Trayvon Martin

RW81233

what trayvon knew about the etymology of the term cracker has little to do with what the article is about. it is about the fact that the terms "cracker" and "nigger" come from white supremacists, and that the former has not been used by blacks in the same way that the latter has been used by whites. yes zimmerman is "part" mexican (whatever that means), and yes he did hunt down trayvon, shot him through the heart, and watched him die in 1-10 minutes as he bleed out. trayvon did not get what was coming to him, he was murdered in cold blood and it's pretty clear from the evidence. i hope there are non-violent protests if zimmerman gets off because that would be a proper response.

otter

RW81233 wrote:

what trayvon knew about the etymology of the term cracker has little to do with what the article is about. it is about the fact that the terms "cracker" and "nigger" come from white supremacists, and that the former has not been used by blacks in the same way that the latter has been used by whites. yes zimmerman is "part" mexican (whatever that means), and yes he did hunt down trayvon, shot him through the heart, and watched him die in 1-10 minutes as he bleed out. trayvon did not get what was coming to him, he was murdered in cold blood and it's pretty clear from the evidence. i hope there are non-violent protests if zimmerman gets off because that would be a proper response.

Fuck protests! Go occupy your nearest church and pray that peace, love, and understanding beats racism, division, and this new idea that a different oppinion must be squashed. The new democrats have developed this inexcusable tactic of stating fantasy developed in their own mind as indisputable fact. Every argument that the Obama democrats make are infused with a certainty that disallows an argument from anyone or anything dispite the facts. The "n" word is used by blacks in a multitude of ways; the "c" word is used by black people too but only in a derogatory way.

Zimmerman is of Peruvian decent because his mom was born there, Martin was 100% American. Zimmerman's skin colour is lighter than Martin's; get over it and zip it. Zimmerman's neighbor was robbed in the middle of the day. He was the neighborhood watch guy. He was watching his 'hood. He saw a suspicious guy and called the cops. That is what he should have done. Why didn't Trayvon Martin wave his hand and say "hi" to the dude watching him?

Cold blood? Get real. Martin beat the shit out of Zimmerman. The first punch could have been the only punch. If Trayvon was the one screaming the word "gun" would have been repeated over and over. The one screaming was getting a serious beat down. Trayvon let inner demons control his actions that night. If he would have followed his heart and sought peace, love and understanding Zimmerman wouldn't have put a bullet through it.

otter

The only thing I can't understand about this entire thing is why Trayvon's mom and dad are saying it was their son on that 911 recording. It is clearly not. What could they possibly gain from saying this? Wouldnt they feel worse if an innocent persons life is over too? This I don't get.

Smellyman

otter wrote:

The only thing I can't understand about this entire thing is why Trayvon's mom and dad are saying it was their son on that 911 recording. It is clearly not. What could they possibly gain from saying this? Wouldnt they feel worse if an innocent persons life is over too? This I don't get.

I have long since stopped following the case, but how would you know what his voice sounds like over his parents?

Last-12-Exit

RW81233 wrote:

what trayvon knew about the etymology of the term cracker has little to do with what the article is about. it is about the fact that the terms "cracker" and "nigger" come from white supremacists, and that the former has not been used by blacks in the same way that the latter has been used by whites. yes zimmerman is "part" mexican (whatever that means), and yes he did hunt down trayvon, shot him through the heart, and watched him die in 1-10 minutes as he bleed out. trayvon did not get what was coming to him, he was murdered in cold blood and it's pretty clear from the evidence. i hope there are non-violent protests if zimmerman gets off because that would be a proper response.

What evidence shows he was hunted down?

callen

Last-12-Exit wrote:

RW81233 wrote:

what trayvon knew about the etymology of the term cracker has little to do with what the article is about. it is about the fact that the terms "cracker" and "nigger" come from white supremacists, and that the former has not been used by blacks in the same way that the latter has been used by whites. yes zimmerman is "part" mexican (whatever that means), and yes he did hunt down trayvon, shot him through the heart, and watched him die in 1-10 minutes as he bleed out. trayvon did not get what was coming to him, he was murdered in cold blood and it's pretty clear from the evidence. i hope there are non-violent protests if zimmerman gets off because that would be a proper response.

What evidence shows he was hunted down?

