Obama’s war on coal hits your electric bill

PJ_Soul

Godfather. wrote:

Last-12-Exit wrote:

There is no such thing as "clean coal". There isn't a readily available source for our countys energy needs. Burning coal is not fading. The regulations are increasing power costs for all consumers, residential, commercial, and industrial. Would u rather have a coal fired plant 2 miles from your home or a nuclear plant?

The united states can shut down every coal fired plant in the country and it wouldn't put a dent in reducing pollutions because no country in Asia follows any environmental emissions controls.

I am sitting in my companies coal yard right now and praying obama will leave it the hell alone. I like my job. I make a good living burning almost 30,000 tons of this black gold a day.

I hope your job is not affected by all this bullshit and I wish you good luck.

Godfather.

... I kind of thought Last 12 Exit was being facetious because of the last sentence, but probably not. :?
Anyone must concede that moving away from coal will be a tough thing for some people involved in the industry (and, in the future, the move away from gasoline)... But that doesn't make it bullshit. Real change can be difficult... and necessary. Totally necessary. Presumably, jobs in the green energy sector will be created relative to the growth in that industry. Meanwhile, hopefully the government will be able to offer some useful help to those in the coal and gasoline industries as those jobs dwindle, but yeah, no one hold their breath. Anyway, in the end, we as a society need to support these kinds of changes and think in terms of the long run. Easy for one to say when she's not losing her job, but that doesn't make it any less true.

Last-12-Exit

juan lester wrote:

well, this is happening.

http://www.treehugger.com/renewable-ene ... obama.html

fingers crossed to be up and running by december.

There's a reason that's being built in Wyoming. No American city can run on a 3000 MW wind farm. That's perfect for Wyoming farmers and small mom and pop business owners. The 4 units at the plant I work at can produce 2800mw at full capacity and we are still buying power to fill the need in the summer time.

I don't disagree with using renewable energy. But i a do disagree with obama throwing regulations down so heavy that it costs me my job.

ONCE DEVIDED

Godfather. wrote:

Last-12-Exit wrote:

There is no such thing as "clean coal". There isn't a readily available source for our countys energy needs. Burning coal is not fading. The regulations are increasing power costs for all consumers, residential, commercial, and industrial. Would u rather have a coal fired plant 2 miles from your home or a nuclear plant?

The united states can shut down every coal fired plant in the country and it wouldn't put a dent in reducing pollutions because no country in Asia follows any environmental emissions controls.

I am sitting in my companies coal yard right now and praying obama will leave it the hell alone. I like my job. I make a good living burning almost 30,000 tons of this black gold a day.

I hope your job is not affected by all this bullshit and I wish you good luck.

Godfather.

actually godfather I work in the mining industry so it will be affected. but thats cool. I will suck the coin from it but when its gone our world will be better for it

Last-12-Exit

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

Last-12-Exit wrote:

There is no such thing as "clean coal". There isn't a readily available source for our countys energy needs. Burning coal is not fading. The regulations are increasing power costs for all consumers, residential, commercial, and industrial. Would u rather have a coal fired plant 2 miles from your home or a nuclear plant?

The united states can shut down every coal fired plant in the country and it wouldn't put a dent in reducing pollutions because no country in Asia follows any environmental emissions controls.

I am sitting in my companies coal yard right now and praying obama will leave it the hell alone. I like my job. I make a good living burning almost 30,000 tons of this black gold a day.

I hope your job is not affected by all this bullshit and I wish you good luck.

Godfather.

actually godfather I work in the mining industry so it will be affected. but thats cool. I will suck the coin from it but when its gone our world will be better for it

Don't kid yourself, burning coal will never be gone.

ONCE DEVIDED

Burning coal will never be gone is a lazy attitude
All that's required to wipe it is a cheaper, reliable alternative

Seing how coal in reality is energy from the sun trapped in swamps and wetlands that have been buried for millions of years well why can't we use the energy from our sun right now
Instead of expending massive amounts of other types of fuels to dig up,prepare, then freight coal around the world why not use the sun wherever we are. No transport costs

It easy and lazy to use coal. Simple
It's easy to keep on using it

So let's price the fucker so it's easier on your wallet to use alternates or just use less power

pandora

thanks for the link to the letters ...

