his post clearly states that we shouldn't raise awareness about bullying and kids should just suck it up ...
Where does it "clearly state that we shouldn't raise awareness about bullying and kids should just suck it up?" You're reaching at straws, man. My point was... our thought we start a "war on bullying" and destroy it, is naive at best.
i suppose war vets that suffer from ptsd should also suck it up cuz war happens and people die ...
And here we go with another ridiculous diatribe that has nothing to do with the subject. Another point - lying and stealing are bad, right? Should we raise awareness about them? If NOT, why NOT?
Where does it "clearly state that we shouldn't raise awareness about bullying and kids should just suck it up?" You're reaching at straws, man. My point was... our thought we start a "war on bullying" and destroy it, is naive at best.
And here we go with another ridiculous diatribe that has nothing to do with the subject. Another point - lying and stealing are bad, right? Should we raise awareness about them? If NOT, why NOT?
read your post ... first thing you do is rant against celebrities doing PSA's and saying they don't work ... you then go on to say bullying is gonna happen ... parents shouldn't complain to schools ... they should just teach their kids to deal with it and you proceed to call people who rail against people who bully as cry babies ...
it's not ridiculous because your post makes a mockery of victims of bullying ...
as to your question - lying and stealing are bad ... if people want to raise awareness - then so be it ... i have no problem with it ... i sure as hell won't call someone who is a victim of stealing a cry baby ...
dude ... get over yourself ... i am against the post for exactly the reasons i stated ... i have agreed with you in other threads ...
ha ha ha... I basically said that the whole conceptual thought that commercials will make it go away is a charade. I am against bullying. I don't think it's good at all. If people are physically harmed, they should go to the authorities. I shouldn't even have to type that out. Trying to paint me as a person who is condoning the action is simply put... asshole-ish.
I simply am saying - we're taking it too far.... like we do with other things. Parents have a greater role here and should stop deflecting their responsibility. Moreover, we should teach our kids how to handle these problems, because the truth is no matter how many lindsay lohan commercials stating bullying is wrong there are... bullying will continue.
Where in that did I talk about vetrans or other rubbish you try to bring up?
Why do people really think they will ever get bullies to not exist? I mean I'm now seeing commercials to stop bullying. Really? Commercials with famous actors? You think that really will stop it? For real? I don't think it will even make a dent in it, but do you think it will really stop it for good... come on?
you are ranting against people who want to raise awareness against bullying ... why would you do that if you are against bullying!?? ... your usage of the term "cry baby" is pathetic in every sense of the word ... it makes a mockery of people who have suffered societal ills ... your solution is basically to suck it up ...
You are reading this incorrectly and what I really dislike, once again, is you continue to put words in my mouth. It's incredibly immature. So, let me repeat... I'm not "AGAINST" anything. But, thanks for telling me what I am and am not against.
I said bullies are assholes. In the above, I stated that commercials aren't going to stop bullying, nor will they stop the creation of assholes. Do you disagree with that? I'm saying that the money devoted to these causes would be better spent in other areas. For example, I think that building self-esteem or coping mechanisms is more important than awareness campaigns devoted to stopping a behavior that has been around since the dawn of man. We don't live in a land of utopia where you throw money at problems, grab a celebrity or two, and make a commercial... and then the problem suddenly disappears. I'm saying people who think these commercials are really doing a lot of good are naive at best.
Further, I do think the thought behind these campaigns is in the right spot. But, I don't think it will work as I mentioned. I do think that blame is a big problem these days. So, my point on cry babies is simply... parents who are influenced by these commercials. Not kids... parents. These parents see this is a wrong (fair enough it is), but in some cases, they don't really want to help their child's problem, they want to "end" bullying so they take it to TV. That's fucked up in my mind because tghey are embarrassing their child further. But, they are doing so in the name of ending bullying and "drawing awareness". I'm saying that can lead to worse problems for their child. The whole idea of broadening the individual problem is sometimes a very bad idea. Our society does that all the time. That's what I meant by cry-baby. We need to DEAL with the problem of bullying directly. The truth is bullies only stop being bullies when dealt directly, when confronted without fear. I, personally, don't think commercials will help with that - as you do. I think, instead, parents will or SHOULD.
read your post ... first thing you do is rant against celebrities doing PSA's and saying they don't work ... you then go on to say bullying is gonna happen ... parents shouldn't complain to schools ... they should just teach their kids to deal with it and you proceed to call people who rail against people who bully as cry babies ...
