The church fucking up lives again....

Thoughts_Arrive

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Hugh Freaking Dillon

the church doesn't fuck up lives. stupid humans do.

usamamasan1

The "church" has done much good for many lives.

God bless you.

It's Resurrection Day!

Through his death, burial, and resurrection, Jesus paid the penalty for sin, thus purchasing for all who believe in him, eternal life in Christ Jesus.


Woot!

Godfather.

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

the church doesn't fuck up lives. stupid humans do.

:shock: dude this is getting scary.......two things in one life time we agree on, my wife and I are going to Church in a little while in San Diego maybe you ans usamamason1 will meet us there
Happy Easter to all the train folk and God Bless !

Godfather.

Godfather.

usamamasan1 wrote:

The "church" has done much good for many lives.

God bless you.

It's Resurrection Day!

Through his death, burial, and resurrection, Jesus paid the penalty for sin, thus purchasing for all who believe in him, eternal life in Christ Jesus.


Woot!

Amen Brother !

Godfather.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

It just doesn't make sense to call out a whole group of people for the acts of a few. But yes, I can see why you're getting a bit scared!

PJ_Soul

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

the church doesn't fuck up lives. stupid humans do.

The Church was built and is maintained by stupid humans...

So do people REALLY believe Jesus took on all our sins by dying and then came back to life only to say bye 'till later when everyone dies except the good 'uns? No, like really, without metaphor or anything?

Just don't get how people could believe that in a literal way ... seems a bit unlikely, doesn't it?

hedonist

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

It just doesn't make sense to call out a whole group of people for the acts of a few.

Never does! Thanks for the common sense.

hedonist

PJ_Soul wrote:

The Church was built and is maintained by stupid humans...

I don't disagree, but by that logic, so has everything.

For me, I'm not about to begrudge someone's beliefs if they live an honorable life, mind their own business, and leave me to mine.

Easy!

Hugh Freaking Dillon

PJ_Soul wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

the church doesn't fuck up lives. stupid humans do.

So do people REALLY believe Jesus took on all our sins by dying and then came back to life only to say bye 'till later when everyone dies except the good 'uns? No, like really, without metaphor or anything?

Just don't get how people could believe that in a literal way ... seems a bit unlikely, doesn't it?

98% of the world apparently does. I'm one of the 2%.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

PJ_Soul wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

the church doesn't fuck up lives. stupid humans do.

The Church was built and is maintained by stupid humans...

how so? just because it was so many years ago? that's not stupid. that's just evolution of knowledge. the church has laid the groundwork for pretty much every single charitable organization you see today.

I know many intelligent people who maintain the church. I don't agree with their beliefs, but that doesn't make them stupid. nor does it make me stupid.

it makes us human.

brianlux

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

the church doesn't fuck up lives. stupid humans do.

So do people REALLY believe Jesus took on all our sins by dying and then came back to life only to say bye 'till later when everyone dies except the good 'uns? No, like really, without metaphor or anything?

Just don't get how people could believe that in a literal way ... seems a bit unlikely, doesn't it?

98% of the world apparently does. I'm one of the 2%.

I don't know about 98%, Hugh, but a lot sure do. I'm not strongly opposed to beliefs but I don't follow them either and I like how Hedonist phrased the this thought.

What makes more sense to me is to have ritual based on things that are both knowable and real in the physical world and symbolic. Instead of Easter, for example (which I'm not dissing here) I'd rather celebrate the solstices or a full moon or the first day of spring. Both provide excellent changes in the real world or, as in the case of spring, a fertility celebration. And I think death as a form of rebirth, the whole cycle of death giving life- that's worthy of celebration or ritual as well. I suppose the Christian celebration of Easter sort of ties into that but I'm with those that don't accept certain aspects of it- but I'm ok with people who are into it.

Sorry, I think I've digressed to a holiday topic.

peacefrompaul

Well I listened to the Pastor try to give proof today that Christ rose from the dead, etc. etc.