I'll lose my house if this electric bill goes any higher!

I agree get the alternative in place first! gosh darn it! :fp:

they must think we are all made out of money :evil:

inmytree

PJ_Soul wrote:

I don't understand... was this thread intended to speak against the reduction of coal use as an energy source? ... if so, that's like creating a thread that is in support of dumping toxic waste into the oceans so that chemical companies stop losing money. The war on toxic waste dumping! Please save toxic waste!

Yeah, no shit it can cost more not to destroy the planet. If that weren't the case, no one would be destroying the planet. :?

So way way to go Obama! :thumbup:

exactly....well said...

inmytree

Godfather. wrote:

so is there an answer ? what is in place to save these familys ?
is there a renewable energy sorce in place ?.....or did some dumbass just pull the plug on all these peoples lives with no respect to their livelyhoods and familys.....


Godfather.

I'm sure Mitt will be able to help these folks...

cincybearcat

unsung wrote:

They are closing two coal fired electric plants near Chicago soon. I guess big labor didn't do Obama and Emmanuel enough favors. Instead 150+ union people are looking for work.

Perhaps we can have them ride stationary bikes to generate electricity?

chadwick

pandora wrote:

thanks for the link to the letters ...

I'll lose my house if this electric bill goes any higher!

I agree get the alternative in place first! gosh darn it! :fp:

they must think we are all made out of money :evil:

calm down, pandora. i highly doubt you're going anywhere soon. hell, move into your printing, ink & paper business if ya gotta. turn your a/c up, people us more fans to circulate air throughout the larger scaled homes, (not that yours is large, just sayin), wear less clothes and swim in the pool when hot, beings it's y'all pool you may even swim bunk ass naked if you wish. these are helpful tip in decreasing a electrical bill. turn out the night-lights, and people do not need to participate in 24x7 welding out back in the machine shed and a single household only needs 1 refrigerator. tanning beds are known to increase an electric bill by as much as 40007%

that is quite a jump from 202% vs' using power like there is no tomorrow.

do not get me started on the utility bills a pack of dogs use. some dogs are known to crank the a/c down to friged levels. this will not be tolerated, ever.

catefrances

ONCE DEVIDED wrote:

...We are introducing a big carbon tax in Australia as well
Great news for future generations that we finally are taking some responsibility in our actions

yeah!!! i cant wait to pay more for my electicity bill cause the company is gonna be passing on their tax to me. australia has all the sunshine in the world and yet do we utilise it?? nope. we continue to burn fossil fuels while the coal industry and the cons scream that the governemnt is killing the industry and the families who work in the undustry. yet i watch as our govts for example still allow the raising of inefficient houses(and in the case of sydney, the seemingly never ending expansion of the suburban sprawl with nothing in place to cut down on the reliance of cars) cause theyre also helping prop up the building industry. id have more respect for our govt if they implemented other initiatives alongside the carbon tax.

pandora

chadwick wrote:

pandora wrote:

thanks for the link to the letters ...

I'll lose my house if this electric bill goes any higher!

I agree get the alternative in place first! gosh darn it! :fp:

they must think we are all made out of money :evil:

calm down, pandora. i highly doubt you're going anywhere soon. hell, move into your printing, ink & paper business if ya gotta. turn your a/c up, people us more fans to circulate air throughout the larger scaled homes, (not that yours is large, just sayin), wear less clothes and swim in the pool when hot, beings it's y'all pool you may even swim bunk ass naked if you wish. these are helpful tip in decreasing a electrical bill. turn out the night-lights, and people do not need to participate in 24x7 welding out back in the machine shed and a single household only needs 1 refrigerator. tanning beds are known to increase an electric bill by as much as 40007%

that is quite a jump from 202% vs' using power like there is no tomorrow.

do not get me started on the utility bills a pack of dogs use. some dogs are known to crank the a/c down to friged levels. this will not be tolerated, ever.

If you saw my bill you wouldn't be calm either
We are moving our biz to a new commerical leased space and no we can't live there,
as it is not residential, it's in the lease, our current space as well.
Pools are very expensive on one's electric bill :? part of the problem.

