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  • VivaPalestina
    VivaPalestina Posts: 225
    catefrances wrote:
    admittedly every time i enter the US i am asked how long im staying and why im there. i also need to show my itinerary to show i plan on leaving the country. oh and theres also that thing about having my photo taken and being fingerprinted... every time. personally i think they should have them on file already and i often wonder if when they compare them they supercede the previous prints and pics or are they collected in a dossier somewhere. they also ask for an address within the US where they can find me... but considering thats an initial address and not necesssarily where ill be 2 days from my entry date i dont know what the point is.

    Not sure about the US, but for israel when they ask you how many times you have been there before, they are trying to figure out if you are an activist or a tourist. Activists get asked more questions, held longer and more than likely rejected entry.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    VivaPalestina wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    admittedly every time i enter the US i am asked how long im staying and why im there. i also need to show my itinerary to show i plan on leaving the country. oh and theres also that thing about having my photo taken and being fingerprinted... every time. personally i think they should have them on file already and i often wonder if when they compare them they supercede the previous prints and pics or are they collected in a dossier somewhere. they also ask for an address within the US where they can find me... but considering thats an initial address and not necesssarily where ill be 2 days from my entry date i dont know what the point is.

    Not sure about the US, but for israel when they ask you how many times you have been there before, they are trying to figure out if you are an activist or a tourist. Activists get asked more questions, held longer and more than likely rejected entry.


    i can understand that. the israeli govt is doing some shit that is very offensive to some people... tho it should be offensive to a whole lot more people... and i doubt they want 'do gooders' looking into that and shaking the trees.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,401
    VivaPalestina wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    admittedly every time i enter the US i am asked how long im staying and why im there. i also need to show my itinerary to show i plan on leaving the country. oh and theres also that thing about having my photo taken and being fingerprinted... every time. personally i think they should have them on file already and i often wonder if when they compare them they supercede the previous prints and pics or are they collected in a dossier somewhere. they also ask for an address within the US where they can find me... but considering thats an initial address and not necesssarily where ill be 2 days from my entry date i dont know what the point is.

    Not sure about the US, but for israel when they ask you how many times you have been there before, they are trying to figure out if you are an activist or a tourist. Activists get asked more questions, held longer and more than likely rejected entry.
    of course activists are going to be asked more questions. they are trying to find any reason at all to keep them out. so if i have been there several times, have political ideals that are counter to israel's policies but i have no link to any sort of formal activist group, am i am activist or a tourist? or am i both?
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    VivaPalestina wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    admittedly every time i enter the US i am asked how long im staying and why im there. i also need to show my itinerary to show i plan on leaving the country. oh and theres also that thing about having my photo taken and being fingerprinted... every time. personally i think they should have them on file already and i often wonder if when they compare them they supercede the previous prints and pics or are they collected in a dossier somewhere. they also ask for an address within the US where they can find me... but considering thats an initial address and not necesssarily where ill be 2 days from my entry date i dont know what the point is.

    Not sure about the US, but for israel when they ask you how many times you have been there before, they are trying to figure out if you are an activist or a tourist. Activists get asked more questions, held longer and more than likely rejected entry.
    of course activists are going to be asked more questions. they are trying to find any reason at all to keep them out. so if i have been there several times, have political ideals that are counter to israel's policies but i have no link to any sort of formal activist group, am i am activist or a tourist? or am i both?


    youre a pain in their arse... thats what you are. :P :lol::lol:
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,401
    catefrances wrote:
    youre a pain in their arse... thats what you are. :P :lol::lol:
    i'm a pain in a lot of people's butts....israel can just take a number and line up behind the rest of them...

    :lol::lol:
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  • VivaPalestina
    VivaPalestina Posts: 225
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    VivaPalestina wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    admittedly every time i enter the US i am asked how long im staying and why im there. i also need to show my itinerary to show i plan on leaving the country. oh and theres also that thing about having my photo taken and being fingerprinted... every time. personally i think they should have them on file already and i often wonder if when they compare them they supercede the previous prints and pics or are they collected in a dossier somewhere. they also ask for an address within the US where they can find me... but considering thats an initial address and not necesssarily where ill be 2 days from my entry date i dont know what the point is.

    Not sure about the US, but for israel when they ask you how many times you have been there before, they are trying to figure out if you are an activist or a tourist. Activists get asked more questions, held longer and more than likely rejected entry.
    of course activists are going to be asked more questions. they are trying to find any reason at all to keep them out. so if i have been there several times, have political ideals that are counter to israel's policies but i have no link to any sort of formal activist group, am i am activist or a tourist? or am i both?

