The next American Century- Republican primary over

usamamasan1

well, pretty sure Romney is going to be able to solidify his base now. This is going to be dope. Obama said that this madate wasn't a tax all along. Good times.

Believe in America


Woot!

keeponrockin

Mitt Romney is going to solidify his base by running against a law which is exactly what he implemented.

Okay.

usamamasan1

Obama on whether individual mandate is a tax: 'It is absolutely not'
Published June 28, 2012
Sep 20, 2009

Obama: Mandate is Not a Tax

ABC News Interview



GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS: ...during the campaign. Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don't. How is that not a tax?

OBAMA: Well, hold on a second, George. Here - here's what's happening. You and I are both paying $900, on average - our families - in higher premiums because of uncompensated care. Now what I've said is that if you can't afford health insurance, you certainly shouldn't be punished for that.

That's just piling on. If, on the other hand, we're giving tax credits, we've set up an exchange, you are now part of a big pool, we've driven down the costs, we've done everything we can and you actually can afford health insurance, but you've just decided, you know what, I want to take my chances. And then you get hit by a bus and you and I have to pay for the emergency room care, that's ...

STEPHANOPOULOS: That may be, but it's still a tax increase.

OBAMA: No. That's not true, George. The - for us to say that you've got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase. What it's saying is, is that we're not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore than the fact that right now everybody in America, just about, has to get auto insurance. Nobody considers that a tax increase. People say to themselves, that is a fair way to make sure that if you hit my car, that I'm not covering all the costs.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But it may be fair, it may be good public policy ...

OBAMA: No, but - but, George, you - you can't just make up that language and decide that that's called a tax increase. Any ...

STEPHANOPOULOS: Here's the ...

OBAMA: What - what - if I - if I say that right now your premiums are going to be going up by 5 or 8 or 10 percent next year and you say well, that's not a tax increase; but, on the other hand, if I say that I don't want to have to pay for you not carrying coverage even after I give you tax credits that make it affordable, then ...

STEPHANOPOULOS: I - I don't think I'm making it up. Merriam Webster's Dictionary: Tax - "a charge, usually of money, imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes."

OBAMA: George, the fact that you looked up Merriam's Dictionary, the definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you're stretching a little bit right now. Otherwise, you wouldn't have gone to the dictionary to check on the definition. I mean what ...

STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, no, but ...

OBAMA: ... what you're saying is ...

STEPHANOPOULOS: I wanted to check for myself. But your critics say it is a tax increase.

OBAMA: My critics say everything is a tax increase. My critics say that I'm taking over every sector of the economy. You know that. Look, we can have a legitimate debate about whether or not we're going to have an individual mandate or not, but ...

STEPHANOPOULOS: But you reject that it's a tax increase?

OBAMA: I absolutely reject that notion.








"What the court did not do on its last day in session, I will do on my first day if elected president of the United States," Romney said. "And that is I will act to repeal ObamaCare."

The Republican presidential candidate, as expected, said he disagrees with the high court's finding. He stressed that the court did not speak to the merits of the policy itself.

"What the court did today was say that ObamaCare does not violate the Constitution. What they did not do was say that ObamaCare is good law or that it's good policy. ObamaCare was bad policy yesterday. It's bad policy today."

Jason P

keeponrockin wrote:

Mitt Romney is going to solidify his base by running against a law which is exactly what he implemented.

Okay.

Ironic, isn't it?

gimmesometruth27

keeponrockin wrote:

Mitt Romney is going to solidify his base by running against a law which is exactly what he implemented.

Okay.

unsung

keeponrockin wrote:

Mitt Romney is going to solidify his base by running against a law which is exactly what he implemented.

Okay.

There is a difference. The State can do it, the General Government is not supposed to.

usamamasan1

WOOT!

And, I think todays ruling enforced state rights. Chris Christie is a winner today with the veto move he made. Saved tons of money in litigation and set up costs.

Woot!

BinauralJam

:yawn:

BinauralJam

By Maeve Reston

June 28, 2012, 11:09 a.m.

The Supreme Court’s decision to uphold the individual mandate central to President Obama’s health care law carried immediate benefits for Mitt Romney, namely a newly energized Republican electorate and the ability to keep hammering his promise to repeal the law on “Day One.”

“This is the time of choice for the American people,” the presumptive nominee said during an appearance in Washington D.C. on Thursday. “If you don't want the course that President Obama has put us on, if you want instead a course that the Founders envisioned, then join me in this effort. Help us. Help us defeat Obamacare.”

But the Supreme Court’s decision also was a reminder of what Romney’s campaign would like Republican voters to forget — that he too embraced an individual mandate in his efforts to win universal healthcare for his state as governor of Massachusetts. The law that was once considered Romney’s signature achievement is one that he now rarely mentions.

