Lynndie England does not feel bad about Iraqi Treatment

gimmesometruth27

she did not see combat. i am wondering how many of her friends in her unit saw combat. she was a guard at a pow prison.

she is brainwashed.

she was instututionalized that the prisoners were sub human.. that is what they do in the military. they dehumanize the enemy so its easier to kill them without thought or remorse. i am guessing it is easier to torture and abuse them without remorse as well...

ComeToTX

blackredyellow wrote:

What she and the other soldiers did was stupid, harmful, vile, etc etc etc...

But... I was never in the military or in any situation remotely like that, but I can't honestly fault her for feeling that way. When you see your friends getting shot and blown up everyday, I think it would be impossible not to develop an irrational hatred for those who you view are responsible for it. And while a lot of the people in those prisons were innocently rounded up, some of them were the ones responsible for IED's and stuff like that.

The soldiers were put in a terrible position, asked to do things that were impossible to do. So many of them, years later, are still struggling to cope with the things they've seen or things they've done. I can't imagine how screwed up of a situation that they were put in for months on end.

Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld?

VivaPalestina

"It is not a mere coincidence that six business associates of JP Morgan are officials of defense leagues. And chance did not dictate that Mayor John Mitchel should appoint to his Committe of Safety a thousand men that represent a fifth of the wealth of the United States..." Strike Against War Helen Keller 1916

A century later, little has changed, Lynddie England is nothing but a willing tool to protect the interests of the one percent, so I am not surprised by her ignorant comments.

mysticweed

everything that happened at abu ghraib was transferred wholesale from guantanamo
lynndie england was a pawn and a scapegoat for the bush-cheney-rumsfeld trio comico
she was a fucking teenager
she was pregnant by a superior officer
more often than not they were on lock-down
there was no electricity
no running water

honestly, i am not for torture
and i have been a democrat since 1988
but when i first saw the pictures, i'm like wtf
panties on someone's head?
making them play with themselves then pointing and laughing - oh my
dogs barking
naked pyramids
i guess there were some worse somewhere that we didn't see

my astonishment was at the aforementioned b-c-r trio feigning shock
oh we cannot believe this kind of thing happens
please
i tried to volunteer to help England and her family when the trial was going to be at Ft Bragg
but they moved her to texas - hmmmm texas? again please

mysticweed

Godfather. wrote:

I'll bet she's out in less then 3...she is an american hero.

Godfather.

shock and awe
i don't think she should do a fucking day

Godfather.

slickweed wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

I'll bet she's out in less then 3...she is an american hero.

Godfather.

shock and awe
i don't think she should do a fucking day

:thumbup:

Godfather.

mysticweed

hi jeff
you probably didn't read my post above this
that lay everything that happened in iraq
squarely at the feet of the thief of state, gw bush
i believe she was railroaded and royally fucked by the very government for whom she was in hell to serve
afw
peace my republican friend
gayle

Byrnzie

slickweed wrote:

hi jeff
you probably didn't read my post above this
that lay everything that happened in iraq
squarely at the feet of the thief of state, gw bush
i believe she was railroaded and royally fucked by the very government for whom she was in hell to serve
afw
peace my republican friend
gayle

Would you also apply this logic to WWII and say that nobody except Hitler deserved punishment? The einsatzgruppen (execution squads) who roamed Eastern Europe murdering Jews and dumping their bodies in mass graves were all innocent of any crime simply because they happened to have superiors and obeyed orders?

Sorry, but the excuse that "I was just following orders" was dismissed at Nuremberg and holds no credibility whatsoever.

Lt. Calley should have been imprisoned for life for what he did at My Lai in Vietnam, and Lyndsey England should also be banged up for a long time.

If people who 'merely follow orders' are all innocent, then Americans should apply that same logic across the board and release every single prisoner from Guantanamo Bay and every prison in Iraq and Afghanistan today.

Or is it only American murderers and torturers who deserve this special consideration?

Meg8686

It's herd behaviour, It's evolution, baby

gimmesometruth27

Byrnzie wrote:

slickweed wrote:

hi jeff
you probably didn't read my post above this
that lay everything that happened in iraq
squarely at the feet of the thief of state, gw bush
i believe she was railroaded and royally fucked by the very government for whom she was in hell to serve
afw
peace my republican friend
gayle

Would you also apply this logic to WWII and say that nobody except Hitler deserved punishment? The einsatzgruppen (execution squads) who roamed Eastern Europe murdering Jews and dumping their bodies in mass graves were all innocent of any crime simply because they happened to have superiors and obeyed orders?

Sorry, but the excuse that "I was just following orders" was dismissed at Nuremberg and holds no credibility whatsoever.

Lt. Calley should have been imprisoned for life for what he did at My Lai in Vietnam, and Lyndsey England should also be banged up for a long time.

