Pet Peeves

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

When people suggest just splitting the bill, especially since it is almost always the ones who clearly spent way more money on dinner who suggest it.
Like doing the math is that hard. Went to dinner with a couple who ordered an $80 bottle of wine while we ordered water. They wanted to split the bill. Really? I guess most places just split the bill for you now anyway, I’m just still mad they tried to get us to pay for their bottle.

Seemed to happen all the time when I lived in LA, don’t see it that often in Colorado though.

I wouldn't go to dinner with them again. jesus. I also find that totally bizarre. And then they get all passive agressive about it when you call them on it. "what's the big deal? you have money problems". No, I have an asshole problem! 

HughFreakingDillon

ugh. same thing here in winnipeg. being frigid a good portion of the year, most drivers don't see the point in bike lanes or even people being in traffic on bikes. 'waste of taxpayer money" they all cry. I see loads of people cycling, even in -40C. but even if they don't, who cares? we can save a ton of traffic congestion, pollution, and travel time to and from work if we had more accessible and safe places for cyclists to commute. 

asshole driving cyclist-haters = cyclists being afraid of the road so they cycle on the sidewalk = pedestrians hating cyclists = everyone hates cyclists. 

HesCalledDyer

mace1229 said:

This topic has come up before. It seems like there's a lot of bad cyclists that are just annoying. But it only takes 1/10 to be annoying in order to give them a bad rep.
For example the street I take to get to the freeway is very wide. But not wide enough for 2 lanes each way, so it just means there is a giant shoulder. Why bikes ride in the middle of the road so cars can't pass is beyond me, there's like an 8 foot shoulder, but they insist on riding in the middle of the lane, pedaling at 12 mph when the speed limit is 35 and just slows traffic down. Seems unsafe and stupid to not use the shoulder, and isn't that part of sharing the road too?

If there is not a specified bike line, the shoulder is the most dangerous place for a cyclist to be.  By law, they should be in the proper traffic lane because they are operating a vehicle.

HughFreakingDillon

HesCalledDyer said:

mace1229 said:

This topic has come up before. It seems like there's a lot of bad cyclists that are just annoying. But it only takes 1/10 to be annoying in order to give them a bad rep.
For example the street I take to get to the freeway is very wide. But not wide enough for 2 lanes each way, so it just means there is a giant shoulder. Why bikes ride in the middle of the road so cars can't pass is beyond me, there's like an 8 foot shoulder, but they insist on riding in the middle of the lane, pedaling at 12 mph when the speed limit is 35 and just slows traffic down. Seems unsafe and stupid to not use the shoulder, and isn't that part of sharing the road too?

If there is not a specified bike line, the shoulder is the most dangerous place for a cyclist to be.  By law, they should be in the proper traffic lane because they are operating a vehicle.

I saw some twit on a fucking motorized scooter driving on the shoulder on a bridge where bikes usually go last week, next to the cars. SMH

HesCalledDyer

HughFreakingDillon said:

HesCalledDyer said:

mace1229 said:

This topic has come up before. It seems like there's a lot of bad cyclists that are just annoying. But it only takes 1/10 to be annoying in order to give them a bad rep.
For example the street I take to get to the freeway is very wide. But not wide enough for 2 lanes each way, so it just means there is a giant shoulder. Why bikes ride in the middle of the road so cars can't pass is beyond me, there's like an 8 foot shoulder, but they insist on riding in the middle of the lane, pedaling at 12 mph when the speed limit is 35 and just slows traffic down. Seems unsafe and stupid to not use the shoulder, and isn't that part of sharing the road too?

If there is not a specified bike line, the shoulder is the most dangerous place for a cyclist to be.  By law, they should be in the proper traffic lane because they are operating a vehicle.

I saw some twit on a fucking motorized scooter driving on the shoulder on a bridge where bikes usually go last week, next to the cars. SMH

Sometimes stupidity just knows no bounds!