Romney’s healthcare law, which required most state residents to purchase health insurance or pay a fine, engendered distrust among millions of Republican primary voters who viewed the law as the precursor to Obama’s healthcare plan. And Romney’s rejection of the president’s federal effort opened him to charges of flip-flopping from opponents on both sides.

On the eve of Thursday’s decision, the Democratic outside group American Bridge 21st Century dredged up video of Romney from a 2006 press conference speaking favorably of a healthcare mandate.

“With regards to the mandate, the individual responsibility program which I proposed, I was very pleased to see that the compromise from the two houses includes the personal responsibility principle,” Romney said in the 2006 video released by American Bridge. “That is essential for bringing healthcare costs down for everyone and getting everybody the health insurance they deserve and need. So I was very, very pleased with that development.”

On the campaign trail over the past few years, Romney’s emphasis has been dramatically different. He has insisted, as he did Thursday, that Obama’s healthcare law was an overreach of federal power. And he has argued that while states may have the power under their constitutions to care for the uninsured (as his state did), “the federal government should not take over that power,” he has said.

When pressed in interviews, the former Massachusetts Governor has also rejected the notion that his law inspired Obama’s federal law. “People asked me, would you use your RomneyCare and have a federal program just like it? And I said, absolutely not,” Romney told CNN host Piers Morgan last year, “It would violate the Constitution, and states have differences that you have to accommodate.”

At the same time, Romney has refused to disavow the Massachusetts law, noting that it is popular within his state and has helped to insure millions of children.

But those are fine distinctions to make in the heat of a presidential campaign. For that reason, when Romney has talked about healthcare on the campaign trail, his focus is squarely on his criticisms of Obama’s plan, which he described this week as a massive “power grab by federal government.”

Romney’s vow to repeal and replace Obama’s healthcare plan as one of his first acts in office has become one of his most reliable applause lines. But he has offered few details about how he would “replace” that plan as president, though his aides promise that there is still plenty of time to reveal those details in the remaining four months of the race.

Among the few hints about his plans: he has said he would task states with caring for the uninsured and the poor, rather than having the federal government impose “a one size fits all Obamacare-type plan.” But he has offered only the vaguest details about how that would work, stating, for example, that he would distribute the money that “the government normally sends” to states as block grants.

The former Massachusetts governor has come under fire from Democrats for failing to embrace one of the most popular provisions of the president’s plan, which prohibits insurance companies from discriminating against people with pre-existing conditions.

During a question-and-answer session with voters in Ohio in late February, Romney said that he would support a federal law that would prevent insurance companies from dropping patients who become sick, but then offered a different definition of “pre-existing conditions coverage.”

“I want to make sure that at the federal level we have a law that says the insurance company can’t drop you from coverage if someone gets sick in your family or if you get sick,” he told the audience in Ohio. “I also want to make sure that someone who’s been continuously insured and becomes ill, if they change jobs or lose a job can’t be denied coverage. That’s the so-called preexisting coverage provision.”

On Thursday, he did not mention the “continuously insured” requirement of his plan when announcing that as president he would make sure “that those people who have pre-existing conditions know that they will be able to be insured and they will not lose their insurance.” Th Romney campaign said there had been no shift in his policies.

As usual, there was no mention of Romney's own plan in Massachusetts, much less the lessons that he learned from that experience.

usamamasan1

Friends,

Today, the Supreme Court upheld Obamacare. But regardless of what the Court said about the constitutionality of the law, Obamacare is bad medicine, it is bad policy, and when I'm President, the bad news of Obamacare will be over.

It was always a liberal pipedream that a 2,700 page, multi-trillion-dollar Federal Government takeover of our health care system actually could address the very serious problems we face with health care. With Obamacare fully installed, government will reach fully half of the economy - that is the recipe for a struggling economy and declining prosperity.

On Day One, I will work to repeal Obamacare to stop the government's takeover of our health care and intrusion in our lives. I will push for real reform to our health care system that focuses on helping patients and protecting taxpayers.

We cannot afford Barack Obama's on-the-job learning, Big Government proposals, and irresponsible spending. Our basic liberties are at stake - and I will fight to restore our freedoms, renew the respect for our Constitution, and halt the government takeover of health care.

This November it's all on the line. The stakes couldn't be higher.

Donate $10 or more to put a stop to the policies of Barack Obama and the liberal Democrats.

Thanks,

Mitt Romney

gimmesometruth27

usamamasan1 wrote:

Friends,

Today, the Supreme Court upheld Obamacare. But regardless of what the Court said about the constitutionality of the law, Obamacare is bad medicine, it is bad policy, and when I'm President, the bad news of Obamacare will be over.

