I would never falt a person that lives in poverty but people in prison ...some may have got a bad rap(very few) but you can bet your knickers they broak the law to get in.
Godfather.
The same laws rich white kids break.....minor drug 'crimes'. But the police don't patrol or prosecute in rich white kid suburbia with anywhere near the same frequency as inner city, poor minority neighborhoods, do they?....and when they do, which group can afford lawyers to get them out of trouble?
Look up some drug arrest stats broken down by race and class demographics. It cannot be described in any way other than racist. This is drug war 101 stuff Godfather.
check this out, a little off topic but ugly and prison related.
Well, not sure if it's ironic as ever since Alanis I'm not sure what the true definition is.
It's like RAAAAAIAIAIAIAANNNNN on your wedding day...
My whole life
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
I would never falt a person that lives in poverty but people in prison ...some may have got a bad rap(very few) but you can bet your knickers they broak the law to get in.
Godfather.
The same laws rich white kids break.....minor drug 'crimes'. But the police don't patrol or prosecute in rich white kid suburbia with anywhere near the same frequency as inner city, poor minority neighborhoods, do they?....and when they do, which group can afford lawyers to get them out of trouble?
Look up some drug arrest stats broken down by race and class demographics. It cannot be described in any way other than racist. This is drug war 101 stuff Godfather.
check this out, a little off topic but ugly and prison related.
Something about this rubs me the wrong way. Latino or not, this is Texas, correct. I was pretty sure this happened in Texas. Last time I checked Texas was part of the USA. I don't care if they are Latino, black asian, or eskimos. They are in the USA. They should be proud of the country they live in even if it is not their country of origin. If they feel slighted because of the chant, don't stay in the USA. It's obviously offensive to them.
Jeez, chanting USA used to be patriotic. Now if you do it you are a xenophobe.
I would never falt a person that lives in poverty but people in prison ...some may have got a bad rap(very few) but you can bet your knickers they broak the law to get in.
Godfather.
Have you ever considered that there may be a relation/connection between poverty and crime?
I would never falt a person that lives in poverty but people in prison ...some may have got a bad rap(very few) but you can bet your knickers they broak the law to get in.
Godfather.
Have you ever considered that there may be a relation/connection between poverty and crime?
Are you trying to say only blacks or Hispanics are poor? In your world, isn’t that racist?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Are you trying to say only blacks or Hispanics are poor? In your world, isn’t that racist?
No, I didn't say that only blacks and Hispanics are poor. But overall they suffer far greater levels of poverty per capita than whites in America, and always have. Do you dispute this?
America was founded on racism, and it continues to this day.
http://www.npc.umich.edu/poverty/
Poverty rates for blacks and Hispanics greatly exceed the national average. In 2010, 27.4 percent of blacks and 26.6 percent of Hispanics were poor, compared to 9.9 percent of non-Hispanic whites and 12.1 percent of Asians.
With Black unemployment being at 16.7% percent, the highest among any group in the United States, African-Americans don’t fair much better amid recently unveiled record poverty rates. While the number of Americans in poverty jumped to 15.1% for 2010, the number of African Americans in poverty jumped to 27.4% from 25.8% in 2009.
The southern United States—where most African Americans are concentrated—accounted for a poverty rate of 16.9% up from 15.7% in 2009.
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, overall 2010 U.S. median household income declined to $49,445 down from an income of $50,599 in 2009. While whites currently have a poverty rate of 13% with a median income of $51,846, Blacks have a median income of $32,068 — nearly $20,000 less than their white counterparts.
Interestingly enough, Asians saw the deepest dip in median income than any other group by 3.4% with a median income of $64,308 for 2010 down from $66,550 in 2009. However, they were the only group to show an decrease in the number of those in poverty among their group by o.4%. Note the median income of Asians is double that of African Americans.
While the current national unemployment rate is at a stagnant 9.1%, there is quickly becoming a drastic correlation between the working poor and decreased median income levels in this country. The announcement of this most recent poverty rate represents the third consecutive annual increase in the poverty rate. The number of people in poverty is 46.2 million people, the largest number in 52 years for which poverty estimates have been published.
The number of African Americans in poverty is 10.7 million.