"A woman's account was written in the Bible, that was not normal in that time to listen to a woman's account and write it down... Claiming it as truth... Not that I'm against it, it was just the way it was in Jesus's time and much of history for that matter."

Well... Okay... Whatever makes you happy I suppose.

peacefrompaul

PJ_Soul wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

the church doesn't fuck up lives. stupid humans do.

The Church was built and is maintained by stupid humans...

So do people REALLY believe Jesus took on all our sins by dying and then came back to life only to say bye 'till later when everyone dies except the good 'uns? No, like really, without metaphor or anything?

Just don't get how people could believe that in a literal way ... seems a bit unlikely, doesn't it?

Some people need a higher power to cling to and, well, that's fine if that works for you. The people that maintain churches can be rather brilliant in my opinion.

Thoughts_Arrive

The majority of churchgoers and those that run the churches are fakes.

Prince Of Dorkness

I've never known anyone who actually believed everything that was in the bible or even the majority of it.

The church and religion are just a coward's excuse to hurt other people in an attempt to make yourself feel better or an excuse to look down on other people. Nothing more.


Oh... To sexually abuse kids. It's used for that, a lot, too.

dimitrispearljam

hedonist wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

It just doesn't make sense to call out a whole group of people for the acts of a few.

Never does! Thanks for the common sense.

pandora

"The church and religion are just a coward's excuse to hurt other people in an attempt to make yourself feel better or an excuse to look down on other people. Nothing more."
:wtf:

wow that is a horrible generalization of some very good people doing very good things
in our world ... better than many.



I'm a little late ... hope Easter was a beautiful day for everyone ...
ours was lovely.

hedonist

pandora wrote:

"The church and religion are just a coward's excuse to hurt other people in an attempt to make yourself feel better or an excuse to look down on other people. Nothing more."
:wtf:

wow that is a horrible generalization of some very good people doing very good things
in our world ... better than many.

I agree, though I wouldn't say better than many...maybe just "the same" as many.

Prince, I wonder if the cowardice you mention is applied just to the church? Just to Christianity? Can we toss Jews and Muslims and other religions and houses of worship into the mix?

There's been a shitload of molestation charges brought against teachers out here in LA lately. Shall we condemn all teachers too?

Sure is a lot of hate tossed around when speaking of hate.

Blankets and blankets of it.

My father relied upon his religion to get through the fucked-up years of the Holocaust and WWII. Are you calling him a coward? Saying he looked down on others?

I would call big fat bullshit to that. How insulting to and dismissive of many good and kind people.

polaris_x

hedonist wrote:

There's been a shitload of molestation charges brought against teachers out here in LA lately. Shall we condemn all teachers too?

i haven't read the whole thread ... but if we are talking about molestation and the catholic church ... the thing to consider is regardless of whether catholic policies are linked to the high number of pedophiles - it's the response afterwards that makes the catholic church deplorable ... transferring known pedophiles knowing they would continue to molest children is a crime against humanity ... it is why the current pope should be in jail ...

i had lunch with a co-worker friend who i think is great and is catholic ... i found it troubling to hear her say she's catholic and she believes strongly but didn't really know what's going on with the church ... she's for gay marriage, believes in pre-marital sex, believes in contraception ... i'm like - you aren't catholic ... but she's adamant she is and that it's just a minor variances in values ... :?

hedonist

polaris_x wrote:

hedonist wrote:

There's been a shitload of molestation charges brought against teachers out here in LA lately. Shall we condemn all teachers too?

i haven't read the whole thread ... but if we are talking about molestation and the catholic church ... the thing to consider is regardless of whether catholic policies are linked to the high number of pedophiles - it's the response afterwards that makes the catholic church deplorable ... transferring known pedophiles knowing they would continue to molest children is a crime against humanity

I agree with this, polaris. The same thing is happening within our schools as well. Close the eyes, transfer them out, keep the blinders on.

But to paint the - any - whole group with one brush is absurd. That's what I was talking about.