It was always a liberal pipedream that a 2,700 page, multi-trillion-dollar Federal Government takeover of our health care system actually could address the very serious problems we face with health care. With Obamacare fully installed, government will reach fully half of the economy - that is the recipe for a struggling economy and declining prosperity.

On Day One, I will work to repeal Obamacare to stop the government's takeover of our health care and intrusion in our lives. I will push for real reform to our health care system that focuses on helping patients and protecting taxpayers.

We cannot afford Barack Obama's on-the-job learning, Big Government proposals, and irresponsible spending. Our basic liberties are at stake - and I will fight to restore our freedoms, renew the respect for our Constitution, and halt the government takeover of health care.

This November it's all on the line. The stakes couldn't be higher.

Donate $10 or more to put a stop to the policies of Barack Obama and the liberal Democrats.

Thanks,

Mitt Romney

:fp:

he forgot to admit that this is the same bill he championed as his own legislative masterpiece while governor.... "i loved it before, but that would make me unelectable, so i hate it now...."

Newch91

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

usamamasan1 wrote:

Friends,

Today, the Supreme Court upheld Obamacare. But regardless of what the Court said about the constitutionality of the law, Obamacare is bad medicine, it is bad policy, and when I'm President, the bad news of Obamacare will be over.

It was always a liberal pipedream that a 2,700 page, multi-trillion-dollar Federal Government takeover of our health care system actually could address the very serious problems we face with health care. With Obamacare fully installed, government will reach fully half of the economy - that is the recipe for a struggling economy and declining prosperity.

On Day One, I will work to repeal Obamacare to stop the government's takeover of our health care and intrusion in our lives. I will push for real reform to our health care system that focuses on helping patients and protecting taxpayers.

We cannot afford Barack Obama's on-the-job learning, Big Government proposals, and irresponsible spending. Our basic liberties are at stake - and I will fight to restore our freedoms, renew the respect for our Constitution, and halt the government takeover of health care.

This November it's all on the line. The stakes couldn't be higher.

Donate $10 or more to put a stop to the policies of Barack Obama and the liberal Democrats.

Thanks,

Mitt Romney

:fp:

he forgot to admit that this is the same bill he championed as his own legislative masterpiece while governor.... "i loved it before, but that would make me unelectable, so i hate it now...."

Don't forget, in 2009, he also encouraged Obama to include the mandate.

peacefrompaul

Newch91 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

usamamasan1 wrote:

Friends,

Today, the Supreme Court upheld Obamacare. But regardless of what the Court said about the constitutionality of the law, Obamacare is bad medicine, it is bad policy, and when I'm President, the bad news of Obamacare will be over.

It was always a liberal pipedream that a 2,700 page, multi-trillion-dollar Federal Government takeover of our health care system actually could address the very serious problems we face with health care. With Obamacare fully installed, government will reach fully half of the economy - that is the recipe for a struggling economy and declining prosperity.

On Day One, I will work to repeal Obamacare to stop the government's takeover of our health care and intrusion in our lives. I will push for real reform to our health care system that focuses on helping patients and protecting taxpayers.

We cannot afford Barack Obama's on-the-job learning, Big Government proposals, and irresponsible spending. Our basic liberties are at stake - and I will fight to restore our freedoms, renew the respect for our Constitution, and halt the government takeover of health care.

This November it's all on the line. The stakes couldn't be higher.

Donate $10 or more to put a stop to the policies of Barack Obama and the liberal Democrats.

Thanks,

Mitt Romney

:fp:

he forgot to admit that this is the same bill he championed as his own legislative masterpiece while governor.... "i loved it before, but that would make me unelectable, so i hate it now...."

Don't forget, in 2009, he also encouraged Obama to include the mandate.

Oh Mittens... He's an entertaining bastard...

Newch91

peacefrompaul wrote:

Newch91 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

:fp:

he forgot to admit that this is the same bill he championed as his own legislative masterpiece while governor.... "i loved it before, but that would make me unelectable, so i hate it now...."

Don't forget, in 2009, he also encouraged Obama to include the mandate.

Oh Mittens... He's an entertaining bastard...

He's a character, that's for sure.

I can't remember if he also said his health care plan was a model for the nation. I think he did, but not 100% sure.

Newch91

http://www.borowitzreport.com/2012/06/2 ... -ever-had/

Romney Blasts Supreme Court, Calling Healthcare Act ‘Worst Idea I Ever Had’
Vows to Repeal Own Law

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) – Just minutes after the Supreme Court upheld President Obama’s Affordable Care Act, Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney slammed the Court, calling the law “the worst idea I ever had.”

“I vow to repeal this law on my first day in office,” he told a crowd at a campaign rally. “Until then, I will work tirelessly to make people forget that I used to totally love it.”

At the White House, President Obama greeted the news of the Court’s decision in muted fashion: “I haven’t been this pumped since I smoked bin Laden.”