"The number of people in prison, in jail, on parole, and on probation in the U.S. increased threefold between 1980 and 2000, to more than 6 million, and the number of people in prison increased from 319,598 to almost 2 million in the same period. This buildup has targeted the poor, and especially Blacks. In 1999, though Blacks were only 13 percent of the U.S. population, they were half of all prison inmates. In 2000, one out of three young Black men was either locked up, on probation, or on parole. The military-industrial complex of the 1950s, with its Cold War communist bogeyman, has been replaced by a prison-industrial complex, with young Black "predators" serving as its justification."
Dan Parkin, International Socialist Review, Jan-Feb 2002, p69
“More African American men are in prison or jail, on probation or parole than were enslaved in 1850, before the Civil War began,” Michelle Alexander told a standing room only house at the Pasadena Main Library this past Wednesday, the first of many jarring points she made in a riveting presentation.
Alexander, currently a law professor at Ohio State, had been brought in to discuss her year-old bestseller, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness More Black Men Now in Prison System than Enslaved in 1850. Interest ran so high beforehand that the organizers had to move the event to a location that could accommodate the eager attendees. That evening, more than 200 people braved the pouring rain and inevitable traffic jams to crowd into the library’s main room, with dozens more shuffled into an overflow room, and even more latecomers turned away altogether. Alexander and her topic had struck a nerve.
Growing crime rates over the past 30 years don’t explain the skyrocketing numbers of black — and increasingly brown — men caught in America’s prison system, according to Alexander, who clerked for Supreme Court Justice Harry Blackmun after attending Stanford Law. “In fact, crime rates have fluctuated over the years and are now at historical lows.”
“Most of that increase is due to the War on Drugs, a war waged almost exclusively in poor communities of color,” she said, even though studies have shown that whites use and sell illegal drugs at rates equal to or above blacks. In some black inner-city communities, four of five black youth can expect to be caught up in the criminal justice system during their lifetimes.
As a consequence, a great many black men are disenfranchised, said Alexander — prevented because of their felony convictions from voting and from living in public housing, discriminated in hiring, excluded from juries, and denied educational opportunities.
“What do we expect them to do?” she asked, who researched her ground-breaking book while serving as Director of the Racial Justice Project at the ACLU of Northern California. “Well, seventy percent return to prison within two years, that’s what they do.”
Organized by the Pasadena Public Library and the Flintridge Center, with a dozen or more cosponsors, including the ACLU Pasadena/Foothills Chapter and Neighborhood Church, and the LA Progressive as the sole media sponsor, the event drew a crowd of the converted, frankly — more than two-thirds from Pasadena’s well-established black community and others drawn from activists circles. Although Alexander is a polished speaker on a deeply researched topic, little she said stunned the crowd, which, after all, was the choir. So the question is what to do about this glaring injustice.
Married to a federal prosecutor, Alexander briefly touched on the differing opinion in the Alexander household. “You can imagine the arguments we have,” Alexander said in relating discussions she has with her husband. “He thinks there are changes we can make within the system,” she said, agreeing that there are good people working on the issues and that improvements can be made. “But I think there has to be a revolution of some kind.”
However change is to come, a big impediment will be the massive prison-industrial system.
“If we were to return prison populations to 1970 levels, before the War on Drugs began,” she said. “More than a million people working in the system would see their jobs disappear.”
Of all African-American men that were born in 1965 or later with less than a high school diploma, 60 percent have a prison record (28 months median time served).
So it’s like America’s current war addiction. We have built a massive war machine — one bigger than all the other countries in the world combined — with millions of well-paid defense industry jobs and billions of dollars at stake. With a hammer that big, every foreign policy issue looks like a nail — another bomb to drop, another country to invade, another massive weapons development project to build.
zz dick More Black Men Now in Prison System than Enslaved in 1850Similarly, with such a well-entrenched prison-industrial complex in place — also with a million jobs and billions of dollars at stake — every criminal justice issue also looks like a nail — another prison sentence to pass down, another third strike to enforce, another prison to build in some job-starved small town, another chance at a better life to deny.
Alexander, who drew her early inspiration from Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., devotes the last part of “The New Jim Crow” to steps people can take to combat this gross injustice. In particular, she recommended supporting the Drug Policy Alliance. At the book signing afterwards, Dr. Anthony Samad recruited Michelle Alexander to appear this fall at one his Urban Issues Forums, typically held at the California African American Museum next to USC.