I read what you quoted. I did rant against celebrities doing PSA and I do think they don't work. Clearly you disagree and think that that 20 second commercial changes bullies from bullies into non-bullies. What I said was it doesn't work, but that doesn't mean all "awareness" is bad. It means PSA's can be a waste of money. I'd just prefer children to discuss it with their parents. Parents can raise awareness too, you know.
Further, I did say bullying is going to happen. Do you also disagree with that? It sounds like you do. It sounds like you believe PSA's stop bullying. I think you're naive if you believe that.
Finally, I did not say parents should never bring in authorities. In fact, I've said repetitively, if it's severe... they absolutely should. Should they go to teachers? Sure - they can and should under certain circumstances. But, I would note... teachers aren't parents. So, if they go to teachers they shouldn't expect the teacher to "solve" the problem, particularly when the bullying is taking place outside the watch of the teacher. Let's be honest if there's bullying going on under the watch of the teacher - the teacher should have already done something about it. So my point was the parent should welcome a discussion with their child on the subject. They should teach their child how to deal with this unfortunate part of life. Finally, they should seek out additional resources if needed.
it's not ridiculous because your post makes a mockery of victims of bullying ...
as to your question - lying and stealing are bad ... if people want to raise awareness - then so be it ... i have no problem with it ... i sure as hell won't call someone who is a victim of stealing a cry baby ...
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My post does not make a mockery of victims of bullying. My post says, we should teach people how to "deal" with bullying rather than pretending like it will go away with PSAs. My post also says we live in a cry baby society - where we always want someone else to solve our problems.... like celebrities on tv. Finally, my post says that some people need to stop looking behind them and start looking forward. In other words, if you're still focusing on how you were bullied day in day out 20 years after the fact or hold some sort of deep grudge, then perhaps you never learned how to deal with bullies to begin with... bringing us back to the start of this paragraph... we should teach children how to "deal" with it.
I'm not advocating bullying - like I said assholes trying to drag people down to asshole level. But, we live in such a cry baby society it sometimes makes me want to vomit. Just man up for Christ's sake.
you want to retract your wording or clarify ... go for it ... but the tone in your rant in the original post made a mockery of victims ...
i believe bullying much like many social ills (see racism, prejudices, etc.) are borne from ignorance ... PSA's are effective forms of addressing that ignorance ... we also live in a pop culture dominated society where sometimes the words of celebrities hold more water than other people ... is it going to eliminate problems altogether? ... not likely - but it's a start ...
I'm not advocating bullying - like I said assholes trying to drag people down to asshole level. But, we live in such a cry baby society it sometimes makes me want to vomit. Just man up for Christ's sake.
you want to retract your wording or clarify ... go for it ... but the tone in your rant in the original post made a mockery of victims ...
I don't detract those words.
To clarify:
I'm not advocating bullying. Bullies are assholes. They try to drag people down to their level. But, I also believe we live in a cry baby society. I do believe that parents need to man up first and teach their children how to do the same. This does not involve solving problems with celebrities on PSAs, nor does it involve solving problems by delegating responsibility to other non-vested parties. Clearly you believe we can somehow solve the problem through PSAs and delegating personal parental responsibility to other sources.... if so, I'm glad I'm not your child.
i believe bullying much like many social ills (see racism, prejudices, etc.) are borne from ignorance ... PSA's are effective forms of addressing that ignorance ... we also live in a pop culture dominated society where sometimes the words of celebrities hold more water than other people ... is it going to eliminate problems altogether? ... not likely - but it's a start ...
Whether they are born of ignorance or not, I don't think these problems won't ever completely go away. Moreover, I don't think PSAs (which if we're honest is a form of propaganda) is effective in these areas. Instead, I think parents should encourage an open dialogue with their children and guide their children. In my opinion, that along with teachers being able to spot bullying and correct it... will go a long way.
I'm not advocating bullying. Bullies are assholes. They try to drag people down to their level. But, I also believe we live in a cry baby society. I do believe that parents need to man up first and teach their children how to do the same. This does not involve solving problems with celebrities on PSAs, nor does it involve solving problems by delegating responsibility to other non-vested parties. Clearly you believe we can somehow solve the problem through PSAs and delegating personal parental responsibility to other sources.... if so, I'm glad I'm not your child.
