What Have We Done To Iraq?
Byrnzie
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I just caught myself reading this article headline about halfway down on the Guardian's page and then moving on to the next article headline below it, but then stopped myself and backtracked.
Scores killed in Iraq bombings
Car and roadside bombs explode across country, killing nearly 50 people and wounding 200
Is this what it's come to in Iraq? Is the legacy that we've left in that country one where 50 people being destroyed by bombs is something we now consider as normal as the sun rising every morning, or as innocuous and matter-of-fact as the days weather report?
The thought that crossed my mind after skimming over the above headline was 'What would the reaction be if 50 people had been blown to pieces in any other country...a European country, for example? It would be headline news and we'd be chattering about it and mourning it for weeks. But because it happened in Iraq we don't pay it any attention.
Some legacy we've left those people!
Scores killed in Iraq bombings
Car and roadside bombs explode across country, killing nearly 50 people and wounding 200
Is this what it's come to in Iraq? Is the legacy that we've left in that country one where 50 people being destroyed by bombs is something we now consider as normal as the sun rising every morning, or as innocuous and matter-of-fact as the days weather report?
The thought that crossed my mind after skimming over the above headline was 'What would the reaction be if 50 people had been blown to pieces in any other country...a European country, for example? It would be headline news and we'd be chattering about it and mourning it for weeks. But because it happened in Iraq we don't pay it any attention.
Some legacy we've left those people!
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Such a sad state our world is in.
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I don't know what article you read and I am a staunch anti-war american..
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i would think that after seeing this shit on the news over and over again people would just get used to it..
but we should NEVER just get used to it. the invasion of iraq was a heinous act and for what? saddam hussein could have been removed by other means. and now of course as per usual its the people who bear the brunt of the aftermath.
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Is this a joke? To draw a simple connection, the US captured Saadam Housein, Saadam Housein engaged in the killing of, depending on your estimates, 1,000,000 iraqis during his reign of terror. Housein is in a elite group of scum who have murdered a million people. How would you respond to the very question you asked me?
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It wont be answered. A simple corelation/causation fallacy. The us was in iraq therefore they cause a roadside bombing... Yea, because there was never any violence in Iraq before the US stepped foot there.
Those bombings weren't happening before the American invasion that basically tore apart the shiites and sunnis. So no matter how you dice it, the Americans have caused the bombings.
Maybe they planted a roadside bomb to kill american troops.. and they obviously had no regard for the fact that this roadside bomb may not explode in the timely fashion to kill american troops.. they had no regard for the fact that maybe their roadside bomb sucks! and it may go off at a later date, killing people that they never intended to kill.. The responsibility then falls on the person that laid the bomb...
I hate the fact that we were ever over there.. I always will
but we cant be blamed for every individual action..
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And what genocide are you referring to here?
But don't you realize that there is personal responsibility in EVERY action? and yes, I am talking about the person that laid the bomb... PEOPLE do this.. wether they blame it, or you blame it on the american invasion of Iraq, a person still did this.. a person who has no regard for human life... a person who would sacrifice human life for political or monetary benefit..
We had no reason to be there, and we must answer for the crimes we participated in.. but to take on the responsibility for a human or humans who have no direct affiliation with us (or me) seems odd..
just my thought at this moment..
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Maybe Al-Qaeda, or maybe Muslim extremists. Why? Do you really think Americans can just wash their hands of any responsibility for these atrocities? There was no Al-Qaeda in Iraq before the U.S tore the country apart.
No he didn't.
If I was a principle at a school with a classroom full of violent children that hated each other and that classroom had a teacher keeping the peace (albeit with a stick the teacher used to beat the kids when they acted out) and I went and took the teacher out and gave all the students guns and knives, do you think I'd be at all responsible for what happened between those children?
Or....maybe we're not talking about roadside bombs here at all. Maybe what we're actually discussing are the daily bombings of police recruiting stations, and market places, e.t.c, by people planting explosive devices, and also by suicide bombers.
What's with your fixation on roadside bombs?
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In that case, you must have been strongly opposed to both the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq on the grounds that the terrorists responsible for 9/11 all died when their planes hit the Twin Towers and the Pentagon, right?
Oh, and you can cut it with the Caps Lock bullshit.
just speaking about something I believe in.. Personal Responsibly.. No matter the political climate.. or the group you hide behind.. a person is still responsible for their actions!! why doesn't anyone see this?
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We do see it, but it ignores the bigger picture. People do not exist within a vacuum. They are effected and influenced by events in the World around them.
But according to your logic the only person responsible is the one pulling the trigger. Therefore Hitler was innocent.
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well, then that is what I believe to be the main decease.. change happens a person at a time.. one belief at a time.. and no other way..
I would never kill someone in the name of political or monetary gain... period..
you can blame all you want, but the fact remains that people do this shit.. and until people change, this will always happen.. I have have changed.. and I will never place blame for my actions on another.. or a "political" belief..
Personal responsibility!!! it is a wild thought...
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