Something about this rubs me the wrong way. Latino or not, this is Texas, correct. I was pretty sure this happened in Texas. Last time I checked Texas was part of the USA. I don't care if they are Latino, black asian, or eskimos. They are in the USA. They should be proud of the country they live in even if it is not their country of origin. If they feel slighted because of the chant, don't stay in the USA. It's obviously offensive to them.
Jeez, chanting USA used to be patriotic. Now if you do it you are a xenophobe.
It is patriotic when you are cheering for the USA in an international competition. This was a match-up between 2 American teams.
Do you really think they were cheering to be patriotic?
Are you trying to say only blacks or Hispanics are poor? In your world, isn’t that racist?
No, I didn't say that only blacks and Hispanics are poor. But overall they suffer far greater levels of poverty per capita than whites in America, and always have. Do you dispute this?
America was founded on racism, and it continues to this day.
http://www.npc.umich.edu/poverty/
Poverty rates for blacks and Hispanics greatly exceed the national average. In 2010, 27.4 percent of blacks and 26.6 percent of Hispanics were poor, compared to 9.9 percent of non-Hispanic whites and 12.1 percent of Asians.
With Black unemployment being at 16.7% percent, the highest among any group in the United States, African-Americans don’t fair much better amid recently unveiled record poverty rates. While the number of Americans in poverty jumped to 15.1% for 2010, the number of African Americans in poverty jumped to 27.4% from 25.8% in 2009.
The southern United States—where most African Americans are concentrated—accounted for a poverty rate of 16.9% up from 15.7% in 2009.
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, overall 2010 U.S. median household income declined to $49,445 down from an income of $50,599 in 2009. While whites currently have a poverty rate of 13% with a median income of $51,846, Blacks have a median income of $32,068 — nearly $20,000 less than their white counterparts.
Interestingly enough, Asians saw the deepest dip in median income than any other group by 3.4% with a median income of $64,308 for 2010 down from $66,550 in 2009. However, they were the only group to show an decrease in the number of those in poverty among their group by o.4%. Note the median income of Asians is double that of African Americans.
While the current national unemployment rate is at a stagnant 9.1%, there is quickly becoming a drastic correlation between the working poor and decreased median income levels in this country. The announcement of this most recent poverty rate represents the third consecutive annual increase in the poverty rate. The number of people in poverty is 46.2 million people, the largest number in 52 years for which poverty estimates have been published.
The number of African Americans in poverty is 10.7 million.
Poverty has nothing to do with race today. My black female manager at work said herself she knows she was promoted because she is a black female woman and she has no problem with it. At my job, women get promoted faster than men, especially if they are anything but white because the business is too afraid of being accused of discrimination. She said herself there are many black women living off welfare that could do the same thing she did but are to lazy and just want to live of the welfare system. Now if a black woman can see this why can’t you?
On the other hand I believe there are people that were dealt a bad hand and have a harder time taking care of themselves like the mentally ill or people with learning disabilities to name a few. These people should have help. However, no one that is physically and mentally fit should be on any assistance at all. It is all about the choices one makes for there selves.
I think class discrimination is the problem of today.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
"The number of people in prison, in jail, on parole, and on probation in the U.S. increased threefold between 1980 and 2000, to more than 6 million, and the number of people in prison increased from 319,598 to almost 2 million in the same period. This buildup has targeted the poor, and especially Blacks. In 1999, though Blacks were only 13 percent of the U.S. population, they were half of all prison inmates. In 2000, one out of three young Black men was either locked up, on probation, or on parole. The military-industrial complex of the 1950s, with its Cold War communist bogeyman, has been replaced by a prison-industrial complex, with young Black "predators" serving as its justification."
Dan Parkin, International Socialist Review, Jan-Feb 2002, p69
“More African American men are in prison or jail, on probation or parole than were enslaved in 1850, before the Civil War began,” Michelle Alexander told a standing room only house at the Pasadena Main Library this past Wednesday, the first of many jarring points she made in a riveting presentation.
