President Obama's mother is a citizen...doesn't that make him a citizen no matter where he was born? Honest to god...this kind of stuff, why people equate conservative to crazy...
mike I thought to run for or be president of the US you had to be American born ? not sure just asking.
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you do, do they have ANY actual proof he isn't?
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President Obama's mother is a citizen...doesn't that make him a citizen no matter where he was born? Honest to god...this kind of stuff, why people equate conservative to crazy...
No. Obama's mother is not able to confer citizenship to her child, b/c the laws in Hawaii at the time stated that if only one parent is a citizen, then the parent has to have been so for at least 10 years, and for 5 years after the parents 16th birthday. Stanley-Ann was only 18 at the time of Barack's birth, so NO, she cannot, under the laws of the State of Hawaii at that time, transfer citizenship to her child.
Barack is not eligible under the laws of the Constitution to be President of the United States. Foreign-exchange student status is what he used to get into Harvard and Columbia, then began covering it up almost immediately, b/c as Breitbart's upcoming videos will show- Barack had set his sites on the White House a long, long time ago....
MIkePegg- you seem like a bright guy, I'm suprised you've formed such "ahhh, whatever" opinion about the subject w/out ever looking into the laws and facts. It's not about the Birth Certificate- he's inelligible without it.
"Crazy"? If INFORMED is crazy, then I'm nucking futz.
I am informed on a lot of things that people call crazy. I didn't call people looking into it crazy, I said this is the kind of thing that makes people think conservatives are crazy...
Do you believe in any of the truther arguments? they are equally "unproven" conjecture, do you think they have merit or do you dismiss them?
Also, the fact that he was born in Hawaii...yeah, that makes him a citizen. Is there proof he wasn't born in Hawaii? is there any proof? a birth anouncement in the home country of his father doesn't count. I want proof. If not, whether his mother was 15,16,17...none of that matters. He was a us citizen the minute he was born in Hawaii...Until someone wants to prove he was born in another country, it doesn't matter to me. Like I said, there are so many other things that this country needs to worry about. Obama's origin just shouldn't be tops on the list. Like I said, this kind of thing is what makes people equate conservative to crazy. You can list all the hawaiian state law you would like...ultimately if you have a US mother you are a US citizen in my interpretation of the laws. Changing that stipulation simply because of the AGE of the mother seems as though it is discrimination and would have been struck down on a legal challenge...come on...we have better things to do...why not investigate the theory that the president only needs international approval for military action to be ok?
Again...
1. Monetary system
2. Fiscal sanity
3. Global Military actions
4. Drug war failure
5. Business regulations
6. Market manipulation for congressional personal gain
7. Election fraud and finance reform
8. Laws that violate the bill of rights (NDAA)
9. Authorizing the killing of US citizens.
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77th...presidential birth certificate and place of origin...
Why, of all the things to focus on that are negative in regards to this president's policies and continuation of past president's dumb ass policies...He won the election...election boards believe he was born in the United States and I believe you are innocent until proven guilty.
Pragmatically this isn't an argument worth having...he IS president, and he WILL be eligible to run for re-election...Concede this point and move on...during an election season the court of public opinion is more important than proving anything in regards to birth certificate forgeries. No matter the proof of this document...until you can PROVE he wasn't born in Hawaii you have no argument, prove that and move on.
Look up Barry Goldwater 1964...do you believe he should have been eligible?
Well said...
I don't know what Hawaii laws were in the early 60's, but speaking of that, how can a state decide who or who isn't a citizen of the US? There can't be any constitutional grounds for that to happen, can there?
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President Obama's mother is a citizen...doesn't that make him a citizen no matter where he was born? Honest to god...this kind of stuff, why people equate conservative to crazy...
i was born in germany and was given dual citizenship until i turned 18
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
President Obama's mother is a citizen...doesn't that make him a citizen no matter where he was born? Honest to god...this kind of stuff, why people equate conservative to crazy...
i was born in germany and was given dual citizenship until i turned 18
I thought you were a figment of charlie's imagination?
what happened when you turned 18?