Trayvon was on public property, walking with soda and candy, doing nothing illegal and some paranoid idiot with a gun ["surprise surprise" (Gomer Pile voioce)] went to rid the neighborhood of "Evil" (Dr Evil voice). Police dispatcher told him to stop following him but he continued to "hunt him down".

Zimerman's solely responsible for Trayvon being dead. Did Zimmerman get his ass kicked and did he use gun to prevent further being injured???..likely..but he initiated this confrontation and if some jerk was following me and questioning my intentions while walking down the street..I'd tell him to fk off as well.

callen

CROJAM95 wrote:

Never seen someone get so fat on prison food

Dude is guilty... He's nervous, if it went down the way he said nothing to worry bout

He ain't John Gotti eating prosciutto and cheeses in the can, he's scarfing down slop


In all seriousness he's a pussy

T..maybe getting fat, pudgy and looking out of shape is a defense strategy.

JonnyPistachio

otter wrote:

The only thing I can't understand about this entire thing is why Trayvon's mom and dad are saying it was their son on that 911 recording. It is clearly not. What could they possibly gain from saying this? Wouldnt they feel worse if an innocent persons life is over too? This I don't get.

I have no idea who it was on that tape. But its not "clear" in either direction.

What I do question is that Zimmerman said Trayvon said "You're going to die tonight," and went for the gun, thats the moment that Zimmerman shot him dead. With all that screaming, I dont see how he heard Trayvon say that. :?

gimmesometruth27

JonnyPistachio wrote:

otter wrote:

The only thing I can't understand about this entire thing is why Trayvon's mom and dad are saying it was their son on that 911 recording. It is clearly not. What could they possibly gain from saying this? Wouldnt they feel worse if an innocent persons life is over too? This I don't get.

I have no idea who it was on that tape. But its not "clear" in either direction.

What I do question is that Zimmerman said Trayvon said "You're going to die tonight," and went for the gun, thats the moment that Zimmerman shot him dead. With all that screaming, I dont see how he heard Trayvon say that. :?

who in their right mind would say "you are going to die tonight" in a fight for your life?? as i said earlier in the thread i have been in several mma fights, and you are not talking in the middle of a fight.. i think this is something zimmerman made up for dramatic effect.

if the gun was holstered in zimmerman's back right side and he is flat on his back, how does he or trayvon unholster the gun? does not seem plausible to me.

Its Evolution Baby

I think anyone who is defending Zimmerman finds it easy to imagine being in Zimmerman's shoes but there is NO WAY you are imagining this from Martin's shoes.

Here is a kid walking through a neighborhood where demographically it sounds like he's one of a handful of minorites. It is the South where if there is still racisim it resides here. He notices he's being followed by a White Male (doesn't matter that he's half hispanic at this point). Remember so far he's guilty of NOTHING. It wasn't after curfew. He lived in the area.

The guy gets out of the car. And a fight breaks out. That is where the facts end and speculation begins. Putting myself in Martin's shoes I may not punch the guy but I'd definitely tell him to F*** Off. And 17 year old me may punch his lights out. But there is no reason I would deserve to get SHOT for that. Becuase I'm unarmed and the guy who follows me and stalks me is armed I die? Remember Martin didn't do anything wrong by being in the neighborhood and wouldn't have done anything other than go home and eat skittles had Zimmerman stayed in his car.

I don't care if he's neighborhood watch...a Cop can go to jail for shooting an innocent so a glorified mall cop DEFINITELY should be going. He assumed he had a bad guy and he didn't so why do I feel sorry for this creep???

JonnyPistachio

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

who in their right mind would say "you are going to die tonight" in a fight for your life?? as i said earlier in the thread i have been in several mma fights, and you are not talking in the middle of a fight.. i think this is something zimmerman made up for dramatic effect.

if the gun was holstered in zimmerman's back right side and he is flat on his back, how does he or trayvon unholster the gun? does not seem plausible to me.

I completely agree. My guess is Trayvon punched him in the nose once or twice, Zimmerman fell back, hitting his head. I think Zimmerman was so pissed, that he got up and pulled the gun and pointed it at Trayvon. Trayvon screams, and is shot dead. I'd guess that it's not easy to pull a gun from your side and shoot someone in the chest when they're on top of you. And agaon, why is there NONE of Trayvon's blood on Zimmerman?