What do you mean, "parents need to man up"? Both mother and father should "man up". :roll:
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I'm not advocating bullying. Bullies are assholes. They try to drag people down to their level. But, I also believe we live in a cry baby society. I do believe that parents need to man up first and teach their children how to do the same. This does not involve solving problems with celebrities on PSAs, nor does it involve solving problems by delegating responsibility to other non-vested parties. Clearly you believe we can somehow solve the problem through PSAs and delegating personal parental responsibility to other sources.... if so, I'm glad I'm not your child.
What do you mean, "parents need to man up"? Both mother and father should "man up". :roll:
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It's a figure of speech:
I meant it in terms of taking on your responsibilities. Basically, don't pass it off to a celebrity, teacher or the media... if it's your responsibility.
I'm not advocating bullying - like I said assholes trying to drag people down to asshole level. But, we live in such a cry baby society it sometimes makes me want to vomit. Just man up for Christ's sake.
you want to retract your wording or clarify ... go for it ... but the tone in your rant in the original post made a mockery of victims ...
I don't detract those words.
To clarify:
I'm not advocating bullying. Bullies are assholes. They try to drag people down to their level. But, I also believe we live in a cry baby society. I do believe that parents need to man up first and teach their children how to do the same. This does not involve solving problems with celebrities on PSAs, nor does it involve solving problems by delegating responsibility to other non-vested parties. Clearly you believe we can somehow solve the problem through PSAs and delegating personal parental responsibility to other sources.... if so, I'm glad I'm not your child.
seems like you are advocating violence against the bullies as the solution. what else could 'man up' be construed as when you say parents shouldn't be involved and PSAs dont work (which i think you are clearly wrong about).
I'm not advocating bullying - like I said assholes trying to drag people down to asshole level. But, we live in such a cry baby society it sometimes makes me want to vomit. Just man up for Christ's sake.
you want to retract your wording or clarify ... go for it ... but the tone in your rant in the original post made a mockery of victims ...
I don't detract those words.
To clarify:
I'm not advocating bullying. Bullies are assholes. They try to drag people down to their level. But, I also believe we live in a cry baby society. I do believe that parents need to man up first and teach their children how to do the same. This does not involve solving problems with celebrities on PSAs, nor does it involve solving problems by delegating responsibility to other non-vested parties. Clearly you believe we can somehow solve the problem through PSAs and delegating personal parental responsibility to other sources.... if so, I'm glad I'm not your child.
seems like you are advocating violence against the bullies as the solution. what else could 'man up' be construed as when you say parents shouldn't be involved and PSAs dont work (which i think you are clearly wrong about).
Jesus Christ... ugh. :roll:
You people are so f'ing frustrating. Where does it say anything about violence? I am not "advocating violence".
Further - you're obviously not reading. I want parents involved! Where did I say "parents shouldn't be involved"? I've been talking about parents being involved all along! They were the people who should "man up".
Seriously... re-read the quote... I underlined it for you.
Whether they are born of ignorance or not, I don't think these problems won't ever completely go away. Moreover, I don't think PSAs (which if we're honest is a form of propaganda) is effective in these areas. Instead, I think parents should encourage an open dialogue with their children and guide their children. In my opinion, that along with teachers being able to spot bullying and correct it... will go a long way.
Whether they are born of ignorance or not, I don't think these problems won't ever completely go away. Moreover, I don't think PSAs (which if we're honest is a form of propaganda) is effective in these areas. Instead, I think parents should encourage an open dialogue with their children and guide their children. In my opinion, that along with teachers being able to spot bullying and correct it... will go a long way.
so PSA's do absolutely no good?
My answer is the money (or opportunity cost) would be better spent in other areas. Bullying is not priority #1 for our nation right now - in my opinion.
You people are so f'ing frustrating. Where does it say anything about violence? I am not "advocating violence".
Further - you're obviously not reading. I want parents involved! Where did I say "parents shouldn't be involved"? I've been talking about parents being involved all along! They were the people who should "man up".
Seriously... re-read the quote... I underlined it for you.
i wrote that as you were writing your explanation of to 'man-up' so sorry if i misunderstood. looked to me like you were saying for parents not to go to teachers or authorities about it except in extreme cases. that to me is not being involved. i guess i figured over 7,000 words maybe you could get a coherent thought across about what should be done instead of using code words like man-up. i guessed wrong. if you want to add any specific ideas in less than 7,000 words feel free.
