Lynndie England does not feel bad about Iraqi Treatment
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apparently england has not learned anything...
Lynndie England, jailed for Abu Ghraib abuses, says she doesn't feel bad about how Iraqis were treated
Lynndie England, who became the face of U.S. military abuses overseas for her role in the Abu Ghraib scandal, says she doesn’t feel bad for detainees who were subjected to torture.
“Their lives are better. They got the better end of the deal,” England told The Daily, a news publication for the iPad, from her home in Fort Ashby, W. Va. “They weren’t innocent. They’re trying to kill us, and you want me to apologize to them? It’s like saying sorry to the enemy.”
England was sentenced to three years behind bars for her role in the abuse scandal.
She appeared in several of the best-known photos taken by U.S. guards at Abu Ghraib, including one image in which she held a naked prisoner on a leash; in others, she posed with a pyramid of naked detainees and pointed at one man’s genitals while a cigarette hung from the corner of her mouth.
At her trial,England said she appeared in the photos at the behest of Pvt. Charles Graner Jr., who she said took advantage of her love and trust while they were deployed in Iraq.
According to the Daily, England lives with her parents, is unemployed, has suffered from PTSD symptoms and is haunted by her past. She told the news publication that Graner has refused to acknowledge their 7-year-old son, even though his paternity was proved in 2009.
The 29-year-old added that she was troubled by the fear that her actions may have caused the death of members of the U.S. military. "That’s something that falls on my head,” she told The Daily. “I think about it all the time — indirect deaths that were my fault. Losing people on our side because of me coming out on a picture.”
Lynndie England, jailed for Abu Ghraib abuses, says she doesn't feel bad about how Iraqis were treated
Lynndie England, who became the face of U.S. military abuses overseas for her role in the Abu Ghraib scandal, says she doesn’t feel bad for detainees who were subjected to torture.
“Their lives are better. They got the better end of the deal,” England told The Daily, a news publication for the iPad, from her home in Fort Ashby, W. Va. “They weren’t innocent. They’re trying to kill us, and you want me to apologize to them? It’s like saying sorry to the enemy.”
England was sentenced to three years behind bars for her role in the abuse scandal.
She appeared in several of the best-known photos taken by U.S. guards at Abu Ghraib, including one image in which she held a naked prisoner on a leash; in others, she posed with a pyramid of naked detainees and pointed at one man’s genitals while a cigarette hung from the corner of her mouth.
At her trial,England said she appeared in the photos at the behest of Pvt. Charles Graner Jr., who she said took advantage of her love and trust while they were deployed in Iraq.
According to the Daily, England lives with her parents, is unemployed, has suffered from PTSD symptoms and is haunted by her past. She told the news publication that Graner has refused to acknowledge their 7-year-old son, even though his paternity was proved in 2009.
The 29-year-old added that she was troubled by the fear that her actions may have caused the death of members of the U.S. military. "That’s something that falls on my head,” she told The Daily. “I think about it all the time — indirect deaths that were my fault. Losing people on our side because of me coming out on a picture.”
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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Godfather.
just sayin....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I was against the war, and I find how we treated prisoners of war sickening. But you have seen how they treat our guys when captured right?
This is nothing compared to that. I'm not saying that to defend what happened to these men at all, I just don't like the notion that they wouldn't treat our men and heaven forbid our women the same.
There are atrocities and injustices happening on both sides in this fucked up situation.
Again, let me say, I am not defending or agreeing with her at all. I think she's despicable.
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
Godfather.
abu ghraib is a black eye on our military and our government and i am really pissed off about what occurred there.
as someone said earlier, we were supposed to be the good guys in this. we should sure as fuck have acted like it. we should have actually been the example that we portray ourselves to be and we claim to the rest of the world to be. instead we were no better than those that we claim as enemies.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
a) Treat prisoners humanely
b) Stop pretending to be the good guy
"To question your government is not unpatriotic --
to not question your government is unpatriotic."
-- Sen. Chuck Hagel
no ... i noticed your disclaimer in your post ...
are those really our only two options?
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
'Lynndie England' apparently feels she did nothing wrong...Why should she apologize? I bet in her mind she thinks that the people she abused should be the ones apologizing to her, 'left and right'.