Its Evolution Baby wrote:

I think anyone who is defending Zimmerman finds it easy to imagine being in Zimmerman's shoes but there is NO WAY you are imagining this from Martin's shoes.

Here is a kid walking through a neighborhood where demographically it sounds like he's one of a handful of minorites. It is the South where if there is still racisim it resides here. He notices he's being followed by a White Male (doesn't matter that he's half hispanic at this point). Remember so far he's guilty of NOTHING. It wasn't after curfew. He lived in the area.

The guy gets out of the car. And a fight breaks out. That is where the facts end and speculation begins. Putting myself in Martin's shoes I may not punch the guy but I'd definitely tell him to F*** Off. And 17 year old me may punch his lights out. But there is no reason I would deserve to get SHOT for that. Becuase I'm unarmed and the guy who follows me and stalks me is armed I die? Remember Martin didn't do anything wrong by being in the neighborhood and wouldn't have done anything other than go home and eat skittles had Zimmerman stayed in his car.

I don't care if he's neighborhood watch...a Cop can go to jail for shooting an innocent so a glorified mall cop DEFINITELY should be going. He assumed he had a bad guy and he didn't so why do I feel sorry for this creep???

I still think Zimmerman would've never gotten out of his car if he didnt have a gun. He just seems like a pussy. That simply leads me to believe he was very willing to use it on an unarmed kid. Zimmerman is dangerous.

gimmesometruth27

the best is when his instructor called him "soft"...

Blockhead

callen wrote:

Trayvon was on public property, walking with soda and candy, doing nothing illegal and some paranoid idiot with a gun ["surprise surprise" (Gomer Pile voioce)] went to rid the neighborhood of "Evil" (Dr Evil voice). Police dispatcher told him to stop following him but he continued to "hunt him down".

Zimerman's solely responsible for Trayvon being dead. Did Zimmerman get his ass kicked and did he use gun to prevent further being injured???..likely..but he initiated this confrontation and if some jerk was following me and questioning my intentions while walking down the street..I'd tell him to fk off as well.

L O L... Lets stick with the facts...
1. He called the non-emergency number and he has no legal obligation to follow an "order" from the dispatcher.
2. the dispatcher only said "we don't need you to follow him". not "don't follow him".
3. Zimmerman didnt follow. He got out of his car to find the name of the street to relay to 911. that's when he got jumped by trayvon.
4. There is no evidence to support the theory that Zimmerman followed him
5. Even if he did follow him, it is not illegal to do so.

The main point here was, who was the initial aggressor? The answer to that question is trayvon because he punched zimmerman in the face, broke his nose, CONTINUED to fight him as he got on top of him, slamming his head into the concrete sidewalk, which lead to zimmerman having reasonable fear of great bodily harm/injury or death as the law states. it is the state's burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that George Zimmerman did not meet this criteria.

The only injuries trayvon had were from the gunshot and a cut on his knuckle(s) which indicates that zimmerman didn't land a blow to him. The injuries that trayvon inflicted upon Zimmerman were NOT STOPPING.
Its also disturbing how trayvon was using racial slurs while on the phone to his friend. That shows the type of mindset he has already...

Godfather.

A forensic expert testified Tuesday that Trayvon Martin's gunshot wound indicated that he was likely on top of George Zimmerman when the neighborhood watch volunteer shot him.

Forensic pathologist Dr. Vincent Di Maio, an expert on gunshot wounds who has written and co-authored several articles and a book on the subject, said the single shot that killed the Florida teen passed through Martin's clothing as it hung 2-4 inches from his skin, indicating that Martin was over Zimmerman and leaning forward.

"If you’re lying on your back, the clothing is going to be against your chest," Di Maio testified. "So the fact that we know the clothing was two to four inches away is consistent with someone leaning over the person doing the shooting."



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/09/11 ... z2YZInwLfm

Godfather.

pjl44

Godfather. wrote:

A forensic expert testified Tuesday that Trayvon Martin's gunshot wound indicated that he was likely on top of George Zimmerman when the neighborhood watch volunteer shot him.