Jearlpam0925

HughFreakingDillon said:

ugh. same thing here in winnipeg. being frigid a good portion of the year, most drivers don't see the point in bike lanes or even people being in traffic on bikes. 'waste of taxpayer money" they all cry. I see loads of people cycling, even in -40C. but even if they don't, who cares? we can save a ton of traffic congestion, pollution, and travel time to and from work if we had more accessible and safe places for cyclists to commute. 

asshole driving cyclist-haters = cyclists being afraid of the road so they cycle on the sidewalk = pedestrians hating cyclists = everyone hates cyclists. 

Well said. 

We have some "bike lanes" here, which I use the term loosely because it's just painted stripes on the side of the road. I've been involved in a hit and run where a cab drove up in the bike lane from behind me and ran me over. So, yeah, my sympathy for cyclist are much higher than that of drivers. 

My general beliefs when it comes to bikes: Bikes shouldn't be on sidewalks if you're over the age of 12; Bikes are by law allowed to take the lane, especially if they feel safest doing so at their discretion; bikes should not have the same laws as cars, long live the Idaho Stop. Oh, and cars are 2 ton killing machines. People should ride more - be it health reasons, zero carbo emission, etc - they'll also realize their commute is more than the world passing them by. If your commute is in a dense city, and less than two miles, you'll find no quicker mode of transportation. End of my rant.

HughFreakingDillon

Jearlpam0925 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

ugh. same thing here in winnipeg. being frigid a good portion of the year, most drivers don't see the point in bike lanes or even people being in traffic on bikes. 'waste of taxpayer money" they all cry. I see loads of people cycling, even in -40C. but even if they don't, who cares? we can save a ton of traffic congestion, pollution, and travel time to and from work if we had more accessible and safe places for cyclists to commute. 

asshole driving cyclist-haters = cyclists being afraid of the road so they cycle on the sidewalk = pedestrians hating cyclists = everyone hates cyclists. 

Well said. 

We have some "bike lanes" here, which I use the term loosely because it's just painted stripes on the side of the road. I've been involved in a hit and run where a cab drove up in the bike lane from behind me and ran me over. So, yeah, my sympathy for cyclist are much higher than that of drivers. 

My general beliefs when it comes to bikes: Bikes shouldn't be on sidewalks if you're over the age of 12; Bikes are by law allowed to take the lane, especially if they feel safest doing so at their discretion; bikes should not have the same laws as cars, love live the Idaho Stop. Oh, and cars are 2 ton killing machines. People should ride more - be it health reasons, zero carbo emission, etc - they'll also realize their commute is more than the world passing them by. If your commute is in a dense city, and less than two miles, you'll find no quicker mode of transportation. End of my rant.

I get to work WAY quicker by bus or by bike. on a 5-10 minute drive in rush hour from downtown to my house, walking has been faster than driving. no joke. 

Jearlpam0925

HughFreakingDillon said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

ugh. same thing here in winnipeg. being frigid a good portion of the year, most drivers don't see the point in bike lanes or even people being in traffic on bikes. 'waste of taxpayer money" they all cry. I see loads of people cycling, even in -40C. but even if they don't, who cares? we can save a ton of traffic congestion, pollution, and travel time to and from work if we had more accessible and safe places for cyclists to commute. 

asshole driving cyclist-haters = cyclists being afraid of the road so they cycle on the sidewalk = pedestrians hating cyclists = everyone hates cyclists. 

Well said. 

We have some "bike lanes" here, which I use the term loosely because it's just painted stripes on the side of the road. I've been involved in a hit and run where a cab drove up in the bike lane from behind me and ran me over. So, yeah, my sympathy for cyclist are much higher than that of drivers. 

My general beliefs when it comes to bikes: Bikes shouldn't be on sidewalks if you're over the age of 12; Bikes are by law allowed to take the lane, especially if they feel safest doing so at their discretion; bikes should not have the same laws as cars, love live the Idaho Stop. Oh, and cars are 2 ton killing machines. People should ride more - be it health reasons, zero carbo emission, etc - they'll also realize their commute is more than the world passing them by. If your commute is in a dense city, and less than two miles, you'll find no quicker mode of transportation. End of my rant.

