The church fucking up lives again....
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God bless you.
It's Resurrection Day!
Through his death, burial, and resurrection, Jesus paid the penalty for sin, thus purchasing for all who believe in him, eternal life in Christ Jesus.
Woot!
:shock: dude this is getting scary.......two things in one life time we agree on, my wife and I are going to Church in a little while in San Diego maybe you ans usamamason1 will meet us there
Happy Easter to all the train folk and God Bless !
Godfather.
Amen Brother !
Godfather.
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St. Paul 2014
So do people REALLY believe Jesus took on all our sins by dying and then came back to life only to say bye 'till later when everyone dies except the good 'uns? No, like really, without metaphor or anything?
Just don't get how people could believe that in a literal way ... seems a bit unlikely, doesn't it?
For me, I'm not about to begrudge someone's beliefs if they live an honorable life, mind their own business, and leave me to mine.
Easy!
98% of the world apparently does. I'm one of the 2%.
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how so? just because it was so many years ago? that's not stupid. that's just evolution of knowledge. the church has laid the groundwork for pretty much every single charitable organization you see today.
I know many intelligent people who maintain the church. I don't agree with their beliefs, but that doesn't make them stupid. nor does it make me stupid.
it makes us human.
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I don't know about 98%, Hugh, but a lot sure do. I'm not strongly opposed to beliefs but I don't follow them either and I like how Hedonist phrased the this thought.
What makes more sense to me is to have ritual based on things that are both knowable and real in the physical world and symbolic. Instead of Easter, for example (which I'm not dissing here) I'd rather celebrate the solstices or a full moon or the first day of spring. Both provide excellent changes in the real world or, as in the case of spring, a fertility celebration. And I think death as a form of rebirth, the whole cycle of death giving life- that's worthy of celebration or ritual as well. I suppose the Christian celebration of Easter sort of ties into that but I'm with those that don't accept certain aspects of it- but I'm ok with people who are into it.
Sorry, I think I've digressed to a holiday topic.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
"A woman's account was written in the Bible, that was not normal in that time to listen to a woman's account and write it down... Claiming it as truth... Not that I'm against it, it was just the way it was in Jesus's time and much of history for that matter."
Well... Okay... Whatever makes you happy I suppose.
Some people need a higher power to cling to and, well, that's fine if that works for you. The people that maintain churches can be rather brilliant in my opinion.
The church and religion are just a coward's excuse to hurt other people in an attempt to make yourself feel better or an excuse to look down on other people. Nothing more.
Oh... To sexually abuse kids. It's used for that, a lot, too.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
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wow that is a horrible generalization of some very good people doing very good things
in our world ... better than many.
I'm a little late ... hope Easter was a beautiful day for everyone ...
ours was lovely.
Prince, I wonder if the cowardice you mention is applied just to the church? Just to Christianity? Can we toss Jews and Muslims and other religions and houses of worship into the mix?
There's been a shitload of molestation charges brought against teachers out here in LA lately. Shall we condemn all teachers too?
Sure is a lot of hate tossed around when speaking of hate.
Blankets and blankets of it.
My father relied upon his religion to get through the fucked-up years of the Holocaust and WWII. Are you calling him a coward? Saying he looked down on others?
I would call big fat bullshit to that. How insulting to and dismissive of many good and kind people.
i haven't read the whole thread ... but if we are talking about molestation and the catholic church ... the thing to consider is regardless of whether catholic policies are linked to the high number of pedophiles - it's the response afterwards that makes the catholic church deplorable ... transferring known pedophiles knowing they would continue to molest children is a crime against humanity ... it is why the current pope should be in jail ...
i had lunch with a co-worker friend who i think is great and is catholic ... i found it troubling to hear her say she's catholic and she believes strongly but didn't really know what's going on with the church ... she's for gay marriage, believes in pre-marital sex, believes in contraception ... i'm like - you aren't catholic ... but she's adamant she is and that it's just a minor variances in values ... :?
But to paint the - any - whole group with one brush is absurd. That's what I was talking about.
yeah ... obviously not all catholics are bad people but the entity known as the catholic church is deplorable when it comes to human rights ...
in canada - we have same sex marriages because preventing them would go against our charter of human rights ... the catholic church would have us ban something that would go against that charter ... add reproductive rights, historical abuse charges, handling of molestation and you have an entity that is more concerned with maintaining a power over people than actually helping them ...
i honestly believe that if the catholic church ceased to exist - the world would be a better place ...
But seriously, have all the opinions you want, but you can't actually believe that such a statement is objectively justifiable, right? Right??? Egads.
Pandora, you gotta stop rising to the bait that is Dorkness' body of work in threads like these. It's not worth your time.
agree with 99% of what you have wrote except for the "the world would be a better place" comment. If the catholic church didn't exist the people who have done bad would just use another philosophy to do what they want to do.
I believe that those priest who raped kids would do so even if they were not priest.
this is a very narrow view. while the church has done great harm, I also know many good things that the church has done. I remember back in the early 1990, many churches here in Canada were helping people living with HIV and actually fought along side of people against hospitals and governments.
its never good to paint everyone with the same brush.
i'm not sure about that ... i think celibacy and indoctrination are a lethal combination ... also, by a better place ... i'm not just talking about child molestation ... the catholic church spends a considerable amount of time and money looking to hinder other people's rights ... see gays and women ...
let's be honest, while hurting one child is hurting to many. we have to keep in mind percentages. most priest have never hurt a child and they follow the rules of celibacy. I personally believe that just because you are a priest can't mean that your also not a sick bastard. priest are not a different breed of people.
as for gay people and woman, I agree but i still believe that if the church was not doing it than another group would. that's because imo, people still follow the us and them idea. people don't like the idea of someone different then them.
thing is tho ... how many cases do we not know about!?? ... i doubt all the covered-up cases have been exposed ... i dunno ... i just don't believe in celibacy for life and indoctrination ...
ya ... catholics do not have a monopoly on oppressing specific groups of people ... the thing with the catholic church is that it is arguably the most powerful religion in the world ... sure, if the catholic church folded up tomorrow ... there would be some other religion looking to indoctrinate the cast outs but they won't have the influence or power the catholic church has ...
100% agreed that we don't know everything about the abuse yet and we may never know. and I hold the police and the Church responsible to finding out how many. and everyone who is guilty should be punished to the point of death.
Organizing aid, raising money, traveling outside their communities,
staying within helping locals in terrible need.
As the family here in GA caught in the smokey automobile pile up in FL recently.
Everyone killed in the car except for one child. Her whole family gone.
They were here on an expired visa from Brazil for over a decade.
Their church fought hard to have her stay here in the US and raised money for her injuries.
And the church groups who go to the ravaged tornado victims and stay for weeks to help.
There are countess efforts daily because of churches bringing people together
to feel others pain and to help them through crisis.
Churches are just people... good people working for their communities and fellow
members.
This what I meant, this how they do better than many who don't bother to help
for the simple reason of not being organized to do so.
This is the mission from my local church, "We are pursuing Christ's reign in all of life to advance God's kingdom in all the earth for His Glory." Their mission is to spread the word... Helping others comes with that but the main goal is to get people into the church. People in your church=more offerings=more money for the church because the bible says we're supposed to tithe. It's a business to me but I can't deny the good things that they do. They're not all bad guys that force me into it. I don't have to go if I don't want to.