Alexander, currently a law professor at Ohio State, had been brought in to discuss her year-old bestseller, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness More Black Men Now in Prison System than Enslaved in 1850. Interest ran so high beforehand that the organizers had to move the event to a location that could accommodate the eager attendees. That evening, more than 200 people braved the pouring rain and inevitable traffic jams to crowd into the library’s main room, with dozens more shuffled into an overflow room, and even more latecomers turned away altogether. Alexander and her topic had struck a nerve.
Growing crime rates over the past 30 years don’t explain the skyrocketing numbers of black — and increasingly brown — men caught in America’s prison system, according to Alexander, who clerked for Supreme Court Justice Harry Blackmun after attending Stanford Law. “In fact, crime rates have fluctuated over the years and are now at historical lows.”
“Most of that increase is due to the War on Drugs, a war waged almost exclusively in poor communities of color,” she said, even though studies have shown that whites use and sell illegal drugs at rates equal to or above blacks. In some black inner-city communities, four of five black youth can expect to be caught up in the criminal justice system during their lifetimes.
As a consequence, a great many black men are disenfranchised, said Alexander — prevented because of their felony convictions from voting and from living in public housing, discriminated in hiring, excluded from juries, and denied educational opportunities.
“What do we expect them to do?” she asked, who researched her ground-breaking book while serving as Director of the Racial Justice Project at the ACLU of Northern California. “Well, seventy percent return to prison within two years, that’s what they do.”
Organized by the Pasadena Public Library and the Flintridge Center, with a dozen or more cosponsors, including the ACLU Pasadena/Foothills Chapter and Neighborhood Church, and the LA Progressive as the sole media sponsor, the event drew a crowd of the converted, frankly — more than two-thirds from Pasadena’s well-established black community and others drawn from activists circles. Although Alexander is a polished speaker on a deeply researched topic, little she said stunned the crowd, which, after all, was the choir. So the question is what to do about this glaring injustice.
Married to a federal prosecutor, Alexander briefly touched on the differing opinion in the Alexander household. “You can imagine the arguments we have,” Alexander said in relating discussions she has with her husband. “He thinks there are changes we can make within the system,” she said, agreeing that there are good people working on the issues and that improvements can be made. “But I think there has to be a revolution of some kind.”
However change is to come, a big impediment will be the massive prison-industrial system.
“If we were to return prison populations to 1970 levels, before the War on Drugs began,” she said. “More than a million people working in the system would see their jobs disappear.”
Of all African-American men that were born in 1965 or later with less than a high school diploma, 60 percent have a prison record (28 months median time served).
So it’s like America’s current war addiction. We have built a massive war machine — one bigger than all the other countries in the world combined — with millions of well-paid defense industry jobs and billions of dollars at stake. With a hammer that big, every foreign policy issue looks like a nail — another bomb to drop, another country to invade, another massive weapons development project to build.
zz dick More Black Men Now in Prison System than Enslaved in 1850Similarly, with such a well-entrenched prison-industrial complex in place — also with a million jobs and billions of dollars at stake — every criminal justice issue also looks like a nail — another prison sentence to pass down, another third strike to enforce, another prison to build in some job-starved small town, another chance at a better life to deny.
Alexander, who drew her early inspiration from Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., devotes the last part of “The New Jim Crow” to steps people can take to combat this gross injustice. In particular, she recommended supporting the Drug Policy Alliance. At the book signing afterwards, Dr. Anthony Samad recruited Michelle Alexander to appear this fall at one his Urban Issues Forums, typically held at the California African American Museum next to USC.
Why do you think these people broke the law that landed them in jail? Bad choices? No one put them in there but them selves.
I do believe there should be more wealthy people in prison because I feel the law should be the same for everyone. It should not matter that you can afford a good lawyer (one with connections to judges).
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Poverty has nothing to do with race today. My black female manager at work said herself she knows she was promoted because she is a black female woman and she has no problem with it. At my job, women get promoted faster than men, especially if they are anything but white because the business is too afraid of being accused of discrimination. She said herself there are many black women living off welfare that could do the same thing she did but are to lazy and just want to live of the welfare system. Now if a black woman can see this why can’t you?
On the other hand I believe there are people that were dealt a bad hand and have a harder time taking care of themselves like the mentally ill or people with learning disabilities to name a few. These people should have help. However, no one that is physically and mentally fit should be on any assistance at all. It is all about the choices one makes for there selves.
I think class discrimination is the problem of today.
