A Perfect Example of Deflection:

pandora

BinauralJam wrote:

You commute to school, put in 7 to 8 hours a day and commute home, Fuck homework, were on my time now.
you had 7 to 8 hours to teach me something today, if that wasnt enough, you suck as a teacher, quit.

I really agree with this!

most especially with all the extra curricular sports, music, scouts etc etc.

inmytree

pandora wrote:

The media was called in because the mother was pissed the teacher hadn't come to her
with the problem and instead made a fool our of her child.
Great example that was for children.
Lets teach the children to pick on others and spot them out, humiliate and ridicule :?

Yes a good parent follows through on homework
and the parent perhaps was told there was none or I did it.
8 years old really starts the homework in full force.... 2nd grade...
at least 20 years ago when my kids were little.

For me it was fail fail on the teachers part. Would I have gone to the media...
maybe after being blown off by the principal. Really?

Sarcasm is not for children period, they like to trust adults and their words,
face value.
It can also make for snippy or snide remarks by teens ...
always a joy.

Amercia...

pandora

inmytree wrote:

pandora wrote:

The media was called in because the mother was pissed the teacher hadn't come to her
with the problem and instead made a fool our of her child.
Great example that was for children.
Lets teach the children to pick on others and spot them out, humiliate and ridicule :?

Yes a good parent follows through on homework
and the parent perhaps was told there was none or I did it.
8 years old really starts the homework in full force.... 2nd grade...
at least 20 years ago when my kids were little.

For me it was fail fail on the teachers part. Would I have gone to the media...
maybe after being blown off by the principal. Really?

Sarcasm is not for children period, they like to trust adults and their words,
face value.
It can also make for snippy or snide remarks by teens ...
always a joy.

Amercia...

some things do fall on the backs of the teachers like in this case.

inmytree

pandora wrote:

inmytree wrote:

pandora wrote:

The media was called in because the mother was pissed the teacher hadn't come to her
with the problem and instead made a fool our of her child.
Great example that was for children.
Lets teach the children to pick on others and spot them out, humiliate and ridicule :?

Yes a good parent follows through on homework
and the parent perhaps was told there was none or I did it.
8 years old really starts the homework in full force.... 2nd grade...
at least 20 years ago when my kids were little.

For me it was fail fail on the teachers part. Would I have gone to the media...
maybe after being blown off by the principal. Really?

Sarcasm is not for children period, they like to trust adults and their words,
face value.
It can also make for snippy or snide remarks by teens ...
always a joy.

Amercia...

some things do fall on the backs of the teachers like in this case.

um...the teacher pointed out the kid wasn't doing homework and the child was simply giving excuse after excuse...yeah, I guess that teacher didn't do the job...

catefrances

pandora wrote:

..
Sarcasm is not for children period, they like to trust adults and their words,
face value...

disagree. my children have never had a problem with it... nor as it turns out does the toddlermonster. shes 5 and a half and even she uses it at times so clearly shes in complete control of her faculties and her language. we gotta stop thinking kids are all the same.. theyre not. my household is a talking household(difficult to believe i know. ) and we use everything available to us. when sarcasm is employed its not done maliciously so theres no problem. teach the children and they have the knowledge. simple.

StillHere

that cartoon has it all right
when i was a kid
when my kids were kids
I, and then them, were responsible for our work and our grades
Not our teachers
Our teachers were responsible for instructing us
WE were responsible for listening and learning

Drowned Out

Inlet:


Here's the thing:

1) Most here admit that at this age, the child is somewhat dependent on monitoring from the parent (hence your backpack line).
2) If the child comes in with missing assignments, the teacher should contact the parent. But, let's be real here... if the parent was doing their job, this "contacting" wouldn't be necessary to begin with.
Punish the kid for the parent’s failings. Ok.
3) Further, the child doesn't seem to be responding to the teacher's requests and is clearly making up excuses.
Clearly, huh? What were the excuses? What do you know about what goes on in this kids’ home and personal life? How do you know the teacher isn’t full of shit and a good portion of these 'excuses' are legit, or due to the parent?
4) And what if, despite all attempts, the parent can't get through to the parent?
I guess you make fun of the kid and get the class to laugh at her. Cause there are no other options for a ‘good’ teacher.
5) I see good reason for this sort of lesson to BOTH the child and the parent as a response to all the above. Peer pressure can work as an advocate for "good" sometimes. I think the teacher knows this.
This is the only point that attempts to justify what the teacher did, instead of just criticizing the parent. Do you really think this is going to turn into a situation where the other kids will push the daughter to excel and do her homework? Doubt it. They’ll either forget about it, or they’ll ostracize her. My guess is there will be a lot of catastrophe jokes made at her expense, for a long time to come. You don’t think there was a better way to handle this? As for your ‘didn’t call her a catastrophe’ comment….semantics. So you win the best new artist grammy….you’re not being called the best new artist, you’re just being given an award for it? Talk about deflection….
6) I think it's further evidence on poor parenting by this Mother's need to rush to the TV network news. The problem isn't generating headlines here. The problem is her child...
I agree. But it still doesn’t excuse what the teacher did. None of your points do imo.

a) refusing to do homework
More speculation. How do you know the kid refuses to do homework?
b) making up wild excuses for not doing such
We don’t know what the excuses are, and we don’t know if the teacher is exaggerating.