    Right you are both. And lots of "internationals", non Jews and non Palestinians visiting are both. But if you answer the first question of "where are you going" w/ the "West Bank" that will also mark you as an activist more than a tourist, if you answer Israel, then tourist. There are other things relatable to what you wrote about political views and groups that I rather not address on an open forum, and situations where US citizens may just "roll" right in. Its just the craziness of occupation and the isolation that israel wishes to impose on the Palestinians.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,401
    VivaPalestina wrote:
    Right you are both. And lots of "internationals", non Jews and non Palestinians visiting are both. But if you answer the first question of "where are you going" w/ the "West Bank" that will also mark you as an activist more than a tourist, if you answer Israel, then tourist. There are other things relatable to what you wrote about political views and groups that I rather not address on an open forum, and situations where US citizens may just "roll" right in. Its just the craziness of occupation and the isolation that israel wishes to impose on the Palestinians.
    so it seems the simple query of "where are you going?" is a loaded question. if you answer one thing you are assumed a tourist and left alone and if you answer another one, even if you are a tourist they label you an activist....interesting... almost like profiling...

    i was just making a general statement about having no ties to any organized groups but possibly having sentiments in opposition to the israeli government's positions. i was not trying to get you to discuss those things openly, so sorry if it came off like that :oops:

    out of curiosity, can americans get through with less difficulty than those from other countries?
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  • VivaPalestina
    VivaPalestina Posts: 225
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    so it seems the simple query of "where are you going?" is a loaded question. if you answer one thing you are assumed a tourist and left alone and if you answer another one, even if you are a tourist they label you an activist....interesting... almost like profiling...

    i was just making a general statement about having no ties to any organized groups but possibly having sentiments in opposition to the israeli government's positions. i was not trying to get you to discuss those things openly, so sorry if it came off like that :oops:

    out of curiosity, can americans get through with less difficulty than those from other countries?

    I think that's a good way to describe it, profiling. You didn't come off like that, I apologize, I think you are making a very good point, and i just wanted to give you the best answer possible, maybe I will pm you?

    In my experience, outside of middle eastern countries, if you are from america or thailand the more politically "clueless" you are makes the process a lot easier at the point of entry. Also, some idf are americans and they seem to be more friendly to us citizens. And also, once in the west bank, that us passport actually does help a lot through the checkpoints.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,401
    VivaPalestina wrote:
    I think that's a good way to describe it, profiling. You didn't come off like that, I apologize, I think you are making a very good point, and i just wanted to give you the best answer possible, maybe I will pm you?

    In my experience, outside of middle eastern countries, if you are from america or thailand the more politically "clueless" you are makes the process a lot easier at the point of entry. Also, some idf are americans and they seem to be more friendly to us citizens. And also, once in the west bank, that us passport actually does help a lot through the checkpoints.
    sounds like the arizona immigration law, or new york's stop and frisk law. profiling, based on nothing but nationality and appearance.

    i knew that some americans were in the idf, but i did not know that that specifically might get americans preferential treatment when entering israel. it is funny to me that american passports help get you through checkpoints. because no americans are terrorists or rabble rousers, right? :roll:

    having never been to the middle east, is it easier to travel on a passport from countries outside of the middle east? i remember the mossad traveling freely and unihibited with fake aussie passports in order to assassinate a man 2 or 3 years ago in i think it was dubai.
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    ...
    having never been to the middle east, is it easier to travel on a passport from countries outside of the middle east? i remember the mossad traveling freely and unihibited with fake aussie passports in order to assassinate a man 2 or 3 years ago in i think it was dubai.


    the australian passport is one of the safest in the world in regards to security. it is chock ful of safeguards... tho that didnt stop mossad fucking with other peoples identity with impunity....but i guess its cause of those security measures built into the aussie passport that made them attractive to mossad. who would question an aussie passport knowing how safe they are???
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,401
    here is some B.S....

    i guess he failed to produce the proper paperwork :roll:

    Palestinian child kicked by Israeli Border Police in Hebron

    click the link to see the video...

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-d ... m-1.448310

    In the video, filmed last Friday and released by B'Tselem, a policeman is seen holding down the 9-year-old while another policeman kicks him; Border Police denounces incident.

