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Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
edited May 2012 in A Moving Train
Holy hoochie mama!

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  • Leyna MinaiLeyna Minai Posts: 691
    :shock:
    That....kid seems too old to be suckin' on a boob.
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  • EdsonNascimentoEdsonNascimento Posts: 5,522
    I'm actually a breast feeding advocate (not to that age, but whatever). But, how is that not child pornography?
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • MotoDCMotoDC Posts: 947
    :shock:
    That....kid seems too old to be suckin' on a boob.
    Or not old enough...depending on how you look at it... :lol:
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    MotoDC wrote:
    :shock:
    That....kid seems too old to be suckin' on a boob.
    Or not old enough...depending on how you look at it... :lol:
    That's what I was thinking. :mrgreen:
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  • StillHereStillHere Posts: 7,795
    I am all for breastfeeding, encouraging my daughter to do so at this very moment (she is due in Sept)

    BUT that is a bit too old IMO
    (yes, or too young)

    I had a neighbor who was very much into natural organic living (me too but not to the extreme as she was)

    She was still breastfeeding her kindergarten aged children
    I found that to be a bit uncomfortable

    But that's just me

    Maybe, just maybe, we in the US are a little to uptight? (but it still makes me uncomfortable at that age)

    Who knows?
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    I'll be honest, the photo kind of gives me the heebie-jeebies - her face, his face, their "yeah, he's a big boy and he's sucking my tit, what of it?" expressions.

    The kid (what is he, six, seven at least?) seems like he's perfectly capable of moseying on over to the fridge and pouring himself a glass of milk or whatever he's got a hankering for.

    Yeah, creeps me out.

    (also, the line on the cover - "Are You Mom Enough" - the fuck?)
  • Leyna MinaiLeyna Minai Posts: 691
    MotoDC wrote:
    :shock:
    That....kid seems too old to be suckin' on a boob.
    Or not old enough...depending on how you look at it... :lol:

    :lol: Excellent point!
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  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    :shock:
    That....kid seems too old to be suckin' on a boob.

    i think so too.
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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,769
    I guess whatever works.

    My wife struggled her way to 4 months with each of our boys. She just didn't have the supply. What're you gonna do? Can't just let them starve.
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  • whygohomewhygohome Posts: 2,305
    Well....I..uh.....nevermind.
  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    i love boobs!
  • DAMONDAMON Posts: 256
    I saw one of the new "breast cancer adds" like the pink ribbon:

    Saving second base!!! :lol:
  • NamiNami Newfoundland Posts: 5,997
    I think we'll see that kid on that show bubble wrapperd kids soon enough.
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  • dasvidanadasvidana Grand Junction CO Posts: 1,348
    Seems to me that we grow teeth so that we can move on to other food. Unless that kid is toothless, he needs to graduate to something else. I think the mom has some boundary issues.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Looks like a Norman Rockwell painting.
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  • __ Posts: 6,651
    The kid is THREE, not 6 or 7. The World Health Organization (among others) recommends that all babies be breastfed AT LEAST to the age of 2. Supplementation with solid foods should begin at six months, but breastfeeding should still continue even after they start eating solid foods.
  • mikalinamikalina Posts: 7,206
    More power to the women who breast feed... :thumbup: But that kid is a bit too old to still be attached to mamma's boob. :)
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Ron Jeremy's son.
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  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    I wouldn't want my child to be that old and breast feeding.


    but others can do it for all I care. I don't necassarily think it is wrong.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    That is a fully developed three year old in the pic ... perhaps ... if I followed a similar diet ... I could dunk a basketball. There is only one way to find out. 8-)

    To heck with a juice diet! I think we have discovered the secret that Ponce de León was searching for!

    (what a fool to think it was in florida when it was hovering in his face the whole time along) :ugeek:

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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,428
    I'm actually a breast feeding advocate (not to that age, but whatever). But, how is that not child pornography?