Class discrimination? In America? Does America have a class system? That's the first I've heard of it.
As for blacks getting a better deal than whites, this flies in the face of all the evidence, despite the odd exception to that rule, such as the experience of your boss.
Something about this rubs me the wrong way. Latino or not, this is Texas, correct. I was pretty sure this happened in Texas. Last time I checked Texas was part of the USA. I don't care if they are Latino, black asian, or eskimos. They are in the USA. They should be proud of the country they live in even if it is not their country of origin. If they feel slighted because of the chant, don't stay in the USA. It's obviously offensive to them.
Jeez, chanting USA used to be patriotic. Now if you do it you are a xenophobe.
It is patriotic when you are cheering for the USA in an international competition. This was a match-up between 2 American teams.
Do you really think they were cheering to be patriotic?
Does it matter? You said it, both teams were from the USA. Who could be offended by that? Even if one team had more Latino players than the other, sounds like they are pulling at straws. Sounds to me like the parents or school officials from the latino school are making a racist case where there might not be one. I would assume that the latino players could be American just as much as the white players could be. But that's just me.
Something about this rubs me the wrong way. Latino or not, this is Texas, correct. I was pretty sure this happened in Texas. Last time I checked Texas was part of the USA. I don't care if they are Latino, black asian, or eskimos. They are in the USA. They should be proud of the country they live in even if it is not their country of origin. If they feel slighted because of the chant, don't stay in the USA. It's obviously offensive to them.
Jeez, chanting USA used to be patriotic. Now if you do it you are a xenophobe.
It is patriotic when you are cheering for the USA in an international competition. This was a match-up between 2 American teams.
Do you really think they were cheering to be patriotic?
Does it matter? You said it, both teams were from the USA. Who could be offended by that? Even if one team had more Latino players than the other, sounds like they are pulling at straws. Sounds to me like the parents or school officials from the latino school are making a racist case where there might not be one. I would assume that the latino players could be American just as much as the white players could be. But that's just me.
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Something about this rubs me the wrong way. Latino or not, this is Texas, correct. I was pretty sure this happened in Texas. Last time I checked Texas was part of the USA. I don't care if they are Latino, black asian, or eskimos. They are in the USA. They should be proud of the country they live in even if it is not their country of origin. If they feel slighted because of the chant, don't stay in the USA. It's obviously offensive to them.
Jeez, chanting USA used to be patriotic. Now if you do it you are a xenophobe.
It is patriotic when you are cheering for the USA in an international competition. This was a match-up between 2 American teams.
Do you really think they were cheering to be patriotic?
Does it matter? You said it, both teams were from the USA. Who could be offended by that? Even if one team had more Latino players than the other, sounds like they are pulling at straws. Sounds to me like the parents or school officials from the latino school are making a racist case where there might not be one. I would assume that the latino players could be American just as much as the white players could be. But that's just me.
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I think it does matter if the opposing team or any member from that team was offended. I would be bothered if I was on that team.....would you be offended if this happened to your team?
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what the hell is wrong with people? They might as well have just chanted "GO WHITE KIDS!"
White kids are the new minority. When you are a minority, you can abuse whomever you want to.
And apparently math isn't your strong suit either... how exactly are white kids a minority?
They are here ... were in my kids high school even 10 years ago.
Both my kids left to finish in home school ... they were made miserable.
My kids were not racially divided but the same could not be said about a lot of the new kids.
They had changed the ruling powers and allowed parents to choose schools out of their district
as long as they could provide their own transportation.
This brought many groups of kids from other schools ...
schools from tougher environments, kids already in a established group.
While some great friendships grew that taught my children it's never the color of one's skin
they had lasting trauma at the hands of others also. Such is life.
Poverty has nothing to do with race today. My black female manager at work said herself she knows she was promoted because she is a black female woman and she has no problem with it. At my job, women get promoted faster than men, especially if they are anything but white because the business is too afraid of being accused of discrimination. She said herself there are many black women living off welfare that could do the same thing she did but are to lazy and just want to live of the welfare system. Now if a black woman can see this why can’t you?
On the other hand I believe there are people that were dealt a bad hand and have a harder time taking care of themselves like the mentally ill or people with learning disabilities to name a few. These people should have help. However, no one that is physically and mentally fit should be on any assistance at all. It is all about the choices one makes for there selves.
