What Have We Done To Iraq?

Byrnzie
Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
edited March 2012 in A Moving Train
I just caught myself reading this article headline about halfway down on the Guardian's page and then moving on to the next article headline below it, but then stopped myself and backtracked.


Scores killed in Iraq bombings
Car and roadside bombs explode across country, killing nearly 50 people and wounding 200


Is this what it's come to in Iraq? Is the legacy that we've left in that country one where 50 people being destroyed by bombs is something we now consider as normal as the sun rising every morning, or as innocuous and matter-of-fact as the days weather report?

The thought that crossed my mind after skimming over the above headline was 'What would the reaction be if 50 people had been blown to pieces in any other country...a European country, for example? It would be headline news and we'd be chattering about it and mourning it for weeks. But because it happened in Iraq we don't pay it any attention.

Some legacy we've left those people!
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  • drinkbigredinstead
    drinkbigredinstead Posts: 2,240
    So many lives were lost there and it seems to be worse than before for the civilian population.

    Such a sad state our world is in.
  • ryph raph
    ryph raph Posts: 887
    Thank you very much bush, cheney, and rumsfeld. We just had to go there.
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  • mookieb10
    mookieb10 Posts: 930
    Better to have 50 die in a bombing than 1000's die in a Genocide. That's my opinion.
  • CAVSTARR313
    CAVSTARR313 Posts: 8,756
    Who is planting/has left those roadside bombs? americans?

    I don't know what article you read and I am a staunch anti-war american..
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  • conman
    conman Posts: 7,493
    did the same thing happen during other wars?

    i would think that after seeing this shit on the news over and over again people would just get used to it..
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    mookieb10 wrote:
    Better to have 50 die in a bombing than 1000's die in a Genocide. That's my opinion.
    You seem to be inferring that somehow, someone (I'm assuming the US, of course), has prevented a genocide in Iraq....? How's that?
  • catefrances
    catefrances Posts: 29,003
    conman wrote:
    did the same thing happen during other wars?

    i would think that after seeing this shit on the news over and over again people would just get used to it..


    but we should NEVER just get used to it. the invasion of iraq was a heinous act and for what? saddam hussein could have been removed by other means. and now of course as per usual its the people who bear the brunt of the aftermath.
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  • mookieb10
    mookieb10 Posts: 930
    Drowned Out wrote:
    mookieb10 wrote:
    Better to have 50 die in a bombing than 1000's die in a Genocide. That's my opinion.
    You seem to be inferring that somehow, someone (I'm assuming the US, of course), has prevented a genocide in Iraq....? How's that?

    Is this a joke? To draw a simple connection, the US captured Saadam Housein, Saadam Housein engaged in the killing of, depending on your estimates, 1,000,000 iraqis during his reign of terror. Housein is in a elite group of scum who have murdered a million people. How would you respond to the very question you asked me?
  • conman
    conman Posts: 7,493
    catefrances wrote:
    conman wrote:
    did the same thing happen during other wars?

    i would think that after seeing this shit on the news over and over again people would just get used to it..


    but we should NEVER just get used to it. the invasion of iraq was a heinous act and for what? saddam hussein could have been removed by other means. and now of course as per usual its the people who bear the brunt of the aftermath.
    i should have left that second part out, i was just curious if the media coverage was the same for past wars
  • CAVSTARR313
    CAVSTARR313 Posts: 8,756
    Caveeze wrote:
    Who is planting/has left those roadside bombs? americans?

    I don't know what article you read and I am a staunch anti-war american..
    nobody has answered my question.. :(
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  • mookieb10
    mookieb10 Posts: 930
    Caveeze wrote:
    Caveeze wrote:
    Who is planting/has left those roadside bombs? americans?

    I don't know what article you read and I am a staunch anti-war american..
    nobody has answered my question.. :(

    It wont be answered. A simple corelation/causation fallacy. The us was in iraq therefore they cause a roadside bombing... Yea, because there was never any violence in Iraq before the US stepped foot there.
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    edited March 2012
    mookieb10 wrote:
    Drowned Out wrote:
    mookieb10 wrote:
    Better to have 50 die in a bombing than 1000's die in a Genocide. That's my opinion.
    You seem to be inferring that somehow, someone (I'm assuming the US, of course), has prevented a genocide in Iraq....? How's that?

    Is this a joke? To draw a simple connection, the US captured Saadam Housein, Saadam Housein engaged in the killing of, depending on your estimates, 1,000,000 iraqis during his reign of terror. Housein is in a elite group of scum who have murdered a million people. How would you respond to the very question you asked me?
    I would respond without even disputing the figures or the term genocide (tho they're both debateable), and start by pointing out that Hussein's military was already gutted, and when it WAS powerful, and doing it's most killing, it was with US backing......then I'd say that killing a million more thru bombings and sanctions only destabilized the country....then I'd say that I have a hard time taking your opinion of US policy in Iraq seriously when you repeatedly misspell the name of the central figure.
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  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    Caveeze wrote:
    Caveeze wrote:
    Who is planting/has left those roadside bombs? americans?