Losing sight of that is problematic. And that's exactly what this woman wants and expects... because that's what our society does... this thread is proof...
:roll: You're using generalizations and speculation to build your high horse.

To be clear: I'm not sticking up for this parent, I'm sticking up for the kid

pandora

inmytree wrote:

pandora wrote:

inmytree wrote:

Amercia...

some things do fall on the backs of the teachers like in this case.

um...the teacher pointed out the kid wasn't doing homework and the child was simply giving excuse after excuse...yeah, I guess that teacher didn't do the job...

You agree then with the example of chastising a child in front of the class?

Wouldn't a call to the parent be the way to go here?

cincybearcat

Honestly, we don't know enough from this little article to know who all played a part in this failure.

Obviously the student did. She owns her own failure here. She knew what was expected of her and she decided to make up stories instead of doing the work. Let's not lose focus here.

Obviously the parent did. NO matter if the school had contacted her or not, if her kid was not completing so much homework that she was given this silly award, normal parenting could have detected the problem first. How about talking to the teacher to see how everything is going instead of waiting for them to come to you?

It is not obvious that the teacher did, she may have contacted the parent(s), explained the problem with the child, etc. If she didn't, then she is at fault for making fun of the situation instead of trying to get it fixed.

If parents are going to wait for the teacher to intervene everytime, it will almost always be way too late. How many kids are there per teacher? How many parents per kid? Should be 2:1, but is at least 1:1 (usually). Take an interest. Ask questions. Be proactive in speaking with your kids teacher. BE A PART OF YOUR KIDS EDUCATION!!!!

cincybearcat

pandora wrote:

You agree then with the example of chastising a child in front of the class?

Wouldn't a call to the parent be the way to go here?

Probably not the best thing to do. But boo-freakin-hoo. Do your homework!!!

DO you know what steps this teacher took prior to that award? Nope, we don't so maybe it was the next logical step, and maybe it wasn't. But let's not victimize the person who caused the whole problem here. That won't teach this kid any lesson other than I do what I want and someone else is to blame.

inmytree

pandora wrote:

You agree then with the example of chastising a child in front of the class?

Wouldn't a call to the parent be the way to go here?

yes and yes...

know1

I don't think kids should have homework until middle or high school....unless they are refusing to do the work in class.

pandora

Sarcasm is "a sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter jibe or taunt",

I feel this teacher did just this with her award.

The receiver of the sarcasm may think differently then the one initiating it.
Embracing all people in a way that helps them understand and feel welcome
is what teaching and conversation is about.

inmytree

pandora wrote:

Sarcasm is "a sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter jibe or taunt",

I feel this teacher did just this with her award.

The receiver of the sarcasm may think differently then the one initiating it.
Embracing all people in a way that helps them understand and feel welcome
is what teaching and conversation is about.

well...this little one may have some hurt feelings...at least she knows that she should be doing her homework...

lesson learned...

next...

hedonist

Jeanwah wrote:

Teachers and parents are supposed to be working together, and this parent and teacher doesn't know what the hell the other is doing. Fail on both parts.

Yup.

catefrances

pandora wrote:

The receiver of the sarcasm may think differently then the one initiating it....

absolutely... if they dont understand it or cant recognise it for what it is. its all in the tone and the delivery.

pandora

cincybearcat wrote:

pandora wrote:

You agree then with the example of chastising a child in front of the class?

Wouldn't a call to the parent be the way to go here?

Probably not the best thing to do. But boo-freakin-hoo. Do your homework!!!

DO you know what steps this teacher took prior to that award? Nope, we don't so maybe it was the next logical step, and maybe it wasn't. But let's not victimize the person who caused the whole problem here. That won't teach this kid any lesson other than I do what I want and someone else is to blame.

I will blame the adult when they make a fool out of a child in front of the class
and probably much of the school.
And we wonder why there are bullies about :?

Adults set examples...this teacher set a very poor one... unacceptable.

Call the parent and tell them what is going on...no brainer.
If that doesn't work hold the child back. The child will learn to do the work to get ahead
not because they will be bullied if they don't.

pandora

inmytree wrote:

pandora wrote:

Sarcasm is "a sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter jibe or taunt",

I feel this teacher did just this with her award.

