Luka Magnotta

JonnyPistachio

badbrains wrote:

facepollution wrote:

badbrains wrote:

Stay away from 3 guys and a hammer. Watch that and see how many nights u lay around in bed thinking how on earth can a human do that to another. But then u realize that they're not human. NO HUMAN can do what any of these fucks do. I've seen both videos. Never seen anything as disturbing as the 3 guys and a hammer video. Mexican cartel beheadings, war beheadings not so disturbing as these other 2. I warn all of u NOT TO WATCH!!!

Can I ask, why would you want to watch those kind of videos?

I was curious. I think everybody has a little curiosity in them. Do I recommend everyone watch, HELL NO. Am I glad I saw the videos, HELL YES cuz it shows u what REAL evil is and that it's out there. Sometimes it's the tiniest thing that can decide if u live or die. I'm sure these guys who were brutalized by these fucks had NO IDEA they were gonna get murdered. Death for these beasts is to civil. If you've seen the videos youd understand.

I found myself watching a horrific video like this before and it made me feel terrible. But I couldnt answer myself as to why I watched it at first. It dawned on me later, after the shock wore off:
I don't believe in the devil. But I know the world has its share of folks that are vying for that spot. I bet if someone told you that they knew Jesus/God and you could see him, that you would accept that opportunity. I would, especially as an agnostic...but if someone told you that you could see the devil, would you? I took the opportunity because I am always amazed at people, good or bad, and to see how horrific some can act, truly makes me think twice about how the brain works. (or doesnt work for that matter)

badbrains

I know exactly what you're talking about Johnny. And I know that feeling u had inside u from watching buddy. I lied in bed many nights wondering how can anyone do that?!?!?! I'm wondering if that genes in everyone, the gene that allows u to lose all feeling inside u and commit such brutal disregard for life....

PJ_Soul

badbrains wrote:

I know exactly what you're talking about Johnny. And I know that feeling u had inside u from watching buddy. I lied in bed many nights wondering how can anyone do that?!?!?! I'm wondering if that genes in everyone, the gene that allows u to lose all feeling inside u and commit such brutal disregard for life....

Yeah, I understand watching it too.... God, I still often think about some vids I watched to learn what is done to animals as a paying supporter of IFAW, and feel disturbed years and years after when I think of them... watching humans being tortured is way worse... But I get watching it, kind of to witness the horror and understand it, rather than just keeping your head in the sand.

But then there is the other motivation. Some gross people i was stuck with one night when I was much much younger put on Faces of Death when I was there (and I was on acid. ). I'm not even sure if Faces of Death is real or what, but those weirdos certainly thought so, and they were actually getting off on it and laughing and actually seemed to think it was awesome. Pure entertainment, watching people die horrible deaths. I walked out, and never went near them again. I don't know how people can sit and watch shit like that and not just feel horrified. Gross, very stupid people can I guess.

hedonist

Oh man, Faces of Death was almost a rite of passage when I was in my teens. I watched it with my sister - no laughing though, more like morbid fascination.

These many years later, I'm not inclined to subject myself to that kind of imagery and brutality - of people OR animals - although I get the reasons stated above for watching this sort of thing.

MayDay10

Curiousity got me once and I watched a beheading video back in '04?

It was horrible.

Learned my lesson and shit like that I subscribe to 'ignorance is bliss'.

facepollution

badbrains wrote:

I was curious. I think everybody has a little curiosity in them. Do I recommend everyone watch, HELL NO. Am I glad I saw the videos, HELL YES cuz it shows u what REAL evil is and that it's out there. Sometimes it's the tiniest thing that can decide if u live or die. I'm sure these guys who were brutalized by these fucks had NO IDEA they were gonna get murdered. Death for these beasts is to civil. If you've seen the videos youd understand.

Why do you need to see evil to know it's out there? I know from reading about it that the acts they commited are evil.

PJ_Soul

facepollution wrote:

badbrains wrote:

I was curious. I think everybody has a little curiosity in them. Do I recommend everyone watch, HELL NO. Am I glad I saw the videos, HELL YES cuz it shows u what REAL evil is and that it's out there. Sometimes it's the tiniest thing that can decide if u live or die. I'm sure these guys who were brutalized by these fucks had NO IDEA they were gonna get murdered. Death for these beasts is to civil. If you've seen the videos youd understand.

