A Perfect Example of Deflection:
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http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/8-old-gets-catastrophe-award-most-homework-excuses-113936385--abc-news-topstories.html
To me - this woman, and the media that cover this making her a victim, are exactly what are wrong with our society. Her daughter didn't do homework consistently and made clever excuses each time. Yet her target is the teacher for jokingly pointing that out.
Deflect...
The "it's never my (or my child's) fault" society continues to expand with each facebook post.
To me - this woman, and the media that cover this making her a victim, are exactly what are wrong with our society. Her daughter didn't do homework consistently and made clever excuses each time. Yet her target is the teacher for jokingly pointing that out.
Deflect...
The "it's never my (or my child's) fault" society continues to expand with each facebook post.
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Still....I think people take the backlash to 'deflection' too far at times. People are so quick to jump on parents for sticking up for their kids. I think what this teacher did was wrong. The teacher should have sat down and talked to the kid about the homework, and sent a note home or called the parents. Calling out an 8 year old in front of the class, esp with a mocking 'award' is bullshit and I'd be upset if it was my kid too.
And how does this relate to facebook in any way? :?
You would be upset at the teacher, but not upset that your 3rd grader can't complete a fucking homework assignment and continually makes excusses?
Don't you look in your kids backpack when they get home to go over what they did in school that day or to see if they had any homework?
Someone needs to post that newspaper cartoon of the parents in 1960's yelling at their kids in front of their teacher and the parents today telling at the teacher... Seems very appropriate right now
if this were my child(and i do have some) id laugh it off cause id know why they got it. id not take it seriously and id make damn sure my child didnt either. but i know all kids(and parents) arent the same. and i have to say im a little biased when it comes to the subject of homework.. i dont believe in it and i do not force my children to do it. i make it their decision.
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What the teacher did was point out something that had been occurring over and over again throughout the year. The kid was making up new and clever excuses to not do homework. She "rewarded" her for her clever excuses. In my opinion, it was "clever" of the teacher to do it this way.
Everything we're saying other than that is speculative, but I'd bet the Mom would have freaked at the teacher if the teacher approached her about the child's excuses. In fact, I'd bet that happened at least once before this reward was given. Regardless, I see nothing wrong with this. The kid was not doing homework and making constant excuses for it. She wouldn't have received the reward if she did her assignments,... or better yet, even if she didn't do them, she wouldn't have received this if she didn't make up clever excuses for not doing the assignments.
Narcissism. Living in a bubble of "you". How dare a teacher question you or any thing that belongs to you (like your kids). Deflection. I bet the Mom's on facebook a lot.
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but an 8 year old, no. too young, they prob don't "get it" as a joke
but i don't think the mom should be going all out about that
i also don't think the teacher should be giving out this award to an 8 year old
save it for your middle school kids..they'll get a kick out of it
THE REAL ISSUE is ...why wasn't mom on top of an 8 year old's homework assignments?
8 is a little young to be left up to her own as to whether or not she's completed her work
don't they use homework assignment books any more?
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some can be very sarcastic too, no place for that with children in the classroom.
Why no parent teacher conference to say hey what's with all the excuses?
I just don't agree with the teachers' handling of the situation. Maybe it was a joke....but the teacher had to know it would shame and belittle the kid - the obvious purpose of the award. When we're trying to teach kids not to be bullies, what kind of lesson does it send a class to mock an 8 year old with a fake award intended to ridicule?
im glad you added this cause i know that children do have the capacity to understand sarcasm... even when theyre as young as 8.
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This is an example of falling for everything you read in the media as truth, and letting the media manipulate your critical thinking skills.
Teachers and parents are supposed to be working together, and this parent and teacher doesn't know what the hell the other is doing. Fail on both parts.
Here's the thing:
1) Most here admit that at this age, the child is somewhat dependent on monitoring from the parent (hence your backpack line).
2) If the child comes in with missing assignments, the teacher should contact the parent. But, let's be real here... if the parent was doing their job, this "contacting" wouldn't be necessary to begin with.
3) Further, the child doesn't seem to be responding to the teacher's requests and is clearly making up excuses.
4) And what if, despite all attempts, the teacher can't get through to the parent?
5) I see good reason for this sort of lesson to BOTH the child and the parent as a response to all the above. Peer pressure can work as an advocate for "good" sometimes. I think the teacher knows this.
6) I think it's further evidence on poor parenting by this Mother's need to rush to the TV network news. The problem isn't generating headlines here. The problem is her child...
a) refusing to do homework
b) making up wild excuses for not doing such
Losing sight of that is problematic. And that's exactly what this woman wants and expects... because that's what our society does... this thread is proof...
DEFLECTION.
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She wasn't called a catastrophe. Re-read it. She received the "catastrophe award" because she labeled her excuses for not turning in assignments due to this or that catastrophe. Ironically, her Mom is now showing exactly where her child gets this from. Don't you recognize that fact?
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you had 7 to 8 hours to teach me something today, if that wasnt enough, you suck as a teacher, quit.
I have a (step) grandson that does this. he's 12 now but he's been avoiding homework and making up CRAZY excuses ever since I've known him
even at his age we have to check to be sure he is doing the work AND then after he does the work, he sometimes won't even hand it in....what's with that. We have had to use an assignment book type approach monitored from both ends..parent and teacher...every day
I'm using that as an Example: Some Kids just need more supervision than others when it comes to this stuff
Parents...that's your job. Most schools will allow you to use an assignment book type approach monitored from both ends..parent and teacher...every day
Teachers..its YOUR job not only to teach the kids but to engage them and stimulate them and make them WANT to learn from you... not belittle them...YES there are consequences for not doing your homework..and they should be the same for everyone in the class, and age appropriate
AND IMHO the consequences should come from both sides of the fence..not just in school, if you don't do your school work, because at that age and all the way up until you are done with your formal education, your School Work IS your job kids. That's the most important job a parent can give a kid..and they have to assist them in developing the skills needed to perform that job. Right?