The receiver of the sarcasm may think differently then the one initiating it.
Embracing all people in a way that helps them understand and feel welcome
is what teaching and conversation is about.

well...this little one may have some hurt feelings...at least she knows that she should be doing her homework...

lesson learned...

next...

she also learned its ok to make fun, ridicule and humiliate...
lesson 3 ? Hope is better than 2

inmytree

pandora wrote:

inmytree wrote:

pandora wrote:

Sarcasm is "a sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter jibe or taunt",

I feel this teacher did just this with her award.

The receiver of the sarcasm may think differently then the one initiating it.
Embracing all people in a way that helps them understand and feel welcome
is what teaching and conversation is about.

well...this little one may have some hurt feelings...at least she knows that she should be doing her homework...

lesson learned...

next...

she also learned its ok to make fun, ridicule and humiliate...
lesson 3 ? Hope is better than 2

you act as if you were there....my guess that the award was given in jest...and the child and the class thought is was funny...if this kid doesn't learn to A) take a joke and do her homework she won't have a very productive future...

I get the sense you're personalizing this...

inlet13

Drowned Out wrote:

Punish the kid for the parent’s failings. Ok.

This is exactly it. It's not just the parent's failings, it's the child's as well. Clearly, we've learned that the parent doesn't think the child can do any wrong... even if they don't do their homework. Unfortunately, in life, lessons are sometimes taught the hard way. I don't call that process "punishment", I call it education.

Drowned Out wrote:

Clearly, huh? What were the excuses? What do you know about what goes on in this kids’ home and personal life? How do you know the teacher isn’t full of shit and a good portion of these 'excuses' are legit, or due to the parent?

Yes, clearly. We don't know the excuses because they weren't included. But, I believe that they were most likely pretty extreme in order to get a "catastrophe" award. Further, since you're obviously completely sided against the teacher here - I'll ask you - what were the excuses? How do you know how ridiculous they were? How do you know whether they were so ridiculous they caused laughter from fellow students? How do you know the student didn't getting a kick out of making these excuses and getting attention and not doing her work? How do you know that the teacher didn't contact the Mom several times?

I'm not trying to pick on the student, I'm trying to say we don't know. You're clearly saying that you doubt the teacher and think she's making this up. I'm saying back to you - I don't see why she'd need to do that. Think incentives. Whereas, I do see why a student would make up ridiculous excuses like - an alien came down from the sky and destroyed my desk and that's why I don't have my homework.

Drowned Out wrote:

I guess you make fun of the kid and get the class to laugh at her. Cause there are no other options for a ‘good’ teacher.

Perhaps the kid was "getting the class to laugh at her on her own" through her excuses? No one's getting the class to laugh at her. It was most likely a truth-filled award. She has ridiculous excuses for why her assignments are MIA. The teacher pointed it out. This "boo-hoo" nonsense is so wasted here.

Drowned Out wrote:

This is the only point that attempts to justify what the teacher did, instead of just criticizing the parent. Do you really think this is going to turn into a situation where the other kids will push the daughter to excel and do her homework? Doubt it. They’ll either forget about it, or they’ll ostracize her. My guess is there will be a lot of catastrophe jokes made at her expense, for a long time to come. You don’t think there was a better way to handle this? As for your ‘didn’t call her a catastrophe’ comment….semantics. So you win the best new artist grammy….you’re not being called the best new artist, you’re just being given an award for it? Talk about deflection….

I think she'll probably make less crazy rationales for why she didn't do assignments. Otherwise, she probably would have kept doing it. Like I said, her Mom is a perfect example of someone running to the media to CATASTROPHIZE a situation. And no offense, but you seem to be the perfect bait for her. Like Mother, like child.

Drowned Out wrote:

I agree. But it still doesn’t excuse what the teacher did. None of your points do imo.

The teacher pointed out, in a tongue and cheek manner what the child did.

Drowned Out wrote:

refusing to do homework - More speculation. How do you know the kid refuses to do homework?

Are you a defense attorney for the student? I wish I had people like you around when I had to tell my parents why I didn't hand in an assignment or got a bad grade.

I know it because the child's teacher says she didn't.

Drowned Out wrote:

making up wild excuses for not doing such - We don’t know what the excuses are, and we don’t know if the teacher is exaggerating.

True, we don't. But, I see no reason whatsoever for the teacher to exaggerate. Think - incentives.

Drowned Out wrote:

To be clear: I'm not sticking up for this parent, I'm sticking up for the kid

By sticking up for the kid you are sticking up for the parent. And further, the kid needs to learn somehow. Clearly, the parent is not going to teach the child. The teacher is trying, you may not like the method, but if you have a better method than become a teacher.