Huge house = huge electric bill, why ours is on the market.

And yes they think we are all made of money and yes get an alternative plan in place
before and stop raising the electric bills!. :fp:

I swear they are systematically reducing home ownership any way they can.
Skyrocketing utility bills and property taxes ( ours went up by 36% ! ) a great way to do it.

Jason P

Is anyone besides me sick and tired of both sides using the word "WAR".

polaris_x

ontario has pledged to close all coal fire plants ... not sure target date but we are almost there ... no one was complaining when that decision was made nor is anyone complaining now ...

81

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

if anything, the oil lobby is waging a war on humans....

fight back and don't use any oil

81

Jason P wrote:

Is anyone besides me sick and tired of both sides using the word "WAR".

we need a war on war usage

blackredyellow

Godfather. wrote:

so is there an answer ? what is in place to save these familys ?
is there a renewable energy sorce in place ?.....or did some dumbass just pull the plug on all these peoples lives with no respect to their livelyhoods and familys.....


Godfather.

This isn't directed at you Godfather, but your post is a perfect example of the the problems with this political climate we have created:

Question #1 - "What's in place to save these families?": Not sure... and I feel bad for anyone losing their job. But on the flipside, people on the right were so up in arms about the auto bailouts, and spending that money helped the families. How many thousands of families would have been without jobs if not for the bailouts? We selectively make emotional arguments to support things that we agree with, and ignore than when they are things we disagree with.

Question #2 - "Is there a renewable energy source in place?": Not really... nothing on the scale we need. Buuuuutttt... when the republicans and oil/coal lobbyist fight tooth and nail against any large scale effort to financially support alternative energies, it's pretty funny when they can conveniently use the excuse of "we need to produce/use more oil and coal, because there is nothing else we can use". It reminds me of the "too big to fail" excuse the banking industry used, after years of fighting any sorts of regulations that would prevent them from getting so big in the first place.

Godfather.

blackredyellow wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

so is there an answer ? what is in place to save these familys ?
is there a renewable energy sorce in place ?.....or did some dumbass just pull the plug on all these peoples lives with no respect to their livelyhoods and familys.....


Godfather.

This isn't directed at you Godfather, but your post is a perfect example of the the problems with this political climate we have created:

Question #1 - "What's in place to save these families?": Not sure... and I feel bad for anyone losing their job. But on the flipside, people on the right were so up in arms about the auto bailouts, and spending that money helped the families. How many thousands of families would have been without jobs if not for the bailouts? We selectively make emotional arguments to support things that we agree with, and ignore than when they are things we disagree with.

Question #2 - "Is there a renewable energy source in place?": Not really... nothing on the scale we need. Buuuuutttt... when the republicans and oil/coal lobbyist fight tooth and nail against any large scale effort to financially support alternative energies, it's pretty funny when they can conveniently use the excuse of "we need to produce/use more oil and coal, because there is nothing else we can use". It reminds me of the "too big to fail" excuse the banking industry used, after years of fighting any sorts of regulations that would prevent them from getting so big in the first place.

wow a great reply for sure thanks ! your post got me thinking/wondering,the working man has been used for excusses and as a scap-goat by politions on all sides, it dosen't seem to mater if it's coal or renewable energy
in the end because the working man will pay the price either way with no real say in the matter.


Godfather.

PJ_Soul

pandora wrote:

thanks for the link to the letters ...

I'll lose my house if this electric bill goes any higher!

I agree get the alternative in place first! gosh darn it! :fp:

they must think we are all made out of money :evil:

People don't change behaviors until they are forced to. I actually think the only way people will make changes is if the old options aren't available anymore or are at least made less available. Shitty but true.
Meanwhile, there are lots of ways to save electricity. I.e. use it less, power smart home plans, etc.

cincybearcat

polaris_x wrote:

ontario has pledged to close all coal fire plants ... not sure target date but we are almost there ... no one was complaining when that decision was made nor is anyone complaining now ...

http://www.ontariotenants.ca/electricit ... 4c18.phtml

Old article. Haven't found anything up to date that wasn't on the govt site yet. Do they have data on jobs, health care costs, etc from this move yet?