Access to your e-mail required to enter israel

VivaPalestina

At least for non jews...these two girls went through a total invasion of their privacy when they were asked to log into their g-mail just to visit and they were refused entry anyway.

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/06/do-you-fe ... urion.html

Godfather.

VivaPalestina wrote:

At least for non jews...these two girls went through a total invasion of their privacy when they were asked to log into their g-mail just to visit and they were refused entry anyway.

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/06/do-you-fe ... urion.html

the company I work for will not let it's employees take work lap-tops over seas at all and recomend deleting all files from your personal lap top espically anything rerlated to work before traveling over seas.

Godfather.

lukin2006

Its getting crazier that's for sure. Just a simple reminder why you should never use email unless you don't mind others reading it...especially those free ones, unfortunately.

Johnny Abruzzo

Ironic that they would emulate the Nazis.

MotoDC

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Ironic that they would emulate the Nazis.

The nazi's censored email? Man they were technologically advanced!


...sorry I couldn't resist. :twisted:

Johnny Abruzzo

MotoDC wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Ironic that they would emulate the Nazis.

The nazi's censored email? Man they were technologically advanced!

...sorry I couldn't resist. :twisted:

E-mail was just one small part of that story.

catefrances

i just did a search of my email account using the words israel. palestine, west bank and international solidarity movement..... im screwed.

gimmesometruth27

catefrances wrote:

i just did a search of my email account using the words israel. palestine, west bank and international solidarity movement..... im screwed.

me too....

what a shitty policy. i guess there is no privacy, and you have to worry about free speech in private conversations sent via email...

brianlux

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

catefrances wrote:

i just did a search of my email account using the words israel. palestine, west bank and international solidarity movement..... im screwed.

me too....

what a shitty policy. i guess there is no privacy, and you have to worry about free speech in private conversations sent via email...

Probably me too although they might give me a pass for recently using the word "Ishmael" frequently.

catefrances

brianlux wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

catefrances wrote:

i just did a search of my email account using the words israel. palestine, west bank and international solidarity movement..... im screwed.

me too....

what a shitty policy. i guess there is no privacy, and you have to worry about free speech in private conversations sent via email...

Probably me too although they might give me a pass for recently using the word "Ishmael" frequently.

i plan of going to beirut in the near future and i figure cause its next door i cant not go to israel, so well see how that goes. but then again, i dont have a gmail account so....

brianlux

catefrances wrote:

i plan of going to beirut in the near future and i figure cause its next door i cant not go to israel, so well see how that goes. but then again, i dont have a gmail account so....

Fascinating! Keep us posted.

catefrances

brianlux wrote:

catefrances wrote:

i plan of going to beirut in the near future and i figure cause its next door i cant not go to israel, so well see how that goes. but then again, i dont have a gmail account so....

Fascinating! Keep us posted.

in the spirit of full disclosure i do have another trip to the US planned before i get to beirut... i just gotta figure out when falafels are in season over there. maybe i should flip those 2 trips. :think:

but yeah ill keep you posted.

gimmesometruth27

when you log into gmail you log into google + and your youtube account as well....they are fishing for info from a lot of different sources. they know exactly what they are asking for and why...

catefrances

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

when you log into gmail you log into google + and your youtube account as well....they are fishing for info from a lot of different sources. they know exactly what they are asking for and why...

those girls were profiled and targetted.

oh and...

what a stupid question is why are you visiting israel when youve been here before?

Smellyman

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

MotoDC wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Ironic that they would emulate the Nazis.

The nazi's censored email? Man they were technologically advanced!

...sorry I couldn't resist. :twisted:

E-mail was just one small part of that story.

exactly....that was frustrating just reading that.

I would probably be in jail if that happened to me because at some point I would lose it and go ape shit

gimmesometruth27

surprised one of the questions was not asking if they post on the moving train....

MotoDC

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

MotoDC wrote:

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Ironic that they would emulate the Nazis.

The nazi's censored email? Man they were technologically advanced!

...sorry I couldn't resist. :twisted:

E-mail was just one small part of that story.

Oh Lord. Thank you for the insight. The entire thread to that point had been about the email search and I think it was pretty clear I was making a wee jest.

ANYhow, I assume this happened recently? Will be interesting to see if this gets any play in the MSM. Nothing so far, at least that I could find.

VivaPalestina

catefrances wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

when you log into gmail you log into google + and your youtube account as well....they are fishing for info from a lot of different sources. they know exactly what they are asking for and why...

those girls were profiled and targetted.

oh and...

what a stupid question is why are you visiting israel when youve been here before?

Lol...those are the first two questions all non jews are asked. They will ask you why you are visiting, where exactly you are visiting, who you are visiting, where they live, whats their phone number and on and on.

catefrances

VivaPalestina wrote:

catefrances wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

when you log into gmail you log into google + and your youtube account as well....they are fishing for info from a lot of different sources. they know exactly what they are asking for and why...

those girls were profiled and targetted.

oh and...

what a stupid question is why are you visiting israel when youve been here before?

