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Michigan Repeals Helmet Law

lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
edited April 2012 in A Moving Train
Michigan repeals mandatory motorcycle helmet law

http://www.windsorstar.com/Michigan+rep ... story.html

Seems kind of crazy to ride with out one.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

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  • mysticweedmysticweed Posts: 3,710
    lukin2006 wrote:
    Michigan repeals mandatory motorcycle helmet law

    http://www.windsorstar.com/Michigan+rep ... story.html

    Seems kind of crazy to ride with out one.


    i know
    i always pulled off my helmet when we turned into our subdivision
    until my husband lost it in the sand in our driveway
    didn't hurt my head
    but i quit doing it
    fuck 'em if they can't take a joke

    "what a long, strange trip it's been"
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    As a volunteer fireman, I have the damage done to riders who choose not to wear a helmet. However, as an American citizen, I strongly feel that adult riders should have the choice to ride without them.

    Side note:
    I feel the same when it comes to seat belts. Except that anyone under the age of 18 should be required to wear one.
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    I don't ride...but if I did I would wear a helmet...just as I would always wear a seatbelt.
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,495
    I think that of you chose to ride a motorcycle without a helmet, your insurance company shouldn't have to pay any medical fees.

    If you want to kill yourself, fine, but dont make others pay for it.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • lukin2006lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    cincybearcat wrote:
    I think that of you chose to ride a motorcycle without a helmet, your insuranceS company shouldn't have to pay any medical fees.

    If you want to kill yourself, fine, but dont make others pay for it.

    True...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • green mountain mangreen mountain man Posts: 735
    I used to work in a traumatic brain injury unit. The physical,emotional,social,cognitive, and behavioral effects can be devastating.Outcomes range from complete recovery to permanent disability or death
    I do not ride a motorcycle.
    I do always wear protective gear when I fell trees,and ride snowmobiles/atvs.
    I do not hunt ,but I do wear hunter orange when hiking in the woods.
    Some of my friends think they do not need safety apparel.
    There are various factors in their reasoning.
    For me, safety is of foremost importance during dangerous activities .
    The helmet law should stand in my opinion.
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    Just as its your choice to wear appropriate PPE, it is also your choice not to. The government shouldn't be telling anyone that they HAVE to do something. I am not opposed to insurance companies not paying out claims if riders don't wear helmets. But it still should be your choice.

    Would you like your government to force you to go to bed every night at 8:00pm?
  • mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,935
    Last-12-Exit wrote:

    I feel the same when it comes to seat belts. Except that anyone under the age of 18 should be required to wear one.

    Helmets protect nothing but the individual wearing it and should be optional. Seatbelts protect all parties involved from 60 mile-an-hour projectiles and should be mandatory.
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  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    mookeywrench wrote:
    Last-12-Exit wrote:

    I feel the same when it comes to seat belts. Except that anyone under the age of 18 should be required to wear one.

    Helmets protect nothing but the individual wearing it and should be optional. Seatbelts protect all parties involved from 60 mile-an-hour projectiles and should be mandatory.


    I agree with that.
  • satansbedsatansbed Posts: 2,139
    mookeywrench wrote:
    Last-12-Exit wrote:

    I feel the same when it comes to seat belts. Except that anyone under the age of 18 should be required to wear one.

    Helmets protect nothing but the individual wearing it and should be optional. Seatbelts protect all parties involved from 60 mile-an-hour projectiles and should be mandatory.


    well it also protects the family from having to look after a brain damaged relation
  • mookeywrenchmookeywrench Posts: 5,935
    satansbed wrote:
    mookeywrench wrote:
    Last-12-Exit wrote:

    I feel the same when it comes to seat belts. Except that anyone under the age of 18 should be required to wear one.