I get to work WAY quicker by bus or by bike. on a 5-10 minute drive in rush hour from downtown to my house, walking has been faster than driving. no joke. 

Pet peeve:  people driving a car for a 5-10 minute commute.

HughFreakingDillon

Jearlpam0925 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

ugh. same thing here in winnipeg. being frigid a good portion of the year, most drivers don't see the point in bike lanes or even people being in traffic on bikes. 'waste of taxpayer money" they all cry. I see loads of people cycling, even in -40C. but even if they don't, who cares? we can save a ton of traffic congestion, pollution, and travel time to and from work if we had more accessible and safe places for cyclists to commute. 

asshole driving cyclist-haters = cyclists being afraid of the road so they cycle on the sidewalk = pedestrians hating cyclists = everyone hates cyclists. 

Well said. 

We have some "bike lanes" here, which I use the term loosely because it's just painted stripes on the side of the road. I've been involved in a hit and run where a cab drove up in the bike lane from behind me and ran me over. So, yeah, my sympathy for cyclist are much higher than that of drivers. 

My general beliefs when it comes to bikes: Bikes shouldn't be on sidewalks if you're over the age of 12; Bikes are by law allowed to take the lane, especially if they feel safest doing so at their discretion; bikes should not have the same laws as cars, love live the Idaho Stop. Oh, and cars are 2 ton killing machines. People should ride more - be it health reasons, zero carbo emission, etc - they'll also realize their commute is more than the world passing them by. If your commute is in a dense city, and less than two miles, you'll find no quicker mode of transportation. End of my rant.

I get to work WAY quicker by bus or by bike. on a 5-10 minute drive in rush hour from downtown to my house, walking has been faster than driving. no joke. 

Pet peeve:  people driving a car for a 5-10 minute commute.

I see the looks on people's faces as I keep passing them on the sidewalk while they sit in their car all frustrated. LOL

HughFreakingDillon

Jearlpam0925 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

ugh. same thing here in winnipeg. being frigid a good portion of the year, most drivers don't see the point in bike lanes or even people being in traffic on bikes. 'waste of taxpayer money" they all cry. I see loads of people cycling, even in -40C. but even if they don't, who cares? we can save a ton of traffic congestion, pollution, and travel time to and from work if we had more accessible and safe places for cyclists to commute. 

asshole driving cyclist-haters = cyclists being afraid of the road so they cycle on the sidewalk = pedestrians hating cyclists = everyone hates cyclists. 

Well said. 

We have some "bike lanes" here, which I use the term loosely because it's just painted stripes on the side of the road. I've been involved in a hit and run where a cab drove up in the bike lane from behind me and ran me over. So, yeah, my sympathy for cyclist are much higher than that of drivers. 

My general beliefs when it comes to bikes: Bikes shouldn't be on sidewalks if you're over the age of 12; Bikes are by law allowed to take the lane, especially if they feel safest doing so at their discretion; bikes should not have the same laws as cars, love live the Idaho Stop. Oh, and cars are 2 ton killing machines. People should ride more - be it health reasons, zero carbo emission, etc - they'll also realize their commute is more than the world passing them by. If your commute is in a dense city, and less than two miles, you'll find no quicker mode of transportation. End of my rant.

I get to work WAY quicker by bus or by bike. on a 5-10 minute drive in rush hour from downtown to my house, walking has been faster than driving. no joke. 

Pet peeve:  people driving a car for a 5-10 minute commute.

and you might actually think differently in the climate I live in with the inadequate bus service we have. a 5-10 minute drive is a 25-30 minute walk. in -40C, that's treacherous. 

in decent weather, yes, I agree. 

mace1229

HesCalledDyer said:

mace1229 said:

This topic has come up before. It seems like there's a lot of bad cyclists that are just annoying. But it only takes 1/10 to be annoying in order to give them a bad rep.
For example the street I take to get to the freeway is very wide. But not wide enough for 2 lanes each way, so it just means there is a giant shoulder. Why bikes ride in the middle of the road so cars can't pass is beyond me, there's like an 8 foot shoulder, but they insist on riding in the middle of the lane, pedaling at 12 mph when the speed limit is 35 and just slows traffic down. Seems unsafe and stupid to not use the shoulder, and isn't that part of sharing the road too?