Why do you need to see evil to know it's out there? I know from reading about it that the acts they commited are evil.

Some people feel they need to see stuff to understand it; some people want to really grasp everything, even the awful stuff. I don't see a problem with that, and I don't think there's anything wrong with it. It's easy to SAY you understand something or whatever, but without witnessing it, some people just don't feel that way. I'm one of them. I want to see and understand anything that I want to talk about or discuss, really (although I've not sought out the Magnotta murder vid, I have watched some of the other shit online that he posted, as well as a vid about his vids with killing kittens, made by animal rights activists - just wanted to get a clearer view of what the guy is about). I only have a problem with people who like it or get some sick pleasure out of it.

Jason P

I've sat in the stands behind Bill Belichick and his coaching staff ... I don't need to watch this video to know what true evil looks like.

facepollution

PJ_Soul wrote:

Some people feel they need to see stuff to understand it; some people want to really grasp everything, even the awful stuff. I don't see a problem with that, and I don't think there's anything wrong with it. It's easy to SAY you understand something or whatever, but without witnessing it, some people just don't feel that way. I'm one of them. I want to see and understand anything that I want to talk about or discuss, really (although I've not sought out the Magnotta murder vid, I have watched some of the other shit online that he posted, as well as a vid about his vids with killing kittens, made by animal rights activists - just wanted to get a clearer view of what the guy is about). I only have a problem with people who like it or get some sick pleasure out of it.

So if it wasn't for the internet you wouldn't really have the ability to fully understand something so horrific? How exactly does it enrich your knowledge of the subject? I wonder how the victim or the family would feel about people watching their brutal death to satisfy their curiosity? How would you feel if it was a member of your family whose death was viewable online?

Drowned Out

There should be no death penalty for people like this. Life term is good enough
(not touching the rehabilitation part).

What shocked me most about this is that he allegedly dated Karla Homolka.....wtf....is there some kind of sadist/murderer club you can join in Ontario, or what? :?

Jason P

Drowned Out wrote:

There should be no death penalty for people like this. Life term is good enough
(not touching the rehabilitation part).

What shocked me most about this is that he allegedly dated Karla Homolka.....wtf....is there some kind of sadist/murderer club you can join in Ontario, or what? :?

Apparently he was a big Stevie Yzerman fan as well.

Then again, who isn't?

PJ_Soul

facepollution wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Some people feel they need to see stuff to understand it; some people want to really grasp everything, even the awful stuff. I don't see a problem with that, and I don't think there's anything wrong with it. It's easy to SAY you understand something or whatever, but without witnessing it, some people just don't feel that way. I'm one of them. I want to see and understand anything that I want to talk about or discuss, really (although I've not sought out the Magnotta murder vid, I have watched some of the other shit online that he posted, as well as a vid about his vids with killing kittens, made by animal rights activists - just wanted to get a clearer view of what the guy is about). I only have a problem with people who like it or get some sick pleasure out of it.

So if it wasn't for the internet you wouldn't really have the ability to fully understand something so horrific? How exactly does it enrich your knowledge of the subject? I wonder how the victim or the family would feel about people watching their brutal death to satisfy their curiosity? How would you feel if it was a member of your family whose death was viewable online?

Well, for example, I wouldn't be able to advocate for IFAW if I didn't really know what was being done to animals in cases where IFAW contributes. So if I didn't watch the videos of cat and dog and seal slaughters or of dancing bears, etc, and exactly what is done to them and what it's REALLY like, I couldn't advocate against it to the best of my abilities. I personally have never watched a human death video that wasn't on the news, aside from that time those creeps turned on Faces of Death, and I walked out (although the news does fill in a lot of info). But I can still understand why people would watch such things for the sake of a better understanding in order to fully advocate against it or fully grasp the situation.
I personally find the "how would you feel if" argument a little useless, btw. It's too simple, and ignores human nature. I get it... It's just not realistically a way to approach these kinds of subjects.

MayDay10

its human nature to gaze at the aftermath car crash if it comes into view. Its unpleasant, and there is always a chance of seeing something terrible, but most people have to choose to fight the urge.