Lol...those are the first two questions all non jews are asked. They will ask you why you are visiting, where exactly you are visiting, who you are visiting, where they live, whats their phone number and on and on.

admittedly every time i enter the US i am asked how long im staying and why im there. i also need to show my itinerary to show i plan on leaving the country. oh and theres also that thing about having my photo taken and being fingerprinted... every time. personally i think they should have them on file already and i often wonder if when they compare them they supercede the previous prints and pics or are they collected in a dossier somewhere. they also ask for an address within the US where they can find me... but considering thats an initial address and not necesssarily where ill be 2 days from my entry date i dont know what the point is.

Smellyman

catefrances wrote:

VivaPalestina wrote:

catefrances wrote:

those girls were profiled and targetted.

oh and...

what a stupid question is why are you visiting israel when youve been here before?

Lol...those are the first two questions all non jews are asked. They will ask you why you are visiting, where exactly you are visiting, who you are visiting, where they live, whats their phone number and on and on.

admittedly every time i enter the US i am asked how long im staying and why im there. i also need to show my itinerary to show i plan on leaving the country. oh and theres also that thing about having my photo taken and being fingerprinted... every time. personally i think they should have them on file already and i often wonder if when they compare them they supercede the previous prints and pics or are they collected in a dossier somewhere. they also ask for an address within the US where they can find me... but considering thats an initial address and not necesssarily where ill be 2 days from my entry date i dont know what the point is.

but that is a different question and is asked in most every country

catefrances

Smellyman wrote:

but that is a different question and is asked in most every country

is it? they ask me why i am in the US and what is the purpose of my visit. they do not ask how many times i have been because they already know the answer. .. and yet i tell them cause i am an honest person. but i also know how to play the game. if i desired i would tell them what it was they wanted to know. who gives a shit how often i visit a country if there is no real follow up? i could lie to them and theyd be none the wiser cause they do not care enough to ask simply because i do not fit the profile which they consider a threat. and if that is the case then that is their weakness for there are many things i do not agree with your government on and yet they allow me to cross your border because they assume i am not a risk.

VivaPalestina

catefrances wrote:

admittedly every time i enter the US i am asked how long im staying and why im there. i also need to show my itinerary to show i plan on leaving the country. oh and theres also that thing about having my photo taken and being fingerprinted... every time. personally i think they should have them on file already and i often wonder if when they compare them they supercede the previous prints and pics or are they collected in a dossier somewhere. they also ask for an address within the US where they can find me... but considering thats an initial address and not necesssarily where ill be 2 days from my entry date i dont know what the point is.

Not sure about the US, but for israel when they ask you how many times you have been there before, they are trying to figure out if you are an activist or a tourist. Activists get asked more questions, held longer and more than likely rejected entry.

catefrances

VivaPalestina wrote:

catefrances wrote:

admittedly every time i enter the US i am asked how long im staying and why im there. i also need to show my itinerary to show i plan on leaving the country. oh and theres also that thing about having my photo taken and being fingerprinted... every time. personally i think they should have them on file already and i often wonder if when they compare them they supercede the previous prints and pics or are they collected in a dossier somewhere. they also ask for an address within the US where they can find me... but considering thats an initial address and not necesssarily where ill be 2 days from my entry date i dont know what the point is.

Not sure about the US, but for israel when they ask you how many times you have been there before, they are trying to figure out if you are an activist or a tourist. Activists get asked more questions, held longer and more than likely rejected entry.

i can understand that. the israeli govt is doing some shit that is very offensive to some people... tho it should be offensive to a whole lot more people... and i doubt they want 'do gooders' looking into that and shaking the trees.

gimmesometruth27

VivaPalestina wrote:

catefrances wrote:

admittedly every time i enter the US i am asked how long im staying and why im there. i also need to show my itinerary to show i plan on leaving the country. oh and theres also that thing about having my photo taken and being fingerprinted... every time. personally i think they should have them on file already and i often wonder if when they compare them they supercede the previous prints and pics or are they collected in a dossier somewhere. they also ask for an address within the US where they can find me... but considering thats an initial address and not necesssarily where ill be 2 days from my entry date i dont know what the point is.

Not sure about the US, but for israel when they ask you how many times you have been there before, they are trying to figure out if you are an activist or a tourist. Activists get asked more questions, held longer and more than likely rejected entry.

of course activists are going to be asked more questions. they are trying to find any reason at all to keep them out. so if i have been there several times, have political ideals that are counter to israel's policies but i have no link to any sort of formal activist group, am i am activist or a tourist? or am i both?

catefrances

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

VivaPalestina wrote:

catefrances wrote:

admittedly every time i enter the US i am asked how long im staying and why im there. i also need to show my itinerary to show i plan on leaving the country. oh and theres also that thing about having my photo taken and being fingerprinted... every time. personally i think they should have them on file already and i often wonder if when they compare them they supercede the previous prints and pics or are they collected in a dossier somewhere. they also ask for an address within the US where they can find me... but considering thats an initial address and not necesssarily where ill be 2 days from my entry date i dont know what the point is.