If there is not a specified bike line, the shoulder is the most dangerous place for a cyclist to be.  By law, they should be in the proper traffic lane because they are operating a vehicle.

I agree. But in my example this is an old road and very wide. The shoulder is 8-10 feet. I find that plenty safe. It’s not a typical 2 foot shoulder that’s filled with road debris.

This road in my example about as wide as a 4-lane freeway. But only had 1 lane each direction. It doesn’t take much to allow a car to safely pass if you’re on a bike. But I regularly see them ride side by side, or even a single rider hugging the left side so to make it unsafe to pass. That’s whys it’s annoying.

mace1229

Jearlpam0925 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

ugh. same thing here in winnipeg. being frigid a good portion of the year, most drivers don't see the point in bike lanes or even people being in traffic on bikes. 'waste of taxpayer money" they all cry. I see loads of people cycling, even in -40C. but even if they don't, who cares? we can save a ton of traffic congestion, pollution, and travel time to and from work if we had more accessible and safe places for cyclists to commute. 

asshole driving cyclist-haters = cyclists being afraid of the road so they cycle on the sidewalk = pedestrians hating cyclists = everyone hates cyclists. 

Well said. 

We have some "bike lanes" here, which I use the term loosely because it's just painted stripes on the side of the road. I've been involved in a hit and run where a cab drove up in the bike lane from behind me and ran me over. So, yeah, my sympathy for cyclist are much higher than that of drivers. 

My general beliefs when it comes to bikes: Bikes shouldn't be on sidewalks if you're over the age of 12; Bikes are by law allowed to take the lane, especially if they feel safest doing so at their discretion; bikes should not have the same laws as cars, love live the Idaho Stop. Oh, and cars are 2 ton killing machines. People should ride more - be it health reasons, zero carbo emission, etc - they'll also realize their commute is more than the world passing them by. If your commute is in a dense city, and less than two miles, you'll find no quicker mode of transportation. End of my rant.

I get to work WAY quicker by bus or by bike. on a 5-10 minute drive in rush hour from downtown to my house, walking has been faster than driving. no joke. 

Pet peeve:  people driving a car for a 5-10 minute commute.

10 minute drive is like an hour walk. What’s wrong with that?
Throw in unpredictable thunderstorms and small children, almost seems unreasonable to not drive.

Jearlpam0925

mace1229 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

ugh. same thing here in winnipeg. being frigid a good portion of the year, most drivers don't see the point in bike lanes or even people being in traffic on bikes. 'waste of taxpayer money" they all cry. I see loads of people cycling, even in -40C. but even if they don't, who cares? we can save a ton of traffic congestion, pollution, and travel time to and from work if we had more accessible and safe places for cyclists to commute. 

asshole driving cyclist-haters = cyclists being afraid of the road so they cycle on the sidewalk = pedestrians hating cyclists = everyone hates cyclists. 

Well said. 

We have some "bike lanes" here, which I use the term loosely because it's just painted stripes on the side of the road. I've been involved in a hit and run where a cab drove up in the bike lane from behind me and ran me over. So, yeah, my sympathy for cyclist are much higher than that of drivers. 

My general beliefs when it comes to bikes: Bikes shouldn't be on sidewalks if you're over the age of 12; Bikes are by law allowed to take the lane, especially if they feel safest doing so at their discretion; bikes should not have the same laws as cars, love live the Idaho Stop. Oh, and cars are 2 ton killing machines. People should ride more - be it health reasons, zero carbo emission, etc - they'll also realize their commute is more than the world passing them by. If your commute is in a dense city, and less than two miles, you'll find no quicker mode of transportation. End of my rant.

