so very ironic here is that if you pretend that your statement is talking about individual and not the government, you can see the folly of taxing people more.
Not really if an individual is in debt and they just cut without raising their income, they have to cut far of the necessities than if they went and found a way to get extra income
if you transfer back to the government then it is better for the government to get extra income(taxes) than just cut expenditure
i agree. you can not cut your way to prosperity. you HAVE to increase revenue. simple math dictates that.
What's so very ironic here is that if you pretend that your statement is talking about individual and not the government, you can see the folly of taxing people more.
Not really if an individual is in debt and they just cut without raising their income, they have to cut far of the necessities than if they went and found a way to get extra income
if you transfer back to the government then it is better for the government to get extra income(taxes) than just cut expenditure
What I mean is that people are going to have trouble raising revenue for their own circumstances if the government insists on taxing them more and more.
The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
hear, hear...all this pish posh from the commoners...hands outs such as roads and basic services...who do they think they are....?
regular folks and their ilk just don't understand the plight of the rich...you know...having lots of money makes things hard...you know, which aged cheese should one have...as they say, mo' money mo' problems...
how dare we even consider going back to the Clinton tax rates...how would one survive such devastating blow...my word, it's simply terrible, I say...terrible....
now back to work or leisure...tally ho....
But the big problem I see is that the government has demonstrated NO ABILITY OR INTEREST in making significant cuts or breaking the spending/deficit cycle they are in.
Sure - we could all survive another tax increase, but where does it end?
Unless something changes, the government will continue to take more and more of our freedoms and fall further and further into debt. It will likely sell all of us as slaves to China at some point.
I say, good man, you are fully correct...where does it end...? one must not simply understand that 2 unfunded wars and unfunded tax cuts lead us to the predicament we find ourselves this very day...
how dare the poors and commoners even suggest that we pay our bills via tax increases...even the simplest of simpletons should know the our inept government, the one that has been in place 1789, would even know how to do anything correctly...poppycock, I say...
What I mean is that people are going to have trouble raising revenue for their own circumstances if the government insists on taxing them more and more.
But many are also going to have trouble raising revenue when the government cuts payments to them, and those on benefits are more likely to be in trouble than those earning 250k+
if the government debt is one of the top 3 priorities facing the U.S. Government then it is more than necessary that those who can most afford to take a hit take a hit, and nobody is asking for a massive increase
Anyway, they hit on a lot of points that many of you mentioned in this thread. We have to cut spending on alot of agencies. But why on the backs of the poor - the ones who can barely afford it? Why can't we re-implement Clintons Welfare to Work program? Bush II tore that apart as soon as he came into office and that program was one that really did help reduce welfare rolls. If you have people that are in the cycle of generational poverty then they have a much more difficult time pulling themselves "up by the bootstraps" because they often lack the needed support (for kids, they have no one at home to push them to do well at school and education should be the equalizer in our society) and they continue to live what they know - which is poverty and welfare. Why not create a system in which you gain job training or an education and after the 2-5 years it takes to gain those skills you are cut off from welfare? Then we could exempt the elderly and the disabled from those requirements and we would be able to reduce our social welfare expenditures. Seems like that would satisfy people who want to protect social programs and those who want to cut social welfare spending.
Our society "values" certain jobs over others. As a capitalistic society, we place extreme value (read: money) on those people who can help others create more wealth. This means that certain jobs aren't as "valued". If I am a firefighter or a police officer then I make less money and often benefits make up some this discrepancy. However, if I am a financial advisor or banker then I may make a great deal more money than the firefighter even though he/she is risking their life to save mine. How does that equate with working harder or putting in more effort? In some instances, this may be true but I have been both a financial advisor and a teacher and I can tell you that I work far harder as a teacher than I ever did in the financial services industry and I make far less money (which is fine, I knew that going into this, I'm just making the point that I don't make less simply because I work less or put in less effort). Maybe we should change what we value in this country.
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
As far as the wealthy creating jobs, it's probably more accurate to say the successful small business person creates jobs. Many, many (if not most) of those folks are in the 250k+ bracket.
but that 250K+ isn't money they create jobs with it is the money they take out of the business.
i would like to meet a small business owner who runs a business, invests some profit back into it and still takes home 250K+
Yes, that's right...the 250k would be after capital expenditures...but are you really suggesting that, given the knowledge that the business person's take home cash is already going to be less after taxes, the business person might not be less inclined to invest more into their business and therefore in the short-to-medium term reduce their take-home even more?