JonnyPistachio

MayDay10 wrote:

its human nature to gaze at the aftermath car crash if it comes into view. Its unpleasant, and there is always a chance of seeing something terrible, but most people have to choose to fight the urge.

This might come out wrong, but I've also always seen it kinda as an ode to the victim. I can feel for the person more, and I find that I tend to appreciate life a tad bit more when I've seen the devil.

PJ_Soul

MayDay10 wrote:

its human nature to gaze at the aftermath car crash if it comes into view. Its unpleasant, and there is always a chance of seeing something terrible, but most people have to choose to fight the urge.

I think it would actually be weird if someone didn't want to see the aftermath of a car crash... I mean, we're people. Of course we're going to be drawn to our fellow humans' tragedies, to want to see them and know what's going on. I think it would be rather inhuman to choose to ignore human tragedy and pretend it doesn't exist. Whoever figures it is more noble to turn away from human tragedy is a bit of a fool.

gimmesometruth27

when i was younger i saw the first 4 or 5 faces of death movies. we watched the first few on vhs tape in high school at a slumber party at a friend's house built in the early 1900s which was supposedly haunted. we did it to freak ourselves out... i saw the 4th or 5th one in the theater and if you made it through the whole thing they gave you some stupid certificate. i was 18, just old enough to get into the theater. i remember thinking how campy and cheesy the narration was and how fake some of those scenes of "death" looked. one in particular, how a murderer would go ahead and kill someone with a screwdriver knowing there was an entire camera and lighting crew 5 feet from them. he did not acknowledge the crew or threaten them or tell them to turn off the camera or anything. or in another scene a car fell off a jack and landed on a guy's leg severing it just below the knee. but somehow the car had been jacked up to reveal the injury and someone just happened to have a camera who stood by and filmed close up shots of the injury instead of trying to help the guy. it just did not add up to me....

i remember feeling really dirty on the inside after seeing the real stuff, but too much of it looked too fake to me to be really bothered by it.

i chalk it up to morbid curiosity and youthful indiscretion. i would not go to a theater and pay to watch it today.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I think we spend a lot of time trying to think of the reasons why we might be drawn to cases such as this. I think the answer is simple.

The morbid curiousity is a natural trait in human beings. Much like I might find myself admiring a beautiful woman for her curves... I find myself drawn to tragedy. It cannot really be explained- it's just something that happens. Think of ancient Rome and the forum- how men, women, and children cheered for gore. Think of today as we pass by a road side accident, watch war footage or read about true crime. We just do it- always have and likely always will. Let's not give ourselves too much credit- we're a complex animal... stirred by instincts just like many other animals we share the planet with.

Tool's Vicarious is quite the profound song that sure resonates in me when I read this thread. What a wicked band.

PJ_Soul

Drowned Out wrote:

There should be no death penalty for people like this. Life term is good enough
(not touching the rehabilitation part).

What shocked me most about this is that he allegedly dated Karla Homolka.....wtf....is there some kind of sadist/murderer club you can join in Ontario, or what? :?

From what I can tell, the Karla story is bullshit that luka himself may have started and then denied. And the fact that she is WAY older than him enforces that. He is 29... I think she did her shit in 94 or 96, and she was already an adult then. No one has found any reason to think a relationship with her ever existed.

MayDay10

I looked into the backstory of 3 guys, 1 hammer. Holy crap, what a couple of crazy, dangerous fucks. Happy they are behind bars though.

facepollution

PJ_Soul wrote:

I think it would actually be weird if someone didn't want to see the aftermath of a car crash... I mean, we're people. Of course we're going to be drawn to our fellow humans' tragedies, to want to see them and know what's going on. I think it would be rather inhuman to choose to ignore human tragedy and pretend it doesn't exist. Whoever figures it is more noble to turn away from human tragedy is a bit of a fool.

Is the urge not more because you don't know what the outcome is if you pass a car crash? With a snuff video you presumably know what the outcome is before you see it? Plus it's not like you just happen to stumble across this stuff. In addition, what possible reason would anyone have for putting such videos up online, other than for financial/entertainment value?