    In the video, released by B'Tselem, two Border Policemen are seen, armed with rifles and in full uniform. The two are seen waiting for the child, 9-year-old Abed a-Rahman, who came out of an alley near his home.

    One of the policemen grabbed him, threw him to the ground and held him down, asking him, "Why are you causing trouble?"

    The child began crying, and then another Border Policeman arrived at the scene and kicked him, while the first man held the child down.

    The child is then seen running away after he is eventually released. The video is about two-minutes long, and it is unclear what transpired beforehand. According to B'Tselem, the volunteer began filming when he noticed the policeman waiting for the child on the corner. B'Tselem plans on filing a complaint against the men with the Police Investigation Department.

    The Border Police said in response, "The Border Police denounces the policemen's behavior, which contrasts the values of the force. It is important to note that this is a rare incident which does not represent the actions of the Border Police in Israel. The Border Police commander instructed on setting up a team to investigate the incident immediately and its conclusions are due in the coming days."
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • VivaPalestina
    VivaPalestina Posts: 225
    catefrances wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    ...
    having never been to the middle east, is it easier to travel on a passport from countries outside of the middle east? i remember the mossad traveling freely and unihibited with fake aussie passports in order to assassinate a man 2 or 3 years ago in i think it was dubai.


    the australian passport is one of the safest in the world in regards to security. it is chock ful of safeguards... tho that didnt stop mossad fucking with other peoples identity with impunity....but i guess its cause of those security measures built into the aussie passport that made them attractive to mossad. who would question an aussie passport knowing how safe they are???

    With dubai, and the other uae states, they are welcome and accomadating to citizens of the West, they are revenue. The only Middle Eastern country that I know of that is pretty hostile to Western passport holders is Syria, even before the unrest. Also, just to add that there are israeli citizens who are also australian, canadian, etc. citizens and willfully give up their passports to the Mossad when requested.
  • VivaPalestina
    VivaPalestina Posts: 225
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    here is some B.S....

    i guess he failed to produce the proper paperwork :roll:

    Palestinian child kicked by Israeli Border Police in Hebron

    click the link to see the video...

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-d ... m-1.448310

    In the video, filmed last Friday and released by B'Tselem, a policeman is seen holding down the 9-year-old while another policeman kicks him; Border Police denounces incident.

    In the video, released by B'Tselem, two Border Policemen are seen, armed with rifles and in full uniform. The two are seen waiting for the child, 9-year-old Abed a-Rahman, who came out of an alley near his home.

    One of the policemen grabbed him, threw him to the ground and held him down, asking him, "Why are you causing trouble?"

    The child began crying, and then another Border Policeman arrived at the scene and kicked him, while the first man held the child down.

    The child is then seen running away after he is eventually released. The video is about two-minutes long, and it is unclear what transpired beforehand. According to B'Tselem, the volunteer began filming when he noticed the policeman waiting for the child on the corner. B'Tselem plans on filing a complaint against the men with the Police Investigation Department.

    The Border Police said in response, "The Border Police denounces the policemen's behavior, which contrasts the values of the force. It is important to note that this is a rare incident which does not represent the actions of the Border Police in Israel. The Border Police commander instructed on setting up a team to investigate the incident immediately and its conclusions are due in the coming days."

    An israeli rabbi made a statement that its okay to target Palestinian children because they will grow up to be "terrorists". The idf arrests kids and quite a few have been raped in Israeli jails. Many have been arrested for as little as throwing rocks. When in jail, the israelis make it as terrifying as possible, so they would never pick up another rock or protest in any way again. They don't see them as children...i don't get it at all, in the US, and elsewhere, its always "never forget" regarding the Holocaust. I can't forget the Holocaust, because the images of cold hearted Nazis come to mind everytime I see or hear of a Palestinian child being beaten or killed by the idf.
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    VivaPalestina wrote:
    catefrances wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    ...
    having never been to the middle east, is it easier to travel on a passport from countries outside of the middle east? i remember the mossad traveling freely and unihibited with fake aussie passports in order to assassinate a man 2 or 3 years ago in i think it was dubai.


    the australian passport is one of the safest in the world in regards to security. it is chock ful of safeguards... tho that didnt stop mossad fucking with other peoples identity with impunity....but i guess its cause of those security measures built into the aussie passport that made them attractive to mossad. who would question an aussie passport knowing how safe they are???

