Excellent point, and well received. It sucks that the ability for someone to scam you puts the fear in you to pay for the insurance. Tracking and delivery confirmation for sure on everything, but taking out insurance that might cause the buyer to have to come out of pocket like that would make me not want to buy at all. For the price quoted in the original post, is a deal breaker for me. If their is tracking, how can the postal carriers deny compensation?
If airlines lose your bags you get compensated, so why would this be any different. If you have a tracking # and a human has to sign for the item, and your selling it to a 10C member, I would hope that folks would act appropriately and not scam.
I suppose this only happens when merch goes from the U.S. to Europe? Sorry to hog the thread, but I am very interested in this topic, as I love collecting and trading.
i would have to say that you guys sound like you have money to burn. those sentiments make it obvious that you've never been burned by a damaged item or a paypal claim for an "item not as described" when it shows up half destroyed and you didn't insure it. i have bought, sold, packed, and shipped THOUSANDS of items- maybe tens of thousands including business and collecting. shit happens. tubes roll. doors close, conveyor belts catch things, trucks wreck, heavy crap gets piled or tossed on top of it...all sorts of shit. the more you ship, the more likely it is to happen. usps, ups, fed ex, happens with all of them.
by the way, how are you going to get them to sign for it? you have to purchase service that includes signature for the most part. insure something for more than 250 bucks and usps requires a signature, or they leave the little slip in your mailbox and you have to go pick it up in person. where they make you sign for it and show id. most of the private ground services will just leave the shit next to the person's front door if you don't purchase the extra service level.
look, i wasn't such an anal prick about all this shit until i offered the buyer insurance instead of requiring it, they declined, the item got damaged, and they filed the claim through paypal. you can forward them the buyer's refusals all you want, the item got there "not as described'. doesn't matter HOW it got not as described. it just isn't anymore. paypal sez: you lose.
but really, it wasn't until it happened to me that i changed my tune and understood why all the veterans had been saying what i'm telling you now.
i would have to say that you guys sound like you have money to burn. those sentiments make it obvious that you've never been burned by a damaged item or a paypal claim for an "item not as described" when it shows up half destroyed and you didn't insure it. i have bought, sold, packed, and shipped THOUSANDS of items- maybe tens of thousands including business and collecting. shit happens. tubes roll. doors close, conveyor belts catch things, trucks wreck, heavy crap gets piled or tossed on top of it...all sorts of shit. the more you ship, the more likely it is to happen. usps, ups, fed ex, happens with all of them.
You are right. I am not running a business (or selling tons of stuff which to me is in fact a business). But, I also wouldn't shop with a business you describe. Amazon insures everything they send to me. They don't ask for me to pay it.
No money to burn. But, $200? Really? You're going to pay $20 to insure $200 (I'm guessing at this pricing as that's what I've seen the range of)? That makes no logical risk sense. That means you think one out of 10 items will be damaged. You do a ton more than me. So, maybe that is the risk level.
Again - as you talk about higher $'s, I absolutely get it. Where's that number? As you alluded to - depends on what money you have to burn. But, $200? - you shouldn't be purchasing a piece of paper for $200 if you can't take that risk. There must be something better to spend your money on.
Now I've given a nickel - much more than anyone wants to hear from me.
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
i would have to say that you guys sound like you have money to burn. those sentiments make it obvious that you've never been burned by a damaged item or a paypal claim for an "item not as described" when it shows up half destroyed and you didn't insure it. i have bought, sold, packed, and shipped THOUSANDS of items- maybe tens of thousands including business and collecting. shit happens. tubes roll. doors close, conveyor belts catch things, trucks wreck, heavy crap gets piled or tossed on top of it...all sorts of shit. the more you ship, the more likely it is to happen. usps, ups, fed ex, happens with all of them.
You are right. I am not running a business (or selling tons of stuff which to me is in fact a business). But, I also wouldn't shop with a business you describe. Amazon insures everything they send to me. They don't ask for me to pay it.
No money to burn. But, $200? Really? You're going to pay $20 to insure $200 (I'm guessing at this pricing as that's what I've seen the range of)? That makes no logical risk sense. That means you think one out of 10 items will be damaged. You do a ton more than me. So, maybe that is the risk level.
Again - as you talk about higher $'s, I absolutely get it. Where's that number? As you alluded to - depends on what money you have to burn. But, $200? - you shouldn't be purchasing a piece of paper for $200 if you can't take that risk. There must be something better to spend your money on.