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
President Obama's mother is a citizen...doesn't that make him a citizen no matter where he was born? Honest to god...this kind of stuff, why people equate conservative to crazy...
i was born in germany and was given dual citizenship until i turned 18
I thought you were a figment of charlie's imagination?
what happened when you turned 18?
lol
you have to pick one or the other by 18, if you don't and are living in one of those countries then it will automatically go to that country.
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
just courious...if the same issue was being debated about Bush not having a birth cert or faked cert would the "ohh no big deal" attitude still be happening on the train ?
just courious...if the same issue was being debated about Bush not having a birth cert or faked cert would the "ohh no big deal" attitude still be happening on the train ?
Godfather.
it would for me, probably not for most, though, since they were so up in arms for 8 years over things like torture, indefinite detentions without charge or trial, eroding rights, the use of drones, guantanamo bay, the use of private contractors like black water/xe, secret closed door meetings with industry and lobbyists when determining their regulations, the continued support, arming and protecting of israel as they continue to kill and steal land........but don't seem to care at all about those things now
i've never been an obama supporter but i could care less where was born. even if he were born in kenya he spent the overwhelming majority of his life in america.
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
absolutely, first, it's a procedural thing in my eyes. second the iraq war, and the war crimes associated with it,would far overshadow some BS like that.
President Obama's mother is a citizen...doesn't that make him a citizen no matter where he was born? Honest to god...this kind of stuff, why people equate conservative to crazy...
No. Obama's mother is not able to confer citizenship to her child, b/c the laws in Hawaii at the time stated that if only one parent is a citizen, then the parent has to have been so for at least 10 years, and for 5 years after the parents 16th birthday. Stanley-Ann was only 18 at the time of Barack's birth, so NO, she cannot, under the laws of the State of Hawaii at that time, transfer citizenship to her child.
Barack is not eligible under the laws of the Constitution to be President of the United States. Foreign-exchange student status is what he used to get into Harvard and Columbia, then began covering it up almost immediately, b/c as Breitbart's upcoming videos will show- Barack had set his sites on the White House a long, long time ago....
MIkePegg- you seem like a bright guy, I'm suprised you've formed such "ahhh, whatever" opinion about the subject w/out ever looking into the laws and facts. It's not about the Birth Certificate- he's inelligible without it.
"Crazy"? If INFORMED is crazy, then I'm nucking futz.
The state of Hawaii cannot make a law regarding U.S. citizenship. :roll:
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."
just courious...if the same issue was being debated about Bush not having a birth cert or faked cert would the "ohh no big deal" attitude still be happening on the train ?
Godfather.
it would for me, probably not for most, though, since they were so up in arms for 8 years over things like torture, indefinite detentions without charge or trial, eroding rights, the use of drones, guantanamo bay, the use of private contractors like black water/xe, secret closed door meetings with industry and lobbyists when determining their regulations, the continued support, arming and protecting of israel as they continue to kill and steal land........but don't seem to care at all about those things now
i've never been an obama supporter but i could care less where was born. even if he were born in kenya he spent the overwhelming majority of his life in america.
Yeah but... again, you have to be a natural born citizen to be the president. I think he was but I don't know for sure.
just courious...if the same issue was being debated about Bush not having a birth cert or faked cert would the "ohh no big deal" attitude still be happening on the train ?
Godfather.
it would for me, probably not for most, though, since they were so up in arms for 8 years over things like torture, indefinite detentions without charge or trial, eroding rights, the use of drones, guantanamo bay, the use of private contractors like black water/xe, secret closed door meetings with industry and lobbyists when determining their regulations, the continued support, arming and protecting of israel as they continue to kill and steal land........but don't seem to care at all about those things now
i've never been an obama supporter but i could care less where was born. even if he were born in kenya he spent the overwhelming majority of his life in america.
Yeah but... again, you have to be a natural born citizen to be the president. I think he was but I don't know for sure.
i know, he asked if we would personally have a problem with it.
this would also make john mccain ineligible to be president
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
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^^^^NOT the same thing McCain was born in Panama on a US military base I believe which is the same as being born in Florida or any other US state. It's considered US soil or territory I believe correct me if I'm wrong.