As far as the wealthy creating jobs, it's probably more accurate to say the successful small business person creates jobs. Many, many (if not most) of those folks are in the 250k+ bracket.
but that 250K+ isn't money they create jobs with it is the money they take out of the business.
i would like to meet a small business owner who runs a business, invests some profit back into it and still takes home 250K+
Yes, that's right...the 250k would be after capital expenditures...but are you really suggesting that, given the knowledge that the business person's take home cash is already going to be less after taxes, the business person might not be less inclined to invest more into their business and therefore in the short-to-medium term reduce their take-home even more?
i don't think that would happen on as big of a scale as the republicans think it would happen, it is not just profit that drives small business owners, there is pride, wanting to achieve, and so many other factors that drive a SME owner
but basiclly what i am saying is that to most business owners, if they are making 250000 after capital expenditures the government taking 39% instead 35% will make little to no difference to them
Look, if Obama's proposal goes through I won't pay more in taxes, at least not today. They haven't proven they can spend the $ they have wisely, why give them more?
Tax increases along with significant cuts (and yes, military included and a big part) I could entertain. Bt personally, I want to see cuts for 1 year before giving them any more $.
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How so?
alot of democrats themselves earn alot over 250000, there not going to punitively damage themselves, to solve the debt problem there HAS to be tax increases, the democrats aren't looking to make it a 50/50 split taxes to spending cuts. the wan't 20% of the difference from taxes and 80% percent of the difference from spending cuts.
anywhere else in the world the democrat policys would be that of a centre right party
We probably don't agree on the extent to which those particular cuts should be made, but I'm not one of those people who think we should cut entitlements to the poor while continuing our lavish ways with bombs and guns and YF-22's, etc. Cuts need to be made across the board and, indeed, the military has a lot to contribute there, when you consider their current slice of the budget.
As far as the wealthy creating jobs, it's probably more accurate to say the successful small business person creates jobs. Many, many (if not most) of those folks are in the 250k+ bracket.
I'm betting people making over $250,000 don't have 9K posts on a rock band's message board. I'd bet a lot of them, if not most, don't have the time to do that. So, if you want to do as well as them financially, it may make practical sense to not post and focus on work? Not trying to rag on you, I'm being serious. Maybe get a job that pays well, or go into a field where you can make more money? You seem to think their entitled to pay more than you because they make more money, why not become one of them and show em' how it's done? The government won't turn down your money once your making $250K+ and offer to give them more than the going tax rate! Just to clarify - effort "could" be one reason they make more... if "you" put in the effort, maybe "you" could make more too? Then, after you've put in the effort to make more and succeed, maybe you wouldn't have such a feeling of entitlement? I don't know... just thinking out loud here..
Moreover, please understand that a flat tax structure would still have those making $250,000 paying more than you do. A guy making $270K at 15% tax rate pays more than at guy making $50K at a 15% tax rate. Regardless, we don't have a flat tax structure. We have a progressive tax structure. So, those making $250K + already pay a hell of a lot more than you. But, to be clear... You want more. You're not thrilled that those making over $250K pay roughly 50% of all income taxes paid.... you want more.
A tax is a tax. Big government is big government.
(Other than that, I agree we should cut the military budget - as well as we should cut everything else. But, I disagree we should raise taxes on ANYONE... that will only provide government with more of a blank check to continue this charade.)
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but that 250K+ isn't money they create jobs with it is the money they take out of the business.
i would like to meet a small business owner who runs a business, invests some profit back into it and still takes home 250K+
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ha i may be working for him come october/november
anyway as with anything there are politics at play and if he wasn't going to be in such a tight race in Virginia of all places he would have no problem with obama's proposal
now that is just my own personal reading of the situation and i have no inside knowledge of the situation
Here's the irony...how many of those Top 1% rely on an income?
Raise the rate all you want, you only get the people actually working for their $.
wages are stagnant in this economy while the cost of everything is going up.
and honestly mr libertarian, in most medical careers, you can't just automatically make more money. you can't just wish you made an extra 2 grand a month and have it magically happen. it does not work that way in the real world of a middle class american.
and as far as the "effort" premise, what you are saying is the same, hollow, bullshit promise that the republicans since reagan have been telling the lower class and middle class to get them to vote for people who will implement and maintain trickle down economics. "pick yourself up by the bootstraps. you too can be one of us. you are on welfare now as a 50 year old man, but you too can be rich one day if you vote for us...don't worry, the wealth will trickle down to you..." this is the republican ideal and their version or reality. the reality of most liberals and progressives is quite different. the poor do not worry about deficits on a daily basis.. they worry about where their next meal is coming from. if their power or air conditioning is going to be turned off. how they are going to pay for bus fare or prescription medications to stay alive. tese are things the most republicans have never ever had to think about.
what about food stamps? what about the poor? you want to cut programs that make sure those people eat so the rich can save a few grand a year? it can not work that way.
how can a great country improve itself when those in government act as if they hate the lower classes?