    I totally agree. I can't believe this is an actual Time cover. Are we sure this is not some photo shopped jinx? If it's the real cover- bad on Time mag.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    _ wrote:
    The kid is THREE, not 6 or 7. The World Health Organization (among others) recommends that all babies be breastfed AT LEAST to the age of 2. Supplementation with solid foods should begin at six months, but breastfeeding should still continue even after they start eating solid foods.
    Actually, I just saw on the news that he's four years old...but still. It's not so much the age issue - what do I know anyway? I've never been in that position - but there's something about him on the stepstool and them overall. Strikes me as...off. Unnatural, and not maternal.
  • __ Posts: 6,651
    hedonist wrote:
    _ wrote:
    The kid is THREE, not 6 or 7. The World Health Organization (among others) recommends that all babies be breastfed AT LEAST to the age of 2. Supplementation with solid foods should begin at six months, but breastfeeding should still continue even after they start eating solid foods.
    Actually, I just saw on the news that he's four years old...but still. It's not so much the age issue - what do I know anyway? I've never been in that position - but there's something about him on the stepstool and them overall. Strikes me as...off. Unnatural, and not maternal.
    I think that's kind of the problem/point... that something that IS so totally natural & maternal is so often seen in our society as unnatural, not maternal, and off. We need a paradigm shift regarding breastfeeding if we want to optimize the health of our children - and that's going to require exposing people to images like these until they become normalized.
  • stardust1976stardust1976 Posts: 1,301
    _ wrote:
    I think that's kind of the problem/point... that something that IS so totally natural & maternal is so often seen in our society as unnatural, not maternal, and off. We need a paradigm shift regarding breastfeeding if we want to optimize the health of our children - and that's going to require exposing people to images like these until they become normalized.

    They aren't going to become normalized. Breastfeeding is wonderful and should be encouraged wherever possible
    but this is an extreme. No matter how often the image is shown, the fact of the matter is, most people find it a little off putting. And let's not forget how often breastfeeding is not possible.

    At one point in our evolutionary lifespan, breastfeeding for extended periods of time was a necessity. Today it is not. Yes, breastfeeding is the preferred choice for newborn infants and babies. But toddlers have a much much bigger variety of food available to them now, than they did even 100 years ago, let alone thousands. We are able to get the nutrients we need in a variety of ways, whereas earlier people had to rely on the crops that were in season at the time. Some formulas have better nutrients for active toddlers than breastfeeding can provide.

    Breastfeeding is, as I said, a beautiful thing. I have 4 children and to some extent, I breastfed them all. My eldest daughter was switched to a formula that I had to buy on a prescription from the chemist because she was intolerant to not just breastmilk, and ordinary formula, but also soy as well. I tried for three months to continue to breastfeed here, but her health was being put in jeopardy because of the breastmilk. The second one I fed for 6 months, and then put her on formula because MY health was being jeopardised by feeding her - the exhaustion factor should NEVER be undervalued. The third one I breastfeed exclusively until she was 1. She didn't want food, although it was offered to her all the time. Then at 1 she weened herself. I could not have, and wouldn't wanted to have forced her to keep breastfeeding. The fourth one was weened at 3 months because I got mastitis so severely that I spent 4 days in hospital on an IV having extremely strong antibiotics pumped through my system. THere is no way he could have continued to be breastfed.

    Most people in society who have had children, understand that given the chance, children will usually ween themselves, somewhere between 12 and 24 months. Forcing a child to continue feeding beyond the timeframe that they themselves set, would be far more detrimental to their health, in my opinion, than allowing them to stop breastfeeding. And you will find that most mothers are quite happy to have their body back to themselves as well. It takes an ENORMOUS amount of energy to successfully carry a pregnancy to term, and then breastfeed a baby. Add to that the toll sleep deprivation takes on the body, and the demands of caring for other children, and you have a recipe for an exhausted mother, and that is not beneficial to the child OR the quality of the breastmilk they are receiving. And also remember that alcohol and most medications will pass through to breastmilk, so whatever the mother is taking, the child is taking too - this puts a fair amount of restriction onto what is already an incredibly hard job.

    Having had 4 children, I can quite honestly say that I would not want a 2 year old, or 3 or 4 or older, child's mouth on my breast. It's not necessary and is disturbing to watch. I saw a woman in a supermarket pushing a trolley with a child sitting in the seat - he would have been around 3. He lifted his mother's top while she was pushing the trolley, and began to suck at her breast. This is a disturbing image. It is not a natural image. The child is old enough to be getting milk from another source, and you can not tell me that not breastfeeding is harmful to the child.

    In my humble opinion, people who breastfeed for that much of an extended timeframe definitely have boundary issues. At some point, you as a mother, need to let your child grow and detach from you. It's a natural progression. And I am not talking about the people whose children at 2 or 3 still have a night-time breastfeed - this is a security blanket for a child essentially, and acts as a natural progression for the child to ween themselves. But breastfeeding a child that is big enough to eat with utensils is not normal.

    And just as a sidenote, in case anyone was going to bring up the idea that extended breastfeeding is a natural alternative to contraception, because it stops your body ovulating: that only works for a small amount of time. You must be EXCLUSIVELY breastfeeding more than 3 or 4 times a day for you to even have a chance at this being a successful method of contraception. And even then, it's not reliable. A woman can ovulate while breastfeeding, and this can happen (and very often does), within 2 - 3 months of giving birth. Sometimes as little as 6 weeks after giving birth, regardless of whether she is breastfeeding or not. And it is NOT recommended for a woman to breastfeed while she is pregnant because of the reduction in quality of breastmilk, as well as the physical toll that takes on her.