My answer is the money (or opportunity cost) would be better spent in other areas. Bullying is not priority #1 for our nation right now - in my opinion.
Whether they are born of ignorance or not, I don't think these problems won't ever completely go away. Moreover, I don't think PSAs (which if we're honest is a form of propaganda) is effective in these areas. Instead, I think parents should encourage an open dialogue with their children and guide their children. In my opinion, that along with teachers being able to spot bullying and correct it... will go a long way.
so PSA's do absolutely no good?
My answer is the money (or opportunity cost) would be better spent in other areas. Bullying is not priority #1 for our nation right now - in my opinion.
clearly you don't have children or children of that age or even any family members that age. look one of those kids in the eye and tell us it's not a priority. your attitude will change when you do i suspect. although i imagine by your tone here your child might end up on the wrong side of the bully issue. good day sir.
and money spent on this issue is a mere pittance compared to what is wasted on so many other things.
But, I also believe we live in a cry baby society. I do believe that parents need to man up first and teach their children how to do the same. This does not involve solving problems with celebrities on PSAs, nor does it involve solving problems by delegating responsibility to other non-vested parties. Clearly you believe we can somehow solve the problem through PSAs and delegating personal parental responsibility to other sources.... if so, I'm glad I'm not your child.
This could easily be misconstrued as you suggesting that they take it into their own hands and physically fight back....which is another interesting argument. My Dad used to say, just knock him out (bullies) before they get to you. Of course, I never took that advice, and it would likely get a kid in more trouble today than it used to.
I'm not advocating bullying. Bullies are assholes. They try to drag people down to their level. But, I also believe we live in a cry baby society. I do believe that parents need to man up first and teach their children how to do the same. This does not involve solving problems with celebrities on PSAs, nor does it involve solving problems by delegating responsibility to other non-vested parties. Clearly you believe we can somehow solve the problem through PSAs and delegating personal parental responsibility to other sources.... if so, I'm glad I'm not your child.
What do you mean, "parents need to man up"? Both mother and father should "man up". :roll:
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It's a figure of speech:
I meant it in terms of taking on your responsibilities. Basically, don't pass it off to a celebrity, teacher or the media... if it's your responsibility.
OK, that makes sense.
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I've been thinking about some things inlet has said here and to a degree I can agree about one thing. It's not a bad thing to learn to not be overly sensitive to somethings. For example, I had a boss once who was an ex-army sergeant. This guy was very scary to me. If I didn't do something exactly the way he wanted he would growl at me like a vicious dog. I finally went to his office to give notice. I told him I wasn't comfortable with his approach to me. He said, "Jesus Christ, Brian, don't be so thin skinned. I'm just trying to help you do a better job." All of the sudden he seemed more like a father figure than a mad dog. I learned a lot from that experience.
But physical bullying is different. When I was in high school a big kid who was older than me sat behind me in my Spanish class. On a number of occasions, when the teacher wasn't watching, he pounded my back with his fist. I was a scrawny kid and even though my friends told me I should hit him back I was afraid that if I did he might kill me- I mean literally kill me. And I received no help from any adults in this situation. It was- take the pounding or die. I could have used some help back then, somebody to stand up against bullying. Any kind of help. Maybe if I'd had some help back then I would have to see my chiropractor as often today. And at times this experience still fucks with my head today.
So there's a difference between verbal bullying and physical bullying. I think they're both wrong and yeah, maybe some of us need to learn not to be so sensitive to words, but I think we should definitely stand up against physical bullying.
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My answer is the money (or opportunity cost) would be better spent in other areas. Bullying is not priority #1 for our nation right now - in my opinion.
clearly you don't have children or children of that age or even any family members that age. look one of those kids in the eye and tell us it's not a priority. your attitude will change when you do i suspect. although i imagine by your tone here your child might end up on the wrong side of the bully issue. good day sir.
and money spent on this issue is a mere pittance compared to what is wasted on so many other things.
I do have children. And, once again, you don't understand, nor are you trying to understand. I've said repetitively that children are the parents responsibility. I never once said it's not a priority to THOSE PARENTS. I said as a nation, that bullying is not the #1 priority. Why you feel the need to debate that is beyond me.