    Helmets protect nothing but the individual wearing it and should be optional. Seatbelts protect all parties involved from 60 mile-an-hour projectiles and should be mandatory.


    well it also protects the family from having to look after a brain damaged relation

    Carries too many assumptions to be a valid point
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  • belinda27belinda27 Posts: 731
    edited April 2012
    so for under 21 are you allowed an open face helmet? or is it full face? do they police ill fitting ones?
    Post edited by belinda27 on
  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    Michigan repeals Darwin Law.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Smellyman wrote:
    Michigan repeals Darwin Law.
    I'd think more like enacts it...which is fine by me.
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    Gary Busey....a walking, talking PSA for helmet laws. :twisted:
    All the world will be your enemy, Prince with a thousand enemies, and whenever they catch you, they will kill you. But first they must catch you, digger, listener, runner, prince with the swift warning. Be cunning and full of tricks and your people shall never be destroyed.
  • blueandwhiteblueandwhite Posts: 662
    Last-12-Exit wrote:
    I am not opposed to insurance companies not paying out claims if riders don't wear helmets. But it still should be your choice.

    In a no-fault state, there is absolutely no reason a person who refuses to wear a seatbelt or a helmet should receive any coverage from their insurance company. Another person's choice to be needlessly reckless shouldn't impact other ratepayers. Having the freedom to act like an idiot should't cost the rest of society a dime.
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    blueandwhite wrote:
    Last-12-Exit wrote:
    I am not opposed to insurance companies not paying out claims if riders don't wear helmets. But it still should be your choice.

    In a no-fault state, there is absolutely no reason a person who refuses to wear a seatbelt or a helmet should receive any coverage from their insurance company. Another person's choice to be needlessly reckless shouldn't impact other ratepayers. Having the freedom to act like an idiot should't cost the rest of society a dime.
    I agree. Should insurance companies pay for someone that smoked for 20 years and develops lung cancer? The answer is yes.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    Last-12-Exit wrote:
    Just as its your choice to wear appropriate PPE, it is also your choice not to. The government shouldn't be telling anyone that they HAVE to do something. I am not opposed to insurance companies not paying out claims if riders don't wear helmets. But it still should be your choice.

    Would you like your government to force you to go to bed every night at 8:00pm?

    The answer to that question is....is there a danger or physical harm in the government forcing one to go to bed by 8:00pm?

    peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    cincybearcat wrote:
    I think that of you chose to ride a motorcycle without a helmet, your insurance company shouldn't have to pay any medical fees.

    If you want to kill yourself, fine, but dont make others pay for it.

    I agree it amazes me how many children, teens and adults on a regular basis don't wear their seatbelts. if you value your teeth and life wear them.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • satansbedsatansbed Posts: 2,139
    g under p wrote:
    Last-12-Exit wrote:
    Just as its your choice to wear appropriate PPE, it is also your choice not to. The government shouldn't be telling anyone that they HAVE to do something. I am not opposed to insurance companies not paying out claims if riders don't wear helmets. But it still should be your choice.

    Would you like your government to force you to go to bed every night at 8:00pm?

    The answer to that question is....is there a danger or physical harm in the government forcing one to go to bed by 8:00pm?

    peace

    not only that but in times of civil unrest.... riots etc they do have the power to enforce curfews

    e.g.

    In August 2008, the city of New Orleans instituted an emergency "dusk to dawn" curfew as Hurricane Gustav approached the Gulf Coast.

    In September 2008, Houston instituted a midnight-to-6:00a.m. curfew as the city sought to clean up debris and repair power outages due to Hurricane Ike.

    In April 1992, authorities in Los Angeles imposed a dusk-to-dawn curfew and deployed the National Guard to help quell city-wide civil disturbances, after the acquittal of LAPD officers involved in the beating of Rodney King.

    and actually many states have state laws requiring curfew for many late night establishments
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    satansbed wrote:
    g under p wrote:
    Last-12-Exit wrote:
    Just as its your choice to wear appropriate PPE, it is also your choice not to. The government shouldn't be telling anyone that they HAVE to do something. I am not opposed to insurance companies not paying out claims if riders don't wear helmets. But it still should be your choice.

    Would you like your government to force you to go to bed every night at 8:00pm?

    The answer to that question is....is there a danger or physical harm in the government forcing one to go to bed by 8:00pm?

    peace

    not only that but in times of civil unrest.... riots etc they do have the power to enforce curfews

    e.g.

    In August 2008, the city of New Orleans instituted an emergency "dusk to dawn" curfew as Hurricane Gustav approached the Gulf Coast.