    Just my opinion, but there you have it.
  • EdsonNascimentoEdsonNascimento Posts: 5,522
    _ wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    _ wrote:
    The kid is THREE, not 6 or 7. The World Health Organization (among others) recommends that all babies be breastfed AT LEAST to the age of 2. Supplementation with solid foods should begin at six months, but breastfeeding should still continue even after they start eating solid foods.
    Actually, I just saw on the news that he's four years old...but still. It's not so much the age issue - what do I know anyway? I've never been in that position - but there's something about him on the stepstool and them overall. Strikes me as...off. Unnatural, and not maternal.
    I think that's kind of the problem/point... that something that IS so totally natural & maternal is so often seen in our society as unnatural, not maternal, and off. We need a paradigm shift regarding breastfeeding if we want to optimize the health of our children - and that's going to require exposing people to images like these until they become normalized.

    What stardust said.

    But, I wanted to add - you are confusing 2 things - breastfeeding acceptance and the breast feeding of a grown child.

    My wife breast fed all my kids until about 1. (And as stardust says - you can get pregnant. As a matter of fact, you will have no problems weening your child once you do. We were trying, and that's how we found out with our 2nd. Our oldest suddenly stopped one day. Seemed curious, but whatever. A couple weeks later tested and bingo!!! The breast milk changes when you are pregnant, so in all likelihood if the child is old enough, they will discover the change before you do. Sorry for the aside).

    Yes, as a society we need to be more tolerant of breast feeding (though it can be done discretely). Way too many women find excuses to stop (there are legitemate reasons as stardust highlighted). But, there's really no reason to be obnoxious about it, and most women will be respectful enough to not be so dopey about it.

    This is a whole other level and is clearly, as stardust better explains about the mother and not the child. And, as I said before - how is a picture of a 4 year old sucking a tit (even his mother's) not child pornography? This isn't about being a prude. It's about living in a civilized society where 4 yearl olds sucking a tit is not acceptable behavior in public. I guess if you wanted to have the debate in a private way, so be it. But, if you caught a 30 year old man downloading a similar picture of a 4 year old sucking a tit, they'd be arrested, or at the very least investigated. So, what's the difference?
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    wow ! I read this earlier but still wow!! I'm half inclined to say yea the photo borders child porn and I'm a little set back at the age of the child brest feeding but I'm also thinking this is a mothers choice and I learned a long time ago NEVER try and get between a mother and her cubs...you will lose every time.

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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,156
    I can thankfully say I don't remember if I was breastfed or not. Don't want to know.

    :geek:
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  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    _ wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    _ wrote:
    The kid is THREE, not 6 or 7. The World Health Organization (among others) recommends that all babies be breastfed AT LEAST to the age of 2. Supplementation with solid foods should begin at six months, but breastfeeding should still continue even after they start eating solid foods.
    Actually, I just saw on the news that he's four years old...but still. It's not so much the age issue - what do I know anyway? I've never been in that position - but there's something about him on the stepstool and them overall. Strikes me as...off. Unnatural, and not maternal.
    I think that's kind of the problem/point... that something that IS so totally natural & maternal is so often seen in our society as unnatural, not maternal, and off. We need a paradigm shift regarding breastfeeding if we want to optimize the health of our children - and that's going to require exposing people to images like these until they become normalized.

    I don't think breastfeeding is seen as unnatural at all... Sure, there are some people who have a problem with it in public, but there are people who have a problem with just about everything, no matter how normal it is. Those idiots should just be ignored.

    But the point of breastfeeding, is to provide nourishment for a child that can't get it on their own. A 3 or 4 year old can do that... They can eat any normal solid foods. Heck, my son is 4 and he can make himself a peanut butter and jelly sandwich (albeit a bit messy lol).

    As said before, mothers that do this, seem to have some major boundary issues.
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  • EmBleveEmBleve Posts: 3,019
    "why attachment parenting drives some mothers to extremes", not 'normal'. It's excessive. Sure, it's the mother's choice, but putting it out there like this is, (I would consider), inappropriate, and it would make me uncomfortable to witness it. And those who have mentioned the fact that having photos put out like this borders on child pornography have a point.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    What stardust said.

    But, I wanted to add - you are confusing 2 things - breastfeeding acceptance and the breast feeding of a grown child.
    Exactly, and thank you (and stardust)...this was the point I was trying to make.
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