If my child was being bullied, I'd be proactive. I'd find out how he/she was being bullied first. If it was verbal, I'd teach my child why it's happening and try to teach them how to respond. If it was physical, I would be much more proactive. I'd go to the authorities. I would not simply go to a teacher and expect them to handle it and be done with it. I would consider talking to a teacher about it, but most importantly I would equip my child with resources to handle these situations when I'm not around. That's what I would do. Clearly, owning up to the fact that the child is your responsibility is a "no-no" around these parts. Instead, you all are pretending like celebrity commercials will handle the problem. :fp:
But, I also believe we live in a cry baby society. I do believe that parents need to man up first and teach their children how to do the same. This does not involve solving problems with celebrities on PSAs, nor does it involve solving problems by delegating responsibility to other non-vested parties. Clearly you believe we can somehow solve the problem through PSAs and delegating personal parental responsibility to other sources.... if so, I'm glad I'm not your child.
This could easily be misconstrued as you suggesting that they take it into their own hands and physically fight back....which is another interesting argument. My Dad used to say, just knock him out (bullies) before they get to you. Of course, I never took that advice, and it would likely get a kid in more trouble today than it used to.
I suppose I can see why you'd think that, but that's not what I meant. Look - if someone is physically harming your child, like beating them up, that's completely different. You should report that because by definition it's abuse. What I meant when I said that was in regards to a different kind of bullying... name calling and whatnot. That sort of thing can be diffused quickly. You can learn how to do that. Bullies are often very insecure. So, if you know how to deal with that once they begin picking on you, say through humor, you'll often find that you minimize the problem.
It's just logical. Bottom line - teach your child to stand up for themselves is what I'm advocating. If it's abuse, standing up for one's self can be as simple as disclosing information.
Maybe we should start an awareness campaign on murder. We'll make it a commercial. I think if we hire Tom Hanks to star in it, less murders will certainly take place!
Let's make a commercial talking about the value of abstinence. Since, we want less teen pregnancies and less abortions... the obvious answer is PSAs. If we do one with a celebrity, say Britney Spears (for example) saying people teens should be abstinent, that surely means that there will be less abortions and teen pregnancies.
hey ... victims of drunk drivers ... stop whining ... just because madd sponsors an ad with a celebrity telling us not to drink and drive ... it's gonna happen anyways ... suck it up and deal with your loss ... man up ...
hey ... victims of drunk drivers ... stop whining ... just because madd sponsors an ad with a celebrity telling us not to drink and drive ... it's gonna happen anyways ... suck it up and deal with your loss ... man up ...
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Where does it "clearly state that we shouldn't raise awareness about bullying and kids should just suck it up?" You're reaching at straws, man. My point was... our thought we start a "war on bullying" and destroy it, is naive at best.
And here we go with another ridiculous diatribe that has nothing to do with the subject. Another point - lying and stealing are bad, right? Should we raise awareness about them? If NOT, why NOT?
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read your post ... first thing you do is rant against celebrities doing PSA's and saying they don't work ... you then go on to say bullying is gonna happen ... parents shouldn't complain to schools ... they should just teach their kids to deal with it and you proceed to call people who rail against people who bully as cry babies ...
it's not ridiculous because your post makes a mockery of victims of bullying ...
as to your question - lying and stealing are bad ... if people want to raise awareness - then so be it ... i have no problem with it ... i sure as hell won't call someone who is a victim of stealing a cry baby ...
ha ha ha... I basically said that the whole conceptual thought that commercials will make it go away is a charade. I am against bullying. I don't think it's good at all. If people are physically harmed, they should go to the authorities. I shouldn't even have to type that out. Trying to paint me as a person who is condoning the action is simply put... asshole-ish.
I simply am saying - we're taking it too far.... like we do with other things. Parents have a greater role here and should stop deflecting their responsibility. Moreover, we should teach our kids how to handle these problems, because the truth is no matter how many lindsay lohan commercials stating bullying is wrong there are... bullying will continue.
Where in that did I talk about vetrans or other rubbish you try to bring up?
You are reading this incorrectly and what I really dislike, once again, is you continue to put words in my mouth. It's incredibly immature. So, let me repeat... I'm not "AGAINST" anything. But, thanks for telling me what I am and am not against.