The parents should be doing their job AND the parents have a right to expect the teachers to also being doing their job....correctly
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I agree with nearly everything you say here....I think this lady is a idiot...but you lose me with you blanket statements about "society"...just because lady is "defecting" doesn't mean society has a whole is doing the same...
Also, do kids still use Trapper Keepers these days? They used to have some pretty rad designs.
with the problem and instead made a fool our of her child.
Great example that was for children.
Lets teach the children to pick on others and spot them out, humiliate and ridicule :?
Yes a good parent follows through on homework
and the parent perhaps was told there was none or I did it.
8 years old really starts the homework in full force.... 2nd grade...
at least 20 years ago when my kids were little.
For me it was fail fail on the teachers part. Would I have gone to the media...
maybe after being blown off by the principal. Really?
Sarcasm is not for children period, they like to trust adults and their words,
face value.
It can also make for snippy or snide remarks by teens ...
always a joy.
most especially with all the extra curricular sports, music, scouts etc etc.
Amercia...
um...the teacher pointed out the kid wasn't doing homework and the child was simply giving excuse after excuse...yeah, I guess that teacher didn't do the job...
disagree. my children have never had a problem with it... nor as it turns out does the toddlermonster. shes 5 and a half and even she uses it at times so clearly shes in complete control of her faculties and her language. we gotta stop thinking kids are all the same.. theyre not. my household is a talking household(difficult to believe i know.
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when i was a kid
when my kids were kids
I, and then them, were responsible for our work and our grades
Not our teachers
Our teachers were responsible for instructing us
WE were responsible for listening and learning
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"How I choose to feel is how I am." ~ EV/MMc
"Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy, or they become legends." ~ One Stab ~
Here's the thing:
1) Most here admit that at this age, the child is somewhat dependent on monitoring from the parent (hence your backpack line).
2) If the child comes in with missing assignments, the teacher should contact the parent. But, let's be real here... if the parent was doing their job, this "contacting" wouldn't be necessary to begin with.
Punish the kid for the parent’s failings. Ok.
3) Further, the child doesn't seem to be responding to the teacher's requests and is clearly making up excuses.
Clearly, huh? What were the excuses? What do you know about what goes on in this kids’ home and personal life? How do you know the teacher isn’t full of shit and a good portion of these 'excuses' are legit, or due to the parent?
4) And what if, despite all attempts, the parent can't get through to the parent?
I guess you make fun of the kid and get the class to laugh at her. Cause there are no other options for a ‘good’ teacher.
5) I see good reason for this sort of lesson to BOTH the child and the parent as a response to all the above. Peer pressure can work as an advocate for "good" sometimes. I think the teacher knows this.
This is the only point that attempts to justify what the teacher did, instead of just criticizing the parent. Do you really think this is going to turn into a situation where the other kids will push the daughter to excel and do her homework? Doubt it. They’ll either forget about it, or they’ll ostracize her. My guess is there will be a lot of catastrophe jokes made at her expense, for a long time to come. You don’t think there was a better way to handle this? As for your ‘didn’t call her a catastrophe’ comment….semantics. So you win the best new artist grammy….you’re not being called the best new artist, you’re just being given an award for it? Talk about deflection….
6) I think it's further evidence on poor parenting by this Mother's need to rush to the TV network news. The problem isn't generating headlines here. The problem is her child...
I agree. But it still doesn’t excuse what the teacher did. None of your points do imo.
a) refusing to do homework
More speculation. How do you know the kid refuses to do homework?
b) making up wild excuses for not doing such
We don’t know what the excuses are, and we don’t know if the teacher is exaggerating.
Losing sight of that is problematic. And that's exactly what this woman wants and expects... because that's what our society does... this thread is proof...
:roll: You're using generalizations and speculation to build your high horse.
To be clear: I'm not sticking up for this parent, I'm sticking up for the kid
Wouldn't a call to the parent be the way to go here?
Obviously the student did. She owns her own failure here. She knew what was expected of her and she decided to make up stories instead of doing the work. Let's not lose focus here.
Obviously the parent did. NO matter if the school had contacted her or not, if her kid was not completing so much homework that she was given this silly award, normal parenting could have detected the problem first. How about talking to the teacher to see how everything is going instead of waiting for them to come to you?
It is not obvious that the teacher did, she may have contacted the parent(s), explained the problem with the child, etc. If she didn't, then she is at fault for making fun of the situation instead of trying to get it fixed.
If parents are going to wait for the teacher to intervene everytime, it will almost always be way too late. How many kids are there per teacher? How many parents per kid? Should be 2:1, but is at least 1:1 (usually). Take an interest. Ask questions. Be proactive in speaking with your kids teacher. BE A PART OF YOUR KIDS EDUCATION!!!!
Probably not the best thing to do. But boo-freakin-hoo. Do your homework!!!
DO you know what steps this teacher took prior to that award? Nope, we don't so maybe it was the next logical step, and maybe it wasn't. But let's not victimize the person who caused the whole problem here. That won't teach this kid any lesson other than I do what I want and someone else is to blame.