the military budget has to be shrunk before anything else gets cut. if i were in government and the republicans agree to significantly cut military spending i would put more of my platform on the table to be cut. if the gop refuses to put military cuts on the table, then i would not negotiate with them at all. they can not have it both ways...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
if your going to close the budget deficit everyone has to pay more those who work and are lucky enough to earn over 250K are going to have to pay at least 4% more, does who don't work are going to have to pay by cuts to social welfare and everyone is going to have to pay by cuts to local services. you CANNOT close the budget deficit with out raising revenue with out completely destroying important and necessary government services
time for people to step up and quit looking for handouts. it's those that will destroy this country if they have their way. now, back to work!
thank you for clarifying my position for me, my more articulate, concise, and level headed friend...sometimes my temper gets the better of me and i can not make a concise point... :oops:
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
hear, hear...all this pish posh from the commoners...hands outs such as roads and basic services...who do they think they are....?
regular folks and their ilk just don't understand the plight of the rich...you know...having lots of money makes things hard...you know, which aged cheese should one have...as they say, mo' money mo' problems...
how dare we even consider going back to the Clinton tax rates...how would one survive such devastating blow...my word, it's simply terrible, I say...terrible....
now back to work or leisure...tally ho....
What's so very ironic here is that if you pretend that your statement is talking about individual and not the government, you can see the folly of taxing people more.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
But the big problem I see is that the government has demonstrated NO ABILITY OR INTEREST in making significant cuts or breaking the spending/deficit cycle they are in.
Sure - we could all survive another tax increase, but where does it end?
Unless something changes, the government will continue to take more and more of our freedoms and fall further and further into debt. It will likely sell all of us as slaves to China at some point.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Not really if an individual is in debt and they just cut without raising their income, they have to cut far of the necessities than if they went and found a way to get extra income
if you transfer back to the government then it is better for the government to get extra income(taxes) than just cut expenditure
What I mean is that people are going to have trouble raising revenue for their own circumstances if the government insists on taxing them more and more.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
I say, good man, you are fully correct...where does it end...? one must not simply understand that 2 unfunded wars and unfunded tax cuts lead us to the predicament we find ourselves this very day...
how dare the poors and commoners even suggest that we pay our bills via tax increases...even the simplest of simpletons should know the our inept government, the one that has been in place 1789, would even know how to do anything correctly...poppycock, I say...
This has to be the first time anyone has tried this, correct? :think:
But many are also going to have trouble raising revenue when the government cuts payments to them, and those on benefits are more likely to be in trouble than those earning 250k+
if the government debt is one of the top 3 priorities facing the U.S. Government then it is more than necessary that those who can most afford to take a hit take a hit, and nobody is asking for a massive increase
4% isn't that big
Anyway, they hit on a lot of points that many of you mentioned in this thread. We have to cut spending on alot of agencies. But why on the backs of the poor - the ones who can barely afford it? Why can't we re-implement Clintons Welfare to Work program? Bush II tore that apart as soon as he came into office and that program was one that really did help reduce welfare rolls. If you have people that are in the cycle of generational poverty then they have a much more difficult time pulling themselves "up by the bootstraps" because they often lack the needed support (for kids, they have no one at home to push them to do well at school and education should be the equalizer in our society) and they continue to live what they know - which is poverty and welfare. Why not create a system in which you gain job training or an education and after the 2-5 years it takes to gain those skills you are cut off from welfare? Then we could exempt the elderly and the disabled from those requirements and we would be able to reduce our social welfare expenditures. Seems like that would satisfy people who want to protect social programs and those who want to cut social welfare spending.
Our society "values" certain jobs over others. As a capitalistic society, we place extreme value (read: money) on those people who can help others create more wealth. This means that certain jobs aren't as "valued". If I am a firefighter or a police officer then I make less money and often benefits make up some this discrepancy. However, if I am a financial advisor or banker then I may make a great deal more money than the firefighter even though he/she is risking their life to save mine. How does that equate with working harder or putting in more effort? In some instances, this may be true but I have been both a financial advisor and a teacher and I can tell you that I work far harder as a teacher than I ever did in the financial services industry and I make far less money (which is fine, I knew that going into this, I'm just making the point that I don't make less simply because I work less or put in less effort). Maybe we should change what we value in this country.
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
I AM MINE
i don't think that would happen on as big of a scale as the republicans think it would happen, it is not just profit that drives small business owners, there is pride, wanting to achieve, and so many other factors that drive a SME owner
but basiclly what i am saying is that to most business owners, if they are making 250000 after capital expenditures the government taking 39% instead 35% will make little to no difference to them
For someone else to pay.
Now that is priceless...they don't pay anything.
for anyone earning 250k and over an extra 4% is not that big
having said that i would also make a cut to corporation tax
Tax increases along with significant cuts (and yes, military included and a big part) I could entertain. Bt personally, I want to see cuts for 1 year before giving them any more $.