I get to work WAY quicker by bus or by bike. on a 5-10 minute drive in rush hour from downtown to my house, walking has been faster than driving. no joke. 

Pet peeve:  people driving a car for a 5-10 minute commute.

10 minute drive is like an hour walk. What’s wrong with that?
Throw in unpredictable thunderstorms and small children, almost seems unreasonable to not drive.

Yeah, I guess approximates need to be more specific than that. This is more for the 5 minute range, and in a setting I'm familiar with: in a dense urban, to outer ring of the 'burbs a 5 minute ride is no longer than 2 mile ride at best, and it's considering decent public transportation.

We could keep making excuses - throw in old people, mentally and physically handicapped. Yes, there's reasons for cars. Pet peeve is we've built an ever growing infrastructure around the automobile, which is.....lazy, especially the closer you get to a metro city center.

Thoughts_Arrive

And the hatred of cyclists continues in my city...

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/shaken-to-the-core-cyclist-left-bruised-with-chipped-tooth-head-gash-after-she-was-run-off-the-road-20190919-p52swv.html

oftenreading

HesCalledDyer said:

As a cyclist myself, not many things irk me more than other cyclists not obeying traffic & pedestrian traffic regulations.  Not only are you giving law-abiding cyclists a bad name, you're also validating the anti-cyclist crowd.

I agree with this. Where I live we have an amazing and still improving infrastructure for cycling. I regularly work at three different worksites in different areas of the city and outlying areas, and I can get to all three almost exclusively on dedicated bike lanes separated from the traffic, with their own signal lights, or on a well-kept system of multi-use bike/foot trails. When I see cyclists run red lights or hop up on the sidewalk to save a few seconds, I get steamed. Stop doing what you hate the drivers for, and stop giving the anti-cyclist crowd ammunition.

I'm a year-round cycle commuter, and while there certainly are far fewer people cycling right through the worst of the winter months, it isn't zero, and for the 7 or more months of the year with great weather our cycling infrastructure is packed. Thousands of people cycle into the city to work or school or whatever on a typical day. When the drivers complain, I don't know why they don't realize that, without a safe cycling infrastructure, most of those people would be driving in too, making everyone's commute worse and taking up the parking. 

I read an article in our local newspaper the other day that refutes the criticism of drivers that they "pay for the roads" with their gas taxes. In fact, gas taxes don't go to roads or local development at all; it's primarily property taxes that do, and if you consider that cyclists also pay property taxes without driving on the roads as much, then actually cyclists subsidize the roads for the drivers. 

mace1229

oftenreading said:

HesCalledDyer said:

As a cyclist myself, not many things irk me more than other cyclists not obeying traffic & pedestrian traffic regulations.  Not only are you giving law-abiding cyclists a bad name, you're also validating the anti-cyclist crowd.

I agree with this. Where I live we have an amazing and still improving infrastructure for cycling. I regularly work at three different worksites in different areas of the city and outlying areas, and I can get to all three almost exclusively on dedicated bike lanes separated from the traffic, with their own signal lights, or on a well-kept system of multi-use bike/foot trails. When I see cyclists run red lights or hop up on the sidewalk to save a few seconds, I get steamed. Stop doing what you hate the drivers for, and stop giving the anti-cyclist crowd ammunition.

I'm a year-round cycle commuter, and while there certainly are far fewer people cycling right through the worst of the winter months, it isn't zero, and for the 7 or more months of the year with great weather our cycling infrastructure is packed. Thousands of people cycle into the city to work or school or whatever on a typical day. When the drivers complain, I don't know why they don't realize that, without a safe cycling infrastructure, most of those people would be driving in too, making everyone's commute worse and taking up the parking. 

I read an article in our local newspaper the other day that refutes the criticism of drivers that they "pay for the roads" with their gas taxes. In fact, gas taxes don't go to roads or local development at all; it's primarily property taxes that do, and if you consider that cyclists also pay property taxes without driving on the roads as much, then actually cyclists subsidize the roads for the drivers. 