Not sure about the US, but for israel when they ask you how many times you have been there before, they are trying to figure out if you are an activist or a tourist. Activists get asked more questions, held longer and more than likely rejected entry.

of course activists are going to be asked more questions. they are trying to find any reason at all to keep them out. so if i have been there several times, have political ideals that are counter to israel's policies but i have no link to any sort of formal activist group, am i am activist or a tourist? or am i both?

youre a pain in their arse... thats what you are. :P

gimmesometruth27

catefrances wrote:

youre a pain in their arse... thats what you are. :P

i'm a pain in a lot of people's butts....israel can just take a number and line up behind the rest of them...

VivaPalestina

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

VivaPalestina wrote:

catefrances wrote:

admittedly every time i enter the US i am asked how long im staying and why im there. i also need to show my itinerary to show i plan on leaving the country. oh and theres also that thing about having my photo taken and being fingerprinted... every time. personally i think they should have them on file already and i often wonder if when they compare them they supercede the previous prints and pics or are they collected in a dossier somewhere. they also ask for an address within the US where they can find me... but considering thats an initial address and not necesssarily where ill be 2 days from my entry date i dont know what the point is.

Not sure about the US, but for israel when they ask you how many times you have been there before, they are trying to figure out if you are an activist or a tourist. Activists get asked more questions, held longer and more than likely rejected entry.

of course activists are going to be asked more questions. they are trying to find any reason at all to keep them out. so if i have been there several times, have political ideals that are counter to israel's policies but i have no link to any sort of formal activist group, am i am activist or a tourist? or am i both?

Right you are both. And lots of "internationals", non Jews and non Palestinians visiting are both. But if you answer the first question of "where are you going" w/ the "West Bank" that will also mark you as an activist more than a tourist, if you answer Israel, then tourist. There are other things relatable to what you wrote about political views and groups that I rather not address on an open forum, and situations where US citizens may just "roll" right in. Its just the craziness of occupation and the isolation that israel wishes to impose on the Palestinians.

gimmesometruth27

VivaPalestina wrote:

Right you are both. And lots of "internationals", non Jews and non Palestinians visiting are both. But if you answer the first question of "where are you going" w/ the "West Bank" that will also mark you as an activist more than a tourist, if you answer Israel, then tourist. There are other things relatable to what you wrote about political views and groups that I rather not address on an open forum, and situations where US citizens may just "roll" right in. Its just the craziness of occupation and the isolation that israel wishes to impose on the Palestinians.

so it seems the simple query of "where are you going?" is a loaded question. if you answer one thing you are assumed a tourist and left alone and if you answer another one, even if you are a tourist they label you an activist....interesting... almost like profiling...

i was just making a general statement about having no ties to any organized groups but possibly having sentiments in opposition to the israeli government's positions. i was not trying to get you to discuss those things openly, so sorry if it came off like that :oops:

out of curiosity, can americans get through with less difficulty than those from other countries?

VivaPalestina

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

so it seems the simple query of "where are you going?" is a loaded question. if you answer one thing you are assumed a tourist and left alone and if you answer another one, even if you are a tourist they label you an activist....interesting... almost like profiling...

i was just making a general statement about having no ties to any organized groups but possibly having sentiments in opposition to the israeli government's positions. i was not trying to get you to discuss those things openly, so sorry if it came off like that :oops:

out of curiosity, can americans get through with less difficulty than those from other countries?

I think that's a good way to describe it, profiling. You didn't come off like that, I apologize, I think you are making a very good point, and i just wanted to give you the best answer possible, maybe I will pm you?

In my experience, outside of middle eastern countries, if you are from america or thailand the more politically "clueless" you are makes the process a lot easier at the point of entry. Also, some idf are americans and they seem to be more friendly to us citizens. And also, once in the west bank, that us passport actually does help a lot through the checkpoints.

gimmesometruth27

VivaPalestina wrote:

I think that's a good way to describe it, profiling. You didn't come off like that, I apologize, I think you are making a very good point, and i just wanted to give you the best answer possible, maybe I will pm you?

In my experience, outside of middle eastern countries, if you are from america or thailand the more politically "clueless" you are makes the process a lot easier at the point of entry. Also, some idf are americans and they seem to be more friendly to us citizens. And also, once in the west bank, that us passport actually does help a lot through the checkpoints.

sounds like the arizona immigration law, or new york's stop and frisk law. profiling, based on nothing but nationality and appearance.

i knew that some americans were in the idf, but i did not know that that specifically might get americans preferential treatment when entering israel. it is funny to me that american passports help get you through checkpoints. because no americans are terrorists or rabble rousers, right? :roll:

having never been to the middle east, is it easier to travel on a passport from countries outside of the middle east? i remember the mossad traveling freely and unihibited with fake aussie passports in order to assassinate a man 2 or 3 years ago in i think it was dubai.

catefrances

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

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having never been to the middle east, is it easier to travel on a passport from countries outside of the middle east? i remember the mossad traveling freely and unihibited with fake aussie passports in order to assassinate a man 2 or 3 years ago in i think it was dubai.

the australian passport is one of the safest in the world in regards to security. it is chock ful of safeguards... tho that didnt stop mossad fucking with other peoples identity with impunity....but i guess its cause of those security measures built into the aussie passport that made them attractive to mossad. who would question an aussie passport knowing how safe they are???