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well I have to say that if he did get bounced out because of his cert it would cause a ripple effect all thru Washington and more people than Obama would be affected by it...every dirty little liar that helped to push this fake cert thru would be publicly castrated and the American government made to like the currupt little bastards that they are..and I would laugh at all the fools that did dirt to get this fool elected..but I would bet my lunch that this will never happen there is way too much at stake and too many reputations and political positions on the line,I would guess that we are dealing with powers that most of us will never believe or understand, this cert issue is just wasted space on public news stations...nothing will be done about it.
just a guess on my part though.
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well I have to say that if he did get bounced out because of his cert it would cause a ripple effect all thru Washington and more people than Obama would be affected by it...every dirty little liar that helped to push this fake cert thru would be publicly castrat...ed and the American government made to like the currupt little bastards that they are..and I would laugh at all the fools that did dirt to get this fool elected..but I would bet my lunch that this will never happen there is way too much at stake and too many reputations and political positions on the line,I would guess that we are dealing with powers that most of us will never believe or understand, this cert issue is just wasted space on public news stations...nothing will be done about it.
just a guess on my part though.
Godfather.
...And at this point not a damn thing should be done about it...it would be a waste of money.
Peace
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
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*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
well I have to say that if he did get bounced out because of his cert it would cause a ripple effect all thru Washington and more people than Obama would be affected by it...every dirty little liar that helped to push this fake cert thru would be publicly castrat...ed and the American government made to like the currupt little bastards that they are..and I would laugh at all the fools that did dirt to get this fool elected..but I would bet my lunch that this will never happen there is way too much at stake and too many reputations and political positions on the line,I would guess that we are dealing with powers that most of us will never believe or understand, this cert issue is just wasted space on public news stations...nothing will be done about it.
just a guess on my part though.
Godfather.
...And at this point not a damn thing should be done about it...it would be a waste of money.
Peace
money is the least of our worries,our money will be spent on bullshit either way I'm guessing that the political down fall and loss of political favor of the rich involved would be the biggest hit to the white house...I felt this guy Obama was bullshit right from the start and it looks like I may have been right.
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
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well I have to say that if he did get bounced out because of his cert it would cause a ripple effect all thru Washington and more people than Obama would be affected by it...every dirty little liar that helped to push this fake cert thru would be publicly castrat...ed and the American government made to like the currupt little bastards that they are..and I would laugh at all the fools that did dirt to get this fool elected..but I would bet my lunch that this will never happen there is way too much at stake and too many reputations and political positions on the line,I would guess that we are dealing with powers that most of us will never believe or understand, this cert issue is just wasted space on public news stations...nothing will be done about it.
just a guess on my part though.
Godfather.
...And at this point not a damn thing should be done about it...it would be a waste of money.
Peace
money is the least of our worries,our money will be spent on bullshit either way I'm guessing that the political down fall and loss of political favor of the rich involved would be the biggest hit to the white house...I felt this guy Obama was bullshit right from the start and it looks like I may have been right.
Godfather.
Grant you I did not vote this President into office but you believe he's bullshit because of this Birth Cetificate nonsense. It was and IS a waste of time basically a distraction from what is REALLY tearing down this country.
Oh I will give him my vote this time around...no politician can bring this country around in four years trying to bring it back from the abyssit fell into. Back to poker.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
no not because of the cert the cert is just a sign(if it proved to be fake) of what he is all about.
but really I just had a gut feeling he was not the man for the job and I think he has proved that on more than one ocasion but that's not to say the next guy will do any better but like anything else from the voters stance we will just have to wait and see.
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no not because of the cert the cert is just a sign(if it proved to be fake) of what he is all about.
but really I just had a gut feeling he was not the man for the job and I think he has proved that on more than one ocasion but that's not to say the next guy will do any better but like anything else from the voters stance we will just have to wait and see.
Godfather.
Well he will be back in office birth certificate issues or not. This country will have to deal and adjust to that. I believe many Americans care MORE about this President getting them jobs...getting this country back on track than where he was born.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Really is this front pg news anywhere i live here in NY and nada in todays front pg's , and he will beat any of the GOP clowns that will challenge him this coming Nov .........he will pummell any of them in Debates
as for me I sure you guys are not right on this..but it wouldn't suprise me.
Godfather.