My understanding is car registration fees, which can be several hundred dollars a year, also pay for roads. If I buy a new car my registration will be almost equal to my property taxes here.
But I think that argument if I pay more road taxes is still dumb. Most who ride bikes still own a car (at least around here) and pay the same registration. They should factor in mileage so those who drive less pay less registration. 

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

oftenreading said:

HesCalledDyer said:

As a cyclist myself, not many things irk me more than other cyclists not obeying traffic & pedestrian traffic regulations.  Not only are you giving law-abiding cyclists a bad name, you're also validating the anti-cyclist crowd.

I agree with this. Where I live we have an amazing and still improving infrastructure for cycling. I regularly work at three different worksites in different areas of the city and outlying areas, and I can get to all three almost exclusively on dedicated bike lanes separated from the traffic, with their own signal lights, or on a well-kept system of multi-use bike/foot trails. When I see cyclists run red lights or hop up on the sidewalk to save a few seconds, I get steamed. Stop doing what you hate the drivers for, and stop giving the anti-cyclist crowd ammunition.

I'm a year-round cycle commuter, and while there certainly are far fewer people cycling right through the worst of the winter months, it isn't zero, and for the 7 or more months of the year with great weather our cycling infrastructure is packed. Thousands of people cycle into the city to work or school or whatever on a typical day. When the drivers complain, I don't know why they don't realize that, without a safe cycling infrastructure, most of those people would be driving in too, making everyone's commute worse and taking up the parking. 

I read an article in our local newspaper the other day that refutes the criticism of drivers that they "pay for the roads" with their gas taxes. In fact, gas taxes don't go to roads or local development at all; it's primarily property taxes that do, and if you consider that cyclists also pay property taxes without driving on the roads as much, then actually cyclists subsidize the roads for the drivers. 

My understanding is car registration fees, which can be several hundred dollars a year, also pay for roads. If I buy a new car my registration will be almost equal to my property taxes here.
But I think that argument if I pay more road taxes is still dumb. Most who ride bikes still own a car (at least around here) and pay the same registration. They should factor in mileage so those who drive less pay less registration. 

that is an excellent suggestion! a low mileage rebate!! i guess it's sort of already a thing, with 'pleasure' being cheaper than 'all purpose', but i think it could go even further than that. 

deadendp

Morning pet peeve. 12 slots at the gas station pumps this morning. All are filled. 11 of 12 cars have no people around because they are inside getting coffee. I sat behind a guy pumping gas. Lady in pump next to me comes out with a tray or two of coffee THEN pumps gas. What about the people who just want to buy gas? Just pull up to a space next to the gas station if going inside for something other than to say, "I'll take $10 on pump 4."

rgambs

Pretty sure we've done this one before but I'm willing to do it again.
Manners and etiquette rules not based in rational principles.
Don't chew with your mouth open because it is gross, but why the fuck does anyone care about elbows on the table?  
Don't open your umbrella in the house because you might spray water or hit someone/something, but why the fuck do you care if my hat is on my head where it belongs just because I'm in a building.
Don't double dip the chip, because your saliva is yours to keep, but if you like extra salt and/or pepper on your food, you aren't an asshole and you aren't insulting the food.

HughFreakingDillon

rgambs said:

Pretty sure we've done this one before but I'm willing to do it again.
Manners and etiquette rules not based in rational principles.
Don't chew with your mouth open because it is gross, but why the fuck does anyone care about elbows on the table?  
Don't open your umbrella in the house because you might spray water or hit someone/something, but why the fuck do you care if my hat is on my head where it belongs just because I'm in a building.
Don't double dip the chip, because your saliva is yours to keep, but if you like extra salt and/or pepper on your food, you aren't an asshole and you aren't insulting the food.

agree with all of this. 

I do double dip occasionally, but only if I turn the chip around and dip with the non-gnarled side of it. but that is also based on context...close friends, dinner party, family, etc.