Dissenters in the 5-4 decision included Justice Antonin Scalia, who wrote, “The only medical procedures the government should pay for are forced transvaginal ultrasounds and exorcisms.”

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell also had harsh words for the healthcare law, telling reporters, “Under Obamacare, you will be forced to marry a gay doctor.”

But perhaps the most negative appraisal came from Speaker of the House John Boehner: “This is a dark day for America. If we are forced to have healthcare, it’s only a matter of time before we have education.”

Newch91

Wonder if he'll be changing this soon?

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2012/ ... e_day.html

usamamasan1

What Businesses Didn't Get From the Health Care Ruling

Religious leaders pray over a bible and a copy of the verdict on President Barack Obama's healthcare overhaul law …For American businesses, uncertainty over the health care law is anything but over.

When the Supreme Court upheld Obamacare on Thursday-including the individual mandate that forces most Americans to have insurance-it made the issue even more political, promising it ultimately will be decided in the November presidential election.

GOP candidate Mitt Romney vowed again Thursday to repeal the act if elected, while President Obama said he would move forward in implementing it.

That means businesses will have a hard time budgeting for health care costs and are likely to delay hiring even further.

U.S. corporations are sitting on more than $1.2 trillion in cash - $3.5 trillion counting the financial sector - that has not been deployed, in large part due to anxiety over health care, the looming fiscal cliff in Washington, and the European debt crisis.

The Supreme Court decision "increases the likelihood that businesses will continue to hold onto that cash to see how the election turns out," said Greg Valliere, chief political strategist at Potomac Research Group in Washington, D.C. "If Romney wins, he will overturn the Affordable Care Act within days of his inauguration on Jan. 20. Therefore, the reluctance of businesses to spend and hire will persist at least through the election."

The court decision hinged on the individual mandate, a provision the court upheld so long as it is called a "tax" rather than a "penalty" as the law's wording originally indicated.

"From a political standpoint, this significantly improves the chance that Romney wins in November," said Valliere, who called the decision a "Pyrrhic victory" for Obama. "Congress was too chicken to use the word 'tax' because it has such a pejorative implication for voters...Of course, the Supreme Court doesn't have to run for re-election."

That political advantage may cheer the Romney supporters,but it does little to assuage concerns of business leaders and investors alike who were hoping to get the health care issue resolved.

Obamacare serves as one point in a daunting triad of uncertainty the business climate faces.

There also is the accelerating debt crisis in the euro zone, as well as the fiscal cliff, a term coined by Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke to describe the automatic spending cuts and tax increases that kick in at the beginning of 2013 if Congress fails to agree to a deficit-reduction plan.

To be sure, the reaction to the decision was mixed, with some saying that the decision, good or bad, at least will allow companies to plan for the future.

"As flawed as it is, it still has taken us some way along the path to reduce some uncertainty," said James Paulsen, chief market strategist at Wells Capital Management in Minneapolis. "To throw it all out would have put us back to square one and, net-net, a loss for the country."

Paulsen added that he was glad that what essentially was a political decision did not get overturned at the judicial level.

But the political considerations are no small part of what happens going forward. Not only will the fate of the law under a Romney administration hang in the balance, but there also remain a number of questions with how the mandate will be implemented.

"The level of uncertainty about the outlook and ultimate cost to business of the health care reform bill remains somewhat," said David Resler, chief economist at Nomura Securities in New York. "It kind of leaves us where we were."

How Key Health Care Stocks Are Doing
Among the questions Resler pointed out will be how the Internal Revenue Service collects the new tax, and how reporting will take place. He compared it to the Dodd-Frank banking reform law, which still has many provisions that are being negotiated.

"Most of the scheduled implementation for that has not been met, and it's not clear that the provisions under the health care law will be met as originally envisioned in the law," Resler said. "There's still some uncertainty, but businesses have some clarity about the rules of the road, so to speak, going forward."

The stock market reacted negatively to the decision, sending major averages and health care stocks in particular down about 1 percent or more across the board, though the market could be more inclined to move onto other concerns in future days.

"Stocks themselves are just going to pretty much crash because of what's happening with Europe and because of the fiscal cliff in the U.S.," said Lee Markowitz, partner at Continental Capital Advisors in New York. "The broader issues are so much bigger than some increase in spending related to health care."


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/businesse ... 33956.html




Believe in America

Woot!

unsung

Anyone that thinks Mitt Romney will be the savior to this really makes me question your intelligence.

ComeToTX

This should be Romney's new tag line:

Who Needs Healthcare If The President Has Magic Underwear?

gimmesometruth27

ComeToTX wrote:

This should be Romney's new tag line:

Who Needs Healthcare If The President Has Magic Underwear?

or

"marriage should be between one man, and as many women as he would like..."