Now I've given a nickel - much more than anyone wants to hear from me.
I can only speak to my experience with Canada Post and state that when I ship a poster with the particular actual postage I charge $100 worth of insurance is included, with additional insurance sold in increments of $100 for a fee of $1 per each additional $100.
Amazon's business model is built to absorb replacement/insurance/theft/damage costs, and yes you're paying for those fees (albeit hidden in the price of any particular item). Someone selling a handful of posters every year doesn't share Amazon's business model, and realistically can't be expected to operate the same way.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
I can only speak to my experience with Canada Post and state that when I ship a poster with the particular actual postage I charge $100 worth of insurance is included, with additional insurance sold in increments of $100 for a fee of $1 per each additional $100.
Amazon's business model is built to absorb replacement/insurance/theft/damage costs, and yes you're paying for those fees (albeit hidden in the price of any particular item). Someone selling a handful of posters every year doesn't share Amazon's business model, and realistically can't be expected to operate the same way.
Interesting. So, on a $200 purchase price, you could have half of it insured with no add'l expense and then indicate it's worth the paper it's printed on. Hmmmm......
(And yes, I know for Amazon it's "included." But, I don't buy from them unless they are lowest price with that included. Which is most of the time).
EDIT: I have been part of taking this way off the rails. My bottom line - yes, it's the buyer's expense. But, reality might dictate otherwise (and I believe there are ways of mitigating that anyway).
Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
I can only speak to my experience with Canada Post and state that when I ship a poster with the particular actual postage I charge $100 worth of insurance is included, with additional insurance sold in increments of $100 for a fee of $1 per each additional $100.
Amazon's business model is built to absorb replacement/insurance/theft/damage costs, and yes you're paying for those fees (albeit hidden in the price of any particular item). Someone selling a handful of posters every year doesn't share Amazon's business model, and realistically can't be expected to operate the same way.
Interesting. So, on a $200 purchase price, you could have half of it insured with no add'l expense and then indicate it's worth the paper it's printed on. Hmmmm......
(And yes, I know for Amazon it's "included." But, I don't buy from them unless they are lowest price with that included. Which is most of the time).
Not quite.
It costs between $20-$25 depending on poster tube dimensions, actual weight, and destination for me to ship a poster with tracking, insurance, delivery confirmation, and signature required anywhere within North America and the poster tube arrives within 5 business days.
To ship the same item without any of the services above it would take anywhere between 10-15 business days and cost $15-$20 depending on poster tube dimensions, actual weight, and destination.
So the cost of insuring the 1st $100 of the item's value is priced into the more expensive and more secure form of shipment. Which makes my cost to ship a $200 poster anywhere in North America between $20-$25 plus an additional $1.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
I rarely ship uninsured. I'll do so if it's a short trip or an item packaged in such a way that an act of war would be the only way it'd be disturbed. I've had bad luck with express carriers in the past. Tubes have arrived split open with tiremarks on them.
But the simple fact remains that at the time of sale and exchange of money, if no mention was made of this import tax, then you are not responsible for it. The same goes for quoting someone a price on shipping then finding out it's actually gone up a few bucks. If there is no clear-cut communication on imposed fees, then you cannot and should not be expected to bear any additional financial responsibility.
You're providing a service/goods to someone in a country where they might otherwise be unable to obtain said item. Your country isn't the one requesting he pay the fees. His is. It'd be like telling people on an airplane that they owe more money after landing simply because the plane had to circle in the air for 45 extra minutes.
Now, if you're full of expendable income then it's a nice gesture to help cover the fees...I suppose.
The problem I see & find (from many online stores, especially a few poster artists) is that when filling out the custom slips, they don't check "gift" on the form. They check merchandise or other expenses. That's what hurts cause when these are shipped outside it's country, the country receiving the item get's money for that "merchandise". If it was check marked as "gift", it's all smooth sailing. I've done ALOT of shipping PJ & other sweet goodies (inside Canada / USA), and by experience, it's that little "gift" check mark that makes the difference worth wild. Even if you insure the item (say $100 bucks), if you still check mark "gift" that user receiving the item will still not have to pay for tax / duty etc..
All these insane taxes & duty costs story's are pretty much Europe postage service problems.
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Excellent point, and well received. It sucks that the ability for someone to scam you puts the fear in you to pay for the insurance. Tracking and delivery confirmation for sure on everything, but taking out insurance that might cause the buyer to have to come out of pocket like that would make me not want to buy at all. For the price quoted in the original post, is a deal breaker for me. If their is tracking, how can the postal carriers deny compensation?
