Trayvon Martin

bigdvs

JimmyV wrote:

No, YOU say they were further inciting racial tensions without a single shred of proof that is/was the case. One of their functions is to be on the ground when protest marches occur so that they can be in position to prevent violence from occurring. Was there racial violence in Sanford? Rioting? It may still be to come but as of now you are making baseless accusations.

The right wing media machine spins on...

its gotta keep up with the crap coming out from the progs

Last-12-Exit

Jason P wrote:

If you are being tried for 2nd degree murder, can you still get convicted for manslaugter?

From what I've heard he can. I thought that if you are acquitted of 2nd degree murder that you couldnt get manslaughter for the same case under double jeopardy. But I'm not an attorney.

Blockhead

vant0037 wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/07/10/newly-released-documents-detail-the-department-of-justices-role-in-organizing-trayvon-martin-protests/

You were saying...

Boy that looks official, and from an unbiased, reputable source like "pjmedia.com" too. Cool. Case closed then.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/10/justic...ive/index.html

(CNN) -- The George Zimmerman investigation was hijacked "in a number of ways" by outside forces, said the former police chief of Sanford, Florida.

Bill Lee, who testified Monday in Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial, told CNN's George Howell in an exclusive interview that he felt pressure from city officials to arrest Zimmerman to placate the public rather than as a matter of justice.

"It was (relayed) to me that they just wanted an arrest. They didn't care if it got dismissed later," he said. "You don't do that."

When Sanford police arrived on the scene on February 26, 2012, after Zimmerman fatally shot unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, they conducted a "sound" investigation, and the evidence provided no probable cause to arrest Zimmerman at the scene, he said.

vant0037

Blockhead wrote:

vant0037 wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/07/10/newly-released-documents-detail-the-department-of-justices-role-in-organizing-trayvon-martin-protests/

You were saying...

Boy that looks official, and from an unbiased, reputable source like "pjmedia.com" too. Cool. Case closed then.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/10/justic...ive/index.html

(CNN) -- The George Zimmerman investigation was hijacked "in a number of ways" by outside forces, said the former police chief of Sanford, Florida.

Bill Lee, who testified Monday in Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial, told CNN's George Howell in an exclusive interview that he felt pressure from city officials to arrest Zimmerman to placate the public rather than as a matter of justice.

"It was (relayed) to me that they just wanted an arrest. They didn't care if it got dismissed later," he said. "You don't do that."

When Sanford police arrived on the scene on February 26, 2012, after Zimmerman fatally shot unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, they conducted a "sound" investigation, and the evidence provided no probable cause to arrest Zimmerman at the scene, he said.

Interesting that you stop there and neglect this little nugget. "It was a matter of protocol, Lee said. Arresting Zimmerman based on the evidence at hand would have been a violation of Zimmerman's Fourth Amendment rights, he said. Thus, the Sanford police presented a "capias request" to the state's attorney, asking that the prosecutor determine whether it was a "justifiable homicide," issue a warrant for arrest or present the case to a grand jury."

Probable cause for many charges, especially murder, is very rarely determined at the scene.

Keep trying.

gimmesometruth27

vant0037 wrote:

Interesting that you stop there and neglect this little nugget. "It was a matter of protocol, Lee said. Arresting Zimmerman based on the evidence at hand would have been a violation of Zimmerman's Fourth Amendment rights, he said. Thus, the Sanford police presented a "capias request" to the state's attorney, asking that the prosecutor determine whether it was a "justifiable homicide," issue a warrant for arrest or present the case to a grand jury."

Probable cause for many charges, especially murder, is very rarely determined at the scene.

Keep trying.

norm

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

vant0037 wrote:

Interesting that you stop there and neglect this little nugget. "It was a matter of protocol, Lee said. Arresting Zimmerman based on the evidence at hand would have been a violation of Zimmerman's Fourth Amendment rights, he said. Thus, the Sanford police presented a "capias request" to the state's attorney, asking that the prosecutor determine whether it was a "justifiable homicide," issue a warrant for arrest or present the case to a grand jury."