Forensic pathologist Dr. Vincent Di Maio, an expert on gunshot wounds who has written and co-authored several articles and a book on the subject, said the single shot that killed the Florida teen passed through Martin's clothing as it hung 2-4 inches from his skin, indicating that Martin was over Zimmerman and leaning forward.

"If you’re lying on your back, the clothing is going to be against your chest," Di Maio testified. "So the fact that we know the clothing was two to four inches away is consistent with someone leaning over the person doing the shooting."



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/09/11 ... z2YZInwLfm

Godfather.

No one here is looking for testimony from the actual trial, Godfather. I'd rather hear people's best guesses about what they imagine probably happened so they can go apoplectic when this tool walks.

vant0037

Blockhead wrote:

L O L... Lets stick with the facts...
1. He called the non-emergency number and he has no legal obligation to follow an "order" from the dispatcher.

...a "fact" which is irrelevant in an inquiry over whether Mr. Zimmerman was acting in self-defense. He could've been ordered by the President to pick his nose and stand on his head, but that doesn't matter. Mr. Zimmerman has claimed he acted in self-defense. He needs to articulate a threshold of evidence that meets the legal criteria of self-defense. Once that's established, the State then needs to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he wasn't acting in self-defense.

Blockhead wrote:

2. the dispatcher only said "we don't need you to follow him". not "don't follow him".

Irrelevant. See above.

Blockhead wrote:

3. Zimmerman didnt follow. He got out of his car to find the name of the street to relay to 911. that's when he got jumped by trayvon.

You sound like you were there. When do you testify? And why haven't you been called yet?

Blockhead wrote:

4. There is no evidence to support the theory that Zimmerman followed him

...except Zimmerman's own words, Trayvon Martin's words, and that annoying little statement from the police dispatcher saying "we don't need you to follow him."

Blockhead wrote:

5. Even if he did follow him, it is not illegal to do so.

Again, Zimmerman was free to do whatever he wanted. The crux of this trial is whether what he did do, legal or not, in violation of an order or a non-order, was legally excusable under the law. I cannot say this enough: the issue of whether the dispatcher could legally "order" Zimmerman to stop is a false one. The order status or non-order status is irrelevant to determining if Zimmerman acted in self-defense.

Blockhead wrote:

The main point here was, who was the initial aggressor? The answer to that question is trayvon because he punched zimmerman in the face, broke his nose, CONTINUED to fight him as he got on top of him, slamming his head into the concrete sidewalk, which lead to zimmerman having reasonable fear of great bodily harm/injury or death as the law states. it is the state's burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that George Zimmerman did not meet this criteria.

I'll ask again: when do you testify?

It is the State's burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman is guilty of the crime charged. However, self-defense is an affirmative defense, meaning the person raising it must offer some threshold of evidence to establish that it applies. This means that questions over what happened or who started it could actually hurt Zimmerman more than the State. The State has charged Zimmerman with murder. Zimmerman has raised self-defense. If it's unclear that Zimmerman can establish that his actions meet the legal requirements of self-defense, then the State needs to merely establish that a kid is dead, Zimmerman pulled the trigger, and that he acted with some malice or ill intent. There's certainly been testimony to all three.

Blockhead wrote:

That shows the type of mindset he has already...

Irrelevant. Martin's mindset isn't at issue. IF Martin was "not stopping" his assault on Zimmerman (again, are you a witness?), that doesn't indicate that Martin was also the aggressor. That's just bad logic.

Blockhead

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

who in their right mind would say "you are going to die tonight" in a fight for your life?? as i said earlier in the thread i have been in several mma fights, and you are not talking in the middle of a fight.. i think this is something zimmerman made up for dramatic effect.

if the gun was holstered in zimmerman's back right side and he is flat on his back, how does he or trayvon unholster the gun? does not seem plausible to me.

Ohhh I don't know... Maybe a THUG wanna be who is cocky/overconfident while punching someone (have you actually been in an actual fight outside of a ring? Shit-talk is one of the most common and consistent things about a street fight, especially when one is a THUG)... You can bring up all the "MMA" fights you've been in all you want, but this was a street fight, not a friendly competitor fight with referees in a ring...
Of course it doesn't seem plausible TO YOU... Just like you've never head of all of those other life or death instances where a mom will lift up a car to save her child, etc. People/Adrenaline is an amazing thing in life or dead situations, Just because you can't lay down and re-enact this with your dog does not make it implausible...