Hey i'm an independent voter if the GOP had a candidate that was legit and not allways spewing bullshit i would gladly vote for that candidate , but everytime i hear one of them speak about any important issues it's a no brainer they have no clue i'm sorry but they just don't ..........
as for me I sure you guys are not right on this..but it wouldn't suprise me.
Godfather.
Hey i'm an independent voter if the GOP had a candidate that was legit and not allways spewing bullshit i would gladly vote for that candidate , but everytime i hear one of them speak about any important issues it's a no brainer they have no clue i'm sorry but they just don't ..........
this is so retarded. he was born in Hawaii. there is no question about it.
Joe Arpaio is a fucking moron and should be fired immediately for a plethora of reasons, wasting tax dollars on this subject is the latest of these reasons.
Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
well prince, they might not have the "focus on jobd from day one" thing down, but they are sure trying like hell to keep their promise to make him a one term president. and that will be the gop downfall come november.
i can not wait to see some debates between obama and whoever gets the gop nomination. it is gonna be a bloodbath. you can not win an election on personal attacks alone....then again in this country maybe you can...
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you do, do they have ANY actual proof he isn't?
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Well said...
I don't know what Hawaii laws were in the early 60's, but speaking of that, how can a state decide who or who isn't a citizen of the US? There can't be any constitutional grounds for that to happen, can there?
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
i was born in germany and was given dual citizenship until i turned 18
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
I thought you were a figment of charlie's imagination?
what happened when you turned 18?
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
lol
you have to pick one or the other by 18, if you don't and are living in one of those countries then it will automatically go to that country.
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Godfather.
it would for me, probably not for most, though, since they were so up in arms for 8 years over things like torture, indefinite detentions without charge or trial, eroding rights, the use of drones, guantanamo bay, the use of private contractors like black water/xe, secret closed door meetings with industry and lobbyists when determining their regulations, the continued support, arming and protecting of israel as they continue to kill and steal land........but don't seem to care at all about those things now
i've never been an obama supporter but i could care less where was born. even if he were born in kenya he spent the overwhelming majority of his life in america.
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
The state of Hawaii cannot make a law regarding U.S. citizenship. :roll:
"With our thoughts we make the world"
Yeah but... again, you have to be a natural born citizen to be the president. I think he was but I don't know for sure.
i know, he asked if we would personally have a problem with it.
this would also make john mccain ineligible to be president
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
If you're born on a United States military base anywhere in the world you are considered a natural born citizen.
^^ I don't know why that hasn't sunk in yet.
just a guess on my part though.
Godfather.
...And at this point not a damn thing should be done about it...it would be a waste of money.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
money is the least of our worries,our money will be spent on bullshit either way I'm guessing that the political down fall and loss of political favor of the rich involved would be the biggest hit to the white house...I felt this guy Obama was bullshit right from the start and it looks like I may have been right.
Godfather.
Godfather.
Good morning it's a beautiful day down here.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Grant you I did not vote this President into office but you believe he's bullshit because of this Birth Cetificate nonsense. It was and IS a waste of time basically a distraction from what is REALLY tearing down this country.
Oh I will give him my vote this time around...no politician can bring this country around in four years trying to bring it back from the abyssit fell into. Back to poker.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
but really I just had a gut feeling he was not the man for the job and I think he has proved that on more than one ocasion but that's not to say the next guy will do any better but like anything else from the voters stance we will just have to wait and see.
Godfather.
Well he will be back in office birth certificate issues or not. This country will have to deal and adjust to that. I believe many Americans care MORE about this President getting them jobs...getting this country back on track than where he was born.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Godfather.
Hey i'm an independent voter if the GOP had a candidate that was legit and not allways spewing bullshit i would gladly vote for that candidate , but everytime i hear one of them speak about any important issues it's a no brainer they have no clue i'm sorry but they just don't ..........
no argument here brother it's ugly out there.
Godfather.
Joe Arpaio is a fucking moron and should be fired immediately for a plethora of reasons, wasting tax dollars on this subject is the latest of these reasons.
This is just more desperate crap from Republicans, the party of "desperate off-topic diversions so we don't have to solve real problems."
Call me when you get to that "focus on jobs from day one" thing.
i can not wait to see some debates between obama and whoever gets the gop nomination. it is gonna be a bloodbath. you can not win an election on personal attacks alone....then again in this country maybe you can...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."