I said bullies are assholes. In the above, I stated that commercials aren't going to stop bullying, nor will they stop the creation of assholes. Do you disagree with that? I'm saying that the money devoted to these causes would be better spent in other areas. For example, I think that building self-esteem or coping mechanisms is more important than awareness campaigns devoted to stopping a behavior that has been around since the dawn of man. We don't live in a land of utopia where you throw money at problems, grab a celebrity or two, and make a commercial... and then the problem suddenly disappears. I'm saying people who think these commercials are really doing a lot of good are naive at best.
Further, I do think the thought behind these campaigns is in the right spot. But, I don't think it will work as I mentioned. I do think that blame is a big problem these days. So, my point on cry babies is simply... parents who are influenced by these commercials. Not kids... parents. These parents see this is a wrong (fair enough it is), but in some cases, they don't really want to help their child's problem, they want to "end" bullying so they take it to TV. That's fucked up in my mind because tghey are embarrassing their child further. But, they are doing so in the name of ending bullying and "drawing awareness". I'm saying that can lead to worse problems for their child. The whole idea of broadening the individual problem is sometimes a very bad idea. Our society does that all the time. That's what I meant by cry-baby. We need to DEAL with the problem of bullying directly. The truth is bullies only stop being bullies when dealt directly, when confronted without fear. I, personally, don't think commercials will help with that - as you do. I think, instead, parents will or SHOULD.
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I read what you quoted. I did rant against celebrities doing PSA and I do think they don't work. Clearly you disagree and think that that 20 second commercial changes bullies from bullies into non-bullies. What I said was it doesn't work, but that doesn't mean all "awareness" is bad. It means PSA's can be a waste of money. I'd just prefer children to discuss it with their parents. Parents can raise awareness too, you know.
Further, I did say bullying is going to happen. Do you also disagree with that? It sounds like you do. It sounds like you believe PSA's stop bullying. I think you're naive if you believe that.
Finally, I did not say parents should never bring in authorities. In fact, I've said repetitively, if it's severe... they absolutely should. Should they go to teachers? Sure - they can and should under certain circumstances. But, I would note... teachers aren't parents. So, if they go to teachers they shouldn't expect the teacher to "solve" the problem, particularly when the bullying is taking place outside the watch of the teacher. Let's be honest if there's bullying going on under the watch of the teacher - the teacher should have already done something about it. So my point was the parent should welcome a discussion with their child on the subject. They should teach their child how to deal with this unfortunate part of life. Finally, they should seek out additional resources if needed.
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My post does not make a mockery of victims of bullying. My post says, we should teach people how to "deal" with bullying rather than pretending like it will go away with PSAs. My post also says we live in a cry baby society - where we always want someone else to solve our problems.... like celebrities on tv. Finally, my post says that some people need to stop looking behind them and start looking forward. In other words, if you're still focusing on how you were bullied day in day out 20 years after the fact or hold some sort of deep grudge, then perhaps you never learned how to deal with bullies to begin with... bringing us back to the start of this paragraph... we should teach children how to "deal" with it.
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you want to retract your wording or clarify ... go for it ... but the tone in your rant in the original post made a mockery of victims ...
I don't detract those words.
To clarify:
I'm not advocating bullying. Bullies are assholes. They try to drag people down to their level. But, I also believe we live in a cry baby society. I do believe that parents need to man up first and teach their children how to do the same. This does not involve solving problems with celebrities on PSAs, nor does it involve solving problems by delegating responsibility to other non-vested parties. Clearly you believe we can somehow solve the problem through PSAs and delegating personal parental responsibility to other sources.... if so, I'm glad I'm not your child.
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let's just say the feeling is mutual ...
Whether they are born of ignorance or not, I don't think these problems won't ever completely go away. Moreover, I don't think PSAs (which if we're honest is a form of propaganda) is effective in these areas. Instead, I think parents should encourage an open dialogue with their children and guide their children. In my opinion, that along with teachers being able to spot bullying and correct it... will go a long way.
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What do you mean, "parents need to man up"? Both mother and father should "man up". :roll:
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
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It's a figure of speech:
I meant it in terms of taking on your responsibilities. Basically, don't pass it off to a celebrity, teacher or the media... if it's your responsibility.
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seems like you are advocating violence against the bullies as the solution. what else could 'man up' be construed as when you say parents shouldn't be involved and PSAs dont work (which i think you are clearly wrong about).