JonnyPistachio

Blockhead wrote:

The main point here was, who was the initial aggressor? The answer to that question is trayvon because he punched zimmerman in the face, broke his nose, CONTINUED to fight him as he got on top of him, slamming his head into the concrete sidewalk, which lead to zimmerman having reasonable fear of great bodily harm/injury or death as the law states. it is the state's burden to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that George Zimmerman did not meet this criteria.

Do you mean physical aggression? Because that's what is questionable here... Is a person getting out of a car with a loaded gun and following someone into the dark rain considered aggression?

But I do agree that Trayvon likely punched Zimmerman first. And because of a law - a subjective one at that - He can claim his life was in danger. Yup, zimmerman thought that he would DIE, so he killed Trayvon. He might walk because of that. DO you agree that Zimmerman thought he would die if he didnt shoot trayvon?

But I have to ask you one question - did you see Zimmerman's injury photos? The bloody ones? Yeah, they looked bad, right? Then did you see the ones the next day? His injuries were not bad. I've seen people get punched in the nose a lot, and i've seen peoples heads slammed against concrete. Zimmerman's injuries were'nt that bad. They appeared bad at first because of the blood, but they in no way appear life threatening to me. But thats why this case is so polarized, because some people dont put as much weight on that.. they just think Zimmerman acted within sketchy, subjective stand your ground law.

Its Evolution Baby

Blockhead wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

who in their right mind would say "you are going to die tonight" in a fight for your life?? as i said earlier in the thread i have been in several mma fights, and you are not talking in the middle of a fight.. i think this is something zimmerman made up for dramatic effect.

if the gun was holstered in zimmerman's back right side and he is flat on his back, how does he or trayvon unholster the gun? does not seem plausible to me.

Ohhh I don't know... Maybe a THUG wanna be who is cocky/overconfident while punching someone (have you actually been in an actual fight outside of a ring? Shit-talk is one of the most common and consistent things about a street fight, especially when one is a THUG)... You can bring up all the "MMA" fights you've been in all you want, but this was a street fight, not a friendly competitor fight with referees in a ring...
Of course it doesn't seem plausible TO YOU... Just like you've never head of all of those other life or death instances where a mom will lift up a car to save her child, etc. People/Adrenaline is an amazing thing in life or dead situations, Just because you can't lay down and re-enact this with your dog does not make it implausible...

Have you ever been in either an MMA fight or a street fight where you outweigh the other person by over 75 pounds? As someone who is 6'2 250 pounds I have fought someone much smaller than me and let me tell you if I want to get away I can get away and without shooting someone. Throw in the fact that Zimmerman has grown man strength which is a REAL thing, I don't buy his argument that he had to shoot Martin. You do and Zimmerman has to hope there are 11 more people like you on his jury.

My working theory is he shot Martin out of 50/50 being scared and being embarrassed of getting his ass kicked by a kid. I know if a teenager whupped my ass I'd be SUPER pissed and SUPER embarrased which to me are 2 motives for killing someone in the heat of the moment. Also Martin's DNA was not on the gun which meant he never reached for it and that Zimmerman did not use it to try to scare Martin off before firing.

JonnyPistachio

Godfather. wrote:

A forensic expert testified Tuesday that Trayvon Martin's gunshot wound indicated that he was likely on top of George Zimmerman when the neighborhood watch volunteer shot him.

Forensic pathologist Dr. Vincent Di Maio, an expert on gunshot wounds who has written and co-authored several articles and a book on the subject, said the single shot that killed the Florida teen passed through Martin's clothing as it hung 2-4 inches from his skin, indicating that Martin was over Zimmerman and leaning forward.

"If you’re lying on your back, the clothing is going to be against your chest," Di Maio testified. "So the fact that we know the clothing was two to four inches away is consistent with someone leaning over the person doing the shooting."



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/09/11 ... z2YZInwLfm

Godfather.

Thanks for that Godfather. So his sweatshirt could've been between 2-4 inches from his chest when he was shot, indicating he was leaning forward. I'm surprised this forensics person didint consider if there was a chance that during a physical fight, that the shirt could easily sway 2 inches no matter how trayvon was standing. Or maybe that comes out in the cross-examination.