If people who 'merely follow orders' are all innocent, then Americans should apply that same logic across the board and release every single prisoner from Guantanamo Bay and every prison in Iraq and Afghanistan today.

Or is it only American murderers and torturers who deserve this special consideration?

american exceptionalism also translates to "above international law, and we follow all laws of society except for the ones we choose not to..."

if this case wre tried at the hague she would have gotten a real sentence, and the "following orders" defense would have been tossed right out of there..i guess you can make justice when you pull all the strings, and we pull all the strings...

mysticweed

Byrnzie wrote:

slickweed wrote:

hi jeff
you probably didn't read my post above this
that lay everything that happened in iraq
squarely at the feet of the thief of state, gw bush
i believe she was railroaded and royally fucked by the very government for whom she was in hell to serve
afw
peace my republican friend
gayle

Would you also apply this logic to WWII and say that nobody except Hitler deserved punishment? The einsatzgruppen (execution squads) who roamed Eastern Europe murdering Jews and dumping their bodies in mass graves were all innocent of any crime simply because they happened to have superiors and obeyed orders?

Sorry, but the excuse that "I was just following orders" was dismissed at Nuremberg and holds no credibility whatsoever.

Lt. Calley should have been imprisoned for life for what he did at My Lai in Vietnam, and Lyndsey England should also be banged up for a long time.

If people who 'merely follow orders' are all innocent, then Americans should apply that same logic across the board and release every single prisoner from Guantanamo Bay and every prison in Iraq and Afghanistan today.

Or is it only American murderers and torturers who deserve this special consideration?

it's hardly the same
what she did in abu ghraib and what you have described

mysticweed

slickweed wrote:

everything that happened at abu ghraib was transferred wholesale from guantanamo
lynndie england was a pawn and a scapegoat for the bush-cheney-rumsfeld trio comico
she was a fucking teenager
she was pregnant by a superior officer
more often than not they were on lock-down
there was no electricity
no running water

honestly, i am not for torture
and i have been a democrat since 1988
but when i first saw the pictures, i'm like wtf
panties on someone's head?
making them play with themselves then pointing and laughing - oh my
dogs barking
naked pyramids
i guess there were some worse somewhere that we didn't see

my astonishment was at the aforementioned b-c-r trio feigning shock
oh we cannot believe this kind of thing happens
please
i tried to volunteer to help England and her family when the trial was going to be at Ft Bragg
but they moved her to texas - hmmmm texas? again please

catefrances

of course they were trying to kill you darlin'.. you invaded their country. :roll:

Idris

"The Man behind the Hood"

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31005

It is important to understand that what Ali Shalal experienced was part of a routine process of torture, applied systematically to those arrested. Many of his companions in Abu Ghraib died as a result of torture or were executed upon their release so that they would not reveal the gruesome horrors and atrocities committed on the orders of the Bush administration.Also of significance, as confirmed by his testimony, was the fact that Israeli "civilians" were involved in assisting the US prison interrogators.

mickeyrat

Godfather. wrote:

you guys are right we should have never took prisoners......we should have smoked them right away right ?


Godfather.

we shouldnt have been there in the first fucking place. A goddamn LIAR put ALL those involved in that situation.

cincybearcat

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

attitudes like hers are one of the reasons we are hated in the arab world...

just sayin....

Yeah, pretty sure it's a bit more than just that, but hey, whatever sounds good.

gimmesometruth27

cincybearcat wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

attitudes like hers are one of the reasons we are hated in the arab world...

just sayin....

Yeah, pretty sure it's a bit more than just that, but hey, whatever sounds good.

:fp:

so it doesn't contribute?

remorseless torture of arabs holds a lot of weight in the arab world...

cincybearcat

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

attitudes like hers are one of the reasons we are hated in the arab world...

just sayin....

Yeah, pretty sure it's a bit more than just that, but hey, whatever sounds good.

:fp:

so it doesn't contribute?

remorseless torture of arabs holds a lot of weight in the arab world...

:fp:

not much. but it sure makes a good story. Plus, she is suffering from a mental condition and can't be held responsible for her actions, right?

gimmesometruth27

cincybearcat wrote:

:fp:

not much. but it sure makes a good story. Plus, she is suffering from a mental condition and can't be held responsible for her actions, right?

she is responsible for her actions.

do you remember what the arab response was when the abuse scandal broke?

cincybearcat

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

:fp:

not much. but it sure makes a good story. Plus, she is suffering from a mental condition and can't be held responsible for her actions, right?

she is responsible for her actions.

do you remember what the arab response was when the abuse scandal broke?

Yep, just an excuse to do what they wanted anyhow.

Look, I'm not saying it's good, but this is hardly a big deal compared to the real issues. It's a symptom though, on both sides.