Jesus Christ... ugh. :roll:
You people are so f'ing frustrating. Where does it say anything about violence? I am not "advocating violence".
Further - you're obviously not reading. I want parents involved! Where did I say "parents shouldn't be involved"? I've been talking about parents being involved all along! They were the people who should "man up".
Seriously... re-read the quote... I underlined it for you.
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so PSA's do absolutely no good?
perhaps you should re-read you original post and consider how us people are reading it ...
My answer is the money (or opportunity cost) would be better spent in other areas. Bullying is not priority #1 for our nation right now - in my opinion.
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i wrote that as you were writing your explanation of to 'man-up' so sorry if i misunderstood. looked to me like you were saying for parents not to go to teachers or authorities about it except in extreme cases. that to me is not being involved. i guess i figured over 7,000 words maybe you could get a coherent thought across about what should be done instead of using code words like man-up. i guessed wrong. if you want to add any specific ideas in less than 7,000 words feel free.
oh dear
clearly you don't have children or children of that age or even any family members that age. look one of those kids in the eye and tell us it's not a priority. your attitude will change when you do i suspect. although i imagine by your tone here your child might end up on the wrong side of the bully issue. good day sir.
and money spent on this issue is a mere pittance compared to what is wasted on so many other things.
This could easily be misconstrued as you suggesting that they take it into their own hands and physically fight back....which is another interesting argument. My Dad used to say, just knock him out (bullies) before they get to you. Of course, I never took that advice, and it would likely get a kid in more trouble today than it used to.
OK, that makes sense.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
But physical bullying is different. When I was in high school a big kid who was older than me sat behind me in my Spanish class. On a number of occasions, when the teacher wasn't watching, he pounded my back with his fist. I was a scrawny kid and even though my friends told me I should hit him back I was afraid that if I did he might kill me- I mean literally kill me. And I received no help from any adults in this situation. It was- take the pounding or die. I could have used some help back then, somebody to stand up against bullying. Any kind of help. Maybe if I'd had some help back then I would have to see my chiropractor as often today. And at times this experience still fucks with my head today.
So there's a difference between verbal bullying and physical bullying. I think they're both wrong and yeah, maybe some of us need to learn not to be so sensitive to words, but I think we should definitely stand up against physical bullying.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I do have children. And, once again, you don't understand, nor are you trying to understand. I've said repetitively that children are the parents responsibility. I never once said it's not a priority to THOSE PARENTS. I said as a nation, that bullying is not the #1 priority. Why you feel the need to debate that is beyond me.
If my child was being bullied, I'd be proactive. I'd find out how he/she was being bullied first. If it was verbal, I'd teach my child why it's happening and try to teach them how to respond. If it was physical, I would be much more proactive. I'd go to the authorities. I would not simply go to a teacher and expect them to handle it and be done with it. I would consider talking to a teacher about it, but most importantly I would equip my child with resources to handle these situations when I'm not around. That's what I would do. Clearly, owning up to the fact that the child is your responsibility is a "no-no" around these parts. Instead, you all are pretending like celebrity commercials will handle the problem. :fp:
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I suppose I can see why you'd think that, but that's not what I meant. Look - if someone is physically harming your child, like beating them up, that's completely different. You should report that because by definition it's abuse. What I meant when I said that was in regards to a different kind of bullying... name calling and whatnot. That sort of thing can be diffused quickly. You can learn how to do that. Bullies are often very insecure. So, if you know how to deal with that once they begin picking on you, say through humor, you'll often find that you minimize the problem.
It's just logical. Bottom line - teach your child to stand up for themselves is what I'm advocating. If it's abuse, standing up for one's self can be as simple as disclosing information.
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Maybe we should start an awareness campaign on murder. We'll make it a commercial. I think if we hire Tom Hanks to star in it, less murders will certainly take place!
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Let's make a commercial talking about the value of abstinence. Since, we want less teen pregnancies and less abortions... the obvious answer is PSAs. If we do one with a celebrity, say Britney Spears (for example) saying people teens should be abstinent, that surely means that there will be less abortions and teen pregnancies.
Right?
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two can play games of absurdity ...
You're for the abstinence PSAs, right?
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let me check to see where it is in the nation's priority list first ...
To quote you: "oh dear"
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