If airlines lose your bags you get compensated, so why would this be any different. If you have a tracking # and a human has to sign for the item, and your selling it to a 10C member, I would hope that folks would act appropriately and not scam.
I suppose this only happens when merch goes from the U.S. to Europe? Sorry to hog the thread, but I am very interested in this topic, as I love collecting and trading.
i would have to say that you guys sound like you have money to burn. those sentiments make it obvious that you've never been burned by a damaged item or a paypal claim for an "item not as described" when it shows up half destroyed and you didn't insure it. i have bought, sold, packed, and shipped THOUSANDS of items- maybe tens of thousands including business and collecting. shit happens. tubes roll. doors close, conveyor belts catch things, trucks wreck, heavy crap gets piled or tossed on top of it...all sorts of shit. the more you ship, the more likely it is to happen. usps, ups, fed ex, happens with all of them.
by the way, how are you going to get them to sign for it? you have to purchase service that includes signature for the most part. insure something for more than 250 bucks and usps requires a signature, or they leave the little slip in your mailbox and you have to go pick it up in person. where they make you sign for it and show id. most of the private ground services will just leave the shit next to the person's front door if you don't purchase the extra service level.
look, i wasn't such an anal prick about all this shit until i offered the buyer insurance instead of requiring it, they declined, the item got damaged, and they filed the claim through paypal. you can forward them the buyer's refusals all you want, the item got there "not as described'. doesn't matter HOW it got not as described. it just isn't anymore. paypal sez: you lose.
but really, it wasn't until it happened to me that i changed my tune and understood why all the veterans had been saying what i'm telling you now.
ebay isn't evil people are
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You are right. I am not running a business (or selling tons of stuff which to me is in fact a business). But, I also wouldn't shop with a business you describe. Amazon insures everything they send to me. They don't ask for me to pay it.
No money to burn. But, $200? Really? You're going to pay $20 to insure $200 (I'm guessing at this pricing as that's what I've seen the range of)? That makes no logical risk sense. That means you think one out of 10 items will be damaged. You do a ton more than me. So, maybe that is the risk level.
Again - as you talk about higher $'s, I absolutely get it. Where's that number? As you alluded to - depends on what money you have to burn.
Now I've given a nickel - much more than anyone wants to hear from me.
I can only speak to my experience with Canada Post and state that when I ship a poster with the particular actual postage I charge $100 worth of insurance is included, with additional insurance sold in increments of $100 for a fee of $1 per each additional $100.
Amazon's business model is built to absorb replacement/insurance/theft/damage costs, and yes you're paying for those fees (albeit hidden in the price of any particular item). Someone selling a handful of posters every year doesn't share Amazon's business model, and realistically can't be expected to operate the same way.
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
Interesting. So, on a $200 purchase price, you could have half of it insured with no add'l expense and then indicate it's worth the paper it's printed on. Hmmmm......
(And yes, I know for Amazon it's "included." But, I don't buy from them unless they are lowest price with that included. Which is most of the time).
EDIT: I have been part of taking this way off the rails. My bottom line - yes, it's the buyer's expense. But, reality might dictate otherwise (and I believe there are ways of mitigating that anyway).
Not quite.
It costs between $20-$25 depending on poster tube dimensions, actual weight, and destination for me to ship a poster with tracking, insurance, delivery confirmation, and signature required anywhere within North America and the poster tube arrives within 5 business days.
To ship the same item without any of the services above it would take anywhere between 10-15 business days and cost $15-$20 depending on poster tube dimensions, actual weight, and destination.
So the cost of insuring the 1st $100 of the item's value is priced into the more expensive and more secure form of shipment. Which makes my cost to ship a $200 poster anywhere in North America between $20-$25 plus an additional $1.
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
But the simple fact remains that at the time of sale and exchange of money, if no mention was made of this import tax, then you are not responsible for it. The same goes for quoting someone a price on shipping then finding out it's actually gone up a few bucks. If there is no clear-cut communication on imposed fees, then you cannot and should not be expected to bear any additional financial responsibility.
You're providing a service/goods to someone in a country where they might otherwise be unable to obtain said item. Your country isn't the one requesting he pay the fees. His is. It'd be like telling people on an airplane that they owe more money after landing simply because the plane had to circle in the air for 45 extra minutes.
Now, if you're full of expendable income then it's a nice gesture to help cover the fees...I suppose.
All these insane taxes & duty costs story's are pretty much Europe postage service problems.