    With dubai, and the other uae states, they are welcome and accomadating to citizens of the West, they are revenue. The only Middle Eastern country that I know of that is pretty hostile to Western passport holders is Syria, even before the unrest. Also, just to add that there are israeli citizens who are also australian, canadian, etc. citizens and willfully give up their passports to the Mossad when requested.

    well that sux cause my near future plans include visiting damascus. as a student of history it is immensely interesting to me.and it pains me to think i have to wait til it calms down a little before i pay a visit... but then again maybe i wont wait. 8-)
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  • peacefrompaul
    peacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    catefrances wrote:

    well that sux cause my near future plans include visiting damascus. as a student of history it is immensely interesting to me.and it pains me to think i have to wait til it calms down a little before i pay a visit... but then again maybe i wont wait. 8-)

    It's going to be a while...
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    VivaPalestina wrote:
    ...Also, just to add that there are israeli citizens who are also australian, canadian, etc. citizens and willfully give up their passports to the Mossad when requested.


    and this is why one should not be allowed to have more than 1 passport. pick a side people cause one can not serve 2 masters.
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  • badbrains
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    Been to Damascus 2 times in the past 2 years. Left last march 3 days after the shit started to boil. Never had a problem entering or leaving that country. So sad what's happening there, such a beautiful country and super generous people there. They'd give u there last piece of bread. And ANYONE here who thinks they HATE Americans, well, just keep watching fox and stay in your sheltered boxed in world you live in.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,401
    VivaPalestina wrote:
    An israeli rabbi made a statement that its okay to target Palestinian children because they will grow up to be "terrorists". The idf arrests kids and quite a few have been raped in Israeli jails. Many have been arrested for as little as throwing rocks. When in jail, the israelis make it as terrifying as possible, so they would never pick up another rock or protest in any way again. They don't see them as children...i don't get it at all, in the US, and elsewhere, its always "never forget" regarding the Holocaust. I can't forget the Holocaust, because the images of cold hearted Nazis come to mind everytime I see or hear of a Palestinian child being beaten or killed by the idf.
    that is out and out racism. that would be like me saying that african american children are going to grow up to be drug dealers or gangbangers so it is ok for the cops to mess with them....it is just plainly not true and is a harmful stereotype, and it is terrible that religious leaders can say such things and get away with it. i have heard about the abuses of palestinain children while in israeli custody. i would think that these tactics might backfire because if anyone had unjustly imprisoned me or abused me in custody i would definitely have an axe to grind with those people when i grew up. i would think that a little respect would go a long way, as it is clear that the israeli government, police, and idf do not respect the palestinian people, so that creates resentment and it just perpetuates itself from generation to generation.

    isn't it ironic how the same tactics used on jewish people in world war II are being used by israelis against a different ethnic group?
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  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    badbrains wrote:
    Been to Damascus 2 times in the past 2 years. Left last march 3 days after the shit started to boil. Never had a problem entering or leaving that country. So sad what's happening there, such a beautiful country and super generous people there. They'd give u there last piece of bread. And ANYONE here who thinks they HATE Americans, well, just keep watching fox and stay in your sheltered boxed in world you live in.


    im glad to read a positive post about damascus. thanx.
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  • badbrains
    badbrains Posts: 10,255
    catefrances wrote:
    badbrains wrote:
    Been to Damascus 2 times in the past 2 years. Left last march 3 days after the shit started to boil. Never had a problem entering or leaving that country. So sad what's happening there, such a beautiful country and super generous people there. They'd give u there last piece of bread. And ANYONE here who thinks they HATE Americans, well, just keep watching fox and stay in your sheltered boxed in world you live in.


    im glad to read a positive post about damascus. thanx.

    Cate, I swear once it all calms down over there, GO and see it. That country's got some beauty and the people are truly kind and wayyyyyy generous. I can't wait to go back and visit again. Shit let me know when you're planning on going and if by chance I'm gonna be there, I'd love to show u around. There's a place called translated "old sham" meaning old Syria in Damascus that used to be huge houses for the rich people that they converted to restaurants. Brick roads with narrow alleys. Real old and beautiful. For all those Muslim fearing Arabs, it's a Christian area so you're good lol. Once that country gets right, it'll become the most beautiful country in the middle east. They recently found a site that dates 15,000 years ago!!! So much sites to see and the food, well, plan on gaining some weight when u go. Seems like every time I go I pack on some pounds (15 Pds) last time lol!!! But def go when it calms down. Love the fact you're entertaining the thought of going!!!!! :)

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