3 years? What a joke, people spend more time in jail for non violent weed related crimes. But it's not even just about time spent locked up, rather the amount (if any) of rehabilitation one receives while 'away'. Just locking people up tends to be a waste and rarely (I feel) corrects any problems, at least not at their 'cores' which is where it starts.
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'People say the world is spinning around, some others say that it's upside down'..."It's upside down"
Godfather.
Absolutely.
How sad and sickening that she's not embarrassed or apologetic by her actions. Those photos are etched on so many people's brains and for a long time to come.
Wow. You support torture and the abuse of prisoners. Class.
But... I was never in the military or in any situation remotely like that, but I can't honestly fault her for feeling that way. When you see your friends getting shot and blown up everyday, I think it would be impossible not to develop an irrational hatred for those who you view are responsible for it. And while a lot of the people in those prisons were innocently rounded up, some of them were the ones responsible for IED's and stuff like that.
The soldiers were put in a terrible position, asked to do things that were impossible to do. So many of them, years later, are still struggling to cope with the things they've seen or things they've done. I can't imagine how screwed up of a situation that they were put in for months on end.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
Those are good points and I can agree with you to a degree, but these people signed up for the military full well knowing the possibilities. And with that, they are representatives of the USA. This caused major backlash and had the potential to hurt the US immediately and potentially in the future. it causes more hate towards the US and likely perpetuates future disdain. It was sheer stupidity and lack of professionalism. Again, if you're gonna do that shit.. don't pose for a damned photo!
Also, I know there are some less than intelligent people in the military, but where were the people in charge? there were several people doing these terrible things at that prison. Nobody stepped in and said it was wrong? or at least suggested they put away the camera?!
its good to look at it form your other perspective though. But I cant let that justify how stupid this was...and how embarrassing I felt as an American when I saw those photos.
That is a key point, I think. Granted, everyone should "know better", but the higher ranking people should have had more control over it.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
she is brainwashed.
she was instututionalized that the prisoners were sub human.. that is what they do in the military. they dehumanize the enemy so its easier to kill them without thought or remorse. i am guessing it is easier to torture and abuse them without remorse as well...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld?
A century later, little has changed, Lynddie England is nothing but a willing tool to protect the interests of the one percent, so I am not surprised by her ignorant comments.
lynndie england was a pawn and a scapegoat for the bush-cheney-rumsfeld trio comico
she was a fucking teenager
she was pregnant by a superior officer
more often than not they were on lock-down
there was no electricity
no running water
honestly, i am not for torture
and i have been a democrat since 1988
but when i first saw the pictures, i'm like wtf
panties on someone's head?
making them play with themselves then pointing and laughing - oh my
dogs barking
naked pyramids
i guess there were some worse somewhere that we didn't see
my astonishment was at the aforementioned b-c-r trio feigning shock
oh we cannot believe this kind of thing happens
please
i tried to volunteer to help England and her family when the trial was going to be at Ft Bragg
but they moved her to texas - hmmmm texas? again please
"what a long, strange trip it's been"
shock and awe
i don't think she should do a fucking day
"what a long, strange trip it's been"
:thumbup:
Godfather.
you probably didn't read my post above this
that lay everything that happened in iraq
squarely at the feet of the thief of state, gw bush
i believe she was railroaded and royally fucked by the very government for whom she was in hell to serve
afw
peace my republican friend
gayle
"what a long, strange trip it's been"
Would you also apply this logic to WWII and say that nobody except Hitler deserved punishment? The einsatzgruppen (execution squads) who roamed Eastern Europe murdering Jews and dumping their bodies in mass graves were all innocent of any crime simply because they happened to have superiors and obeyed orders?
Sorry, but the excuse that "I was just following orders" was dismissed at Nuremberg and holds no credibility whatsoever.
Lt. Calley should have been imprisoned for life for what he did at My Lai in Vietnam, and Lyndsey England should also be banged up for a long time.
If people who 'merely follow orders' are all innocent, then Americans should apply that same logic across the board and release every single prisoner from Guantanamo Bay and every prison in Iraq and Afghanistan today.
Or is it only American murderers and torturers who deserve this special consideration?
if this case wre tried at the hague she would have gotten a real sentence, and the "following orders" defense would have been tossed right out of there..i guess you can make justice when you pull all the strings, and we pull all the strings...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."