    I don't know what article you read and I am a staunch anti-war american..
    nobody has answered my question.. :(

    Those bombings weren't happening before the American invasion that basically tore apart the shiites and sunnis. So no matter how you dice it, the Americans have caused the bombings.
  • CAVSTARR313
    CAVSTARR313 Posts: 8,756
    brandon10 wrote:
    Caveeze wrote:
    Caveeze wrote:
    Who is planting/has left those roadside bombs? americans?

    I don't know what article you read and I am a staunch anti-war american..
    nobody has answered my question.. :(

    Those bombings weren't happening before the American invasion that basically tore apart the shiites and sunnis. So no matter how you dice it, the Americans have caused the bombings.
    Most respectfully, I am sure you have never left a roadside bomb in Iraq.. I find it funny that anyone who hasn't left a roadside bomb in Iraq can get into the head of someone who has..

    Maybe they planted a roadside bomb to kill american troops.. and they obviously had no regard for the fact that this roadside bomb may not explode in the timely fashion to kill american troops.. they had no regard for the fact that maybe their roadside bomb sucks! and it may go off at a later date, killing people that they never intended to kill.. The responsibility then falls on the person that laid the bomb...

    I hate the fact that we were ever over there.. I always will

    but we cant be blamed for every individual action..
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  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    Bombings are going off all the time. And religious groups within Iraq are taking responsibility for them. It is Shia attacking Sunni and vice versa. It has nothing to do with bombs being left behind and going off by accident. We created a huge power vacuum between differing Muslim religions within Iraq. If you don't understand that, you do not belong posting in this thread, unless you are here to learn something. We are fully to blame...
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    mookieb10 wrote:
    Better to have 50 die in a bombing than 1000's die in a Genocide. That's my opinion.

    And what genocide are you referring to here?
  • CAVSTARR313
    CAVSTARR313 Posts: 8,756
    brandon10 wrote:
    Bombings are going off all the time. And religious groups within Iraq are taking responsibility for them. It is Shia attacking Sunni and vice versa. It has nothing to do with bombs being left behind and going off by accident. We created a huge power vacuum between differing Muslim religions within Iraq. If you don't understand that, you do not belong posting in this thread unless you are here to learn something. We are fully to blame...
    so again. and as always, most respectfully... you have clearly stated that it is not americans leaving these bombs, setting of these bombs, and bombing these people..

    But don't you realize that there is personal responsibility in EVERY action? and yes, I am talking about the person that laid the bomb... PEOPLE do this.. wether they blame it, or you blame it on the american invasion of Iraq, a person still did this.. a person who has no regard for human life... a person who would sacrifice human life for political or monetary benefit..

    We had no reason to be there, and we must answer for the crimes we participated in.. but to take on the responsibility for a human or humans who have no direct affiliation with us (or me) seems odd..

    just my thought at this moment..
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  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Caveeze wrote:
    Who is planting/has left those roadside bombs? americans?

    Maybe Al-Qaeda, or maybe Muslim extremists. Why? Do you really think Americans can just wash their hands of any responsibility for these atrocities? There was no Al-Qaeda in Iraq before the U.S tore the country apart.
  • Byrnzie
    Byrnzie Posts: 21,037
    mookieb10 wrote:
    Saadam Housein engaged in the killing of, depending on your estimates, 1,000,000 iraqis during his reign of terror.

    No he didn't.
  • brandon10
    brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    Caveeze wrote:
    brandon10 wrote:
    Bombings are going off all the time. And religious groups within Iraq are taking responsibility for them. It is Shia attacking Sunni and vice versa. It has nothing to do with bombs being left behind and going off by accident. We created a huge power vacuum between differing Muslim religions within Iraq. If you don't understand that, you do not belong posting in this thread unless you are here to learn something. We are fully to blame...
    so again. and as always, most respectfully... you have clearly stated that it is not americans leaving these bombs, setting of these bombs, and bombing these people..

    But don't you realize that there is personal responsibility in EVERY action? and yes, I am talking about the person that laid the bomb... PEOPLE do this.. wether they blame it, or you blame it on the american invasion of Iraq, a person still did this.. a person who has no regard for human life... a person who would sacrifice human life for political or monetary benefit..

    We had no reason to be there, and we must answer for the crimes we participated in.. but to take on the responsibility for a human or humans who have no direct affiliation with us (or me) seems odd..

    just my thought at this moment..

    If I was a principle at a school with a classroom full of violent children that hated each other and that classroom had a teacher keeping the peace (albeit with a stick the teacher used to beat the kids when they acted out) and I went and took the teacher out and gave all the students guns and knives, do you think I'd be at all responsible for what happened between those children?

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