Probable cause for many charges, especially murder, is very rarely determined at the scene.

Keep trying.

yep

thanks vant for your expertise on this

callen

Blockhead wrote:

vant0037 wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/07/10/newly-released-documents-detail-the-department-of-justices-role-in-organizing-trayvon-martin-protests/

You were saying...

Boy that looks official, and from an unbiased, reputable source like "pjmedia.com" too. Cool. Case closed then.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/10/justic...ive/index.html

(CNN) -- The George Zimmerman investigation was hijacked "in a number of ways" by outside forces, said the former police chief of Sanford, Florida.

Bill Lee, who testified Monday in Zimmerman's second-degree murder trial, told CNN's George Howell in an exclusive interview that he felt pressure from city officials to arrest Zimmerman to placate the public rather than as a matter of justice.

"It was (relayed) to me that they just wanted an arrest. They didn't care if it got dismissed later," he said. "You don't do that."

When Sanford police arrived on the scene on February 26, 2012, after Zimmerman fatally shot unarmed 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, they conducted a "sound" investigation, and the evidence provided no probable cause to arrest Zimmerman at the scene, he said.

Remember when this happened and how outside forces did push locals to press charges. BUT this does not mean it wasn't warranted. Zimmerman acted like a cop and a young man is dead because he did this. Charges needed to be filed.

JonnyPistachio

So, does anyone know when it will be over? I hear that the defense rests...

Planning my hide out...

gimmesometruth27

JonnyPistachio wrote:

So, does anyone know when it will be over? I hear that the defense rests...

Planning my hide out...

closing arguments today. jury could get the case tomorrow.

Blockhead

LOL
So, for the whole trial prosecution was pushing different charges than they do on the final day?
This trial is a JOKE

Blockhead

Is anybody actually watching this live???
Judge wants a law that says something is legal before telling the jury it's legal?

Edit... Judge pretty much saying she's throwing the case in favor of the state so they can appeal because she doesn't want the pressure of GM's innocence. so obvious

JonnyPistachio

Blockhead wrote:

LOL
So, for the whole trial prosecution was pushing different charges than they do on the final day?
This trial is a JOKE

Do you think if this happened PRE-Stand your ground law, that it should still be a case for the courts?

Jason P

The prosecution want to have the verdict based on child abuse on the last day of the trial.

Florida never disappoints.

They should just save taxpayers time and money and get a wheel of fortune with random judgements.

ajedigecko

Jason P wrote:

The prosecution want to have the verdict based on child abuse on the last day of the trial.

Florida never disappoints.

They should just save taxpayers time and money and get a wheel of fortune with random judgements.

This is an accurate statement.

JimmyV

Jason P wrote:

The prosecution want to have the verdict based on child abuse on the last day of the trial.

Florida never disappoints.

They should just save taxpayers time and money and get a wheel of fortune with random judgements.

Could probably handle their elections that way too.

ajedigecko

It would be interesting to hear the backroom deals being made - in order to do what is best for society.

Who cares about GZ.

JimmyV

ajedigecko wrote:

It would be interesting to hear the backroom deals being made - in order to do what is best for society.

Who cares about GZ.

Not sure a backroom deal is even possible in a jury trial. Unless of course Zimmerman himself decides to cop a plea...

ajedigecko

JimmyV wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

It would be interesting to hear the backroom deals being made - in order to do what is best for society.

Who cares about GZ.

Not sure a backroom deal is even possible in a jury trial. Unless of course Zimmerman himself decides to cop a plea...

I agree... I also think the justice procdures are being re created as this unfolds.

Godfather.

sounds like a linch mob is in the court room.


Godfather.

ajedigecko

Godfather. wrote:

sounds like a linch mob is in the court room.


Godfather.

Indeed..."media" lynched zimmerman when he defended himself.


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7qfkRTC5gF ... fkRTC5gF4#