    In September 2008, Houston instituted a midnight-to-6:00a.m. curfew as the city sought to clean up debris and repair power outages due to Hurricane Ike.

    In April 1992, authorities in Los Angeles imposed a dusk-to-dawn curfew and deployed the National Guard to help quell city-wide civil disturbances, after the acquittal of LAPD officers involved in the beating of Rodney King.

    and actually many states have state laws requiring curfew for many late night establishments

    Yes good examples but is there a danger in the goverment implementing such a curfew? it appears they are trying to bring back some sort of social order in order to keep the citizenry out of harms way.

    peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    G and P

    the bigger question to me isn't what they are attempting to do for our own goods (so glad we have them to tell us how to live safely), but rather "why" in regards to the arbitrary nature with which they base their decisions? it seems as though there is no rhyme or reason to them. I just have one comparison to make that illustrates my point...cigarettes and marijuana. When the rules are arbitrary it leads me to believe there are other reasons for the decisions.
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
    It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
    - Joe Rogan
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,495
    There have been 3 fatalities involving people that work at my manufacturing plant in the last 6 years. None happened at work. All happened outside work. Wanna guess what was involved in each fatality? And these were 20-30 somethings.
    hippiemom = goodness
  • 8181 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    they never cared before. :lol:

    i went up to canada a few times on my motorcycle. the last time, some douche bag stole my helmet.

    so on the way home...in canada i was yelled at by some motorcyclists...pulled over by the cops shortly after (showed them my police report from when i reported it.... they sent me on my way.). stopped for a snack before heading home...after snack...got yelled at by some other people in a car. they take that shit serious up there.

    anyways, cross back into the states and cruise down I75 with no issues. pretty sure i passed a state trooper on teh way.

    i don't know what the point is....that's right...michigan cops didn't care to begin with. :lol:
    81 is now off the air

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  • 8181 Needing a ride to Forest Hills and a ounce of weed. Please inquire within. Thanks. Or not. Posts: 58,276
    i think it should be your right to wear or not wear.....

    that said....i see so many clowns riding helmet less with the helmet attached to the bike. i'll never understand that. :fp:
    81 is now off the air

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  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    cincybearcat wrote:
    There have been 3 fatalities involving people that work at my manufacturing plant in the last 6 years. None happened at work. All happened outside work. Wanna guess what was involved in each fatality? And these were 20-30 somethings.


    hot dogs?
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • Monster RainMonster Rain Posts: 1,415
    I normally don't like the government telling people what to do, but this is one of those cases where I think they need to--not because I care about some indiot who thinks he's too cool or tough to wear a helmet but because I'd hate to be the other driver in an accident involving someone on a motorcycle without a helmet. In revoking the law, did they also pass something protecting other drivers if there is an injury or fatality that could have been prevented by wearing a helmet? Did they pass something that requires the helmetless rider's insurance company to pay for the psychological treatment that driver might need after seeing the rider's head busted open because of an otherwise minor accident? That law may not have protected anyone else in a physical sense but it could have protected people in terms of criminal charges such as vehicular manslaughter and lawsuits due to injuries that otherwise would not have happened.
  • Last-12-ExitLast-12-Exit Charleston, SC Posts: 8,661
    81 wrote:
    i think it should be your right to wear or not wear.....

    that said....i see so many clowns riding helmet less with the helmet attached to the bike. i'll never understand that. :fp:

    It's.not.your right, its your choice.
  • satansbedsatansbed Posts: 2,139
    81 wrote:
    i think it should be your right to wear or not wear.....

    that said....i see so many clowns riding helmet less with the helmet attached to the bike. i'll never understand that. :fp:

    I think at some point the government has to step in and save people from their own stupidity
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    satansbed wrote:
    81 wrote:
    i think it should be your right to wear or not wear.....

    that said....i see so many clowns riding helmet less with the helmet attached to the bike. i'll never understand that. :fp:

    I think at some point the government has to step in and save people from their own stupidity
    Why? It's not the government's role, is it? They're not responsible for my actions, I am.

    If I can't save (or educate) myself, why should the government?

    (and why exactly are the stupid worth saving to begin with?)
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