I think class discrimination is the problem of today.
So the disproportionate number of blacks in poverty doesn't have anything to do with racism that entails lack of opportunity and lack of access to capital, it's because they're lazy?
Does it matter? You said it, both teams were from the USA. Who could be offended by that? Even if one team had more Latino players than the other, sounds like they are pulling at straws. Sounds to me like the parents or school officials from the latino school are making a racist case where there might not be one. I would assume that the latino players could be American just as much as the white players could be. But that's just me.
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Kind of surprised at some of the responses in this thread, but I suppose I shouldn't be as there's a lot of people who think the only racism in the U.S. is when a neo-nazi drags someone to their death after chaining them to their car.
They are chanting "USA USA" because they are saying that this is there country, and the Mexican immigrants and children of immigrants (and probably many grandchildren of immigrants) don't belong there. It fits the usual pattern of racism toward immigrants that's been present in the U.S. since the get go. It can't be that hard to figure out why this is offensive.
Does it matter? You said it, both teams were from the USA. Who could be offended by that? Even if one team had more Latino players than the other, sounds like they are pulling at straws. Sounds to me like the parents or school officials from the latino school are making a racist case where there might not be one. I would assume that the latino players could be American just as much as the white players could be. But that's just me.
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Kind of surprised at some of the responses in this thread, but I suppose I shouldn't be as there's a lot of people who think the only racism in the U.S. is when a neo-nazi drags someone to their death after chaining them to their car.
They are chanting "USA USA" because they are saying that this is there country, and the Mexican immigrants and children of immigrants (and probably many grandchildren of immigrants) don't belong there. It fits the usual pattern of racism toward immigrants that's been present in the U.S. since the get go. It can't be that hard to figure out why this is offensive.
So I guess we shouldn't sing the National Anthem before sporting events anymore between two American teams because we might offend immigrants. :roll:
Something about this rubs me the wrong way. Latino or not, this is Texas, correct. I was pretty sure this happened in Texas. Last time I checked Texas was part of the USA. I don't care if they are Latino, black asian, or eskimos. They are in the USA. They should be proud of the country they live in even if it is not their country of origin. If they feel slighted because of the chant, don't stay in the USA. It's obviously offensive to them.
Jeez, chanting USA used to be patriotic. Now if you do it you are a xenophobe.
It is patriotic when you are cheering for the USA in an international competition. This was a match-up between 2 American teams.
Do you really think they were cheering to be patriotic?
Does it matter? You said it, both teams were from the USA. Who could be offended by that? Even if one team had more Latino players than the other, sounds like they are pulling at straws. Sounds to me like the parents or school officials from the latino school are making a racist case where there might not be one. I would assume that the latino players could be American just as much as the white players could be. But that's just me.
Do you think the crowd would have done the USA chant if the opposing team was all white?
Kind of surprised at some of the responses in this thread, but I suppose I shouldn't be as there's a lot of people who think the only racism in the U.S. is when a neo-nazi drags someone to their death after chaining them to their car.
They are chanting "USA USA" because they are saying that this is there country, and the Mexican immigrants and children of immigrants (and probably many grandchildren of immigrants) don't belong there. It fits the usual pattern of racism toward immigrants that's been present in the U.S. since the get go. It can't be that hard to figure out why this is offensive.
So I guess we shouldn't sing the National Anthem before sporting events anymore between two American teams because we might offend immigrants. :roll:
Ummm, no. When everyone in the arena/gym, recent immigrants and 6th generation immigrants, are invited to stand and sing a patriotic song, that is way different then what happened in this situation. The announcer doesn't say before the anthem, "will all white people of Northern European descent please stand and sing our National Anthem". What happened was racism, why is that hard to admit?
what the hell is wrong with people? They might as well have just chanted "GO WHITE KIDS!"
White kids are the new minority. When you are a minority, you can abuse whomever you want to.
Really?
Because when as a minority I stand up for myself, many people here - yourself included - have shouted me down, attacked me, told me you don't care about any of my issues, told me I should shut up and called me names I can't repeat.
this thread is truly depressing...i always try to get back to the root reason for what the end goal is when someone is arguing the opposite of me. to someone like beavers or myself the end goal is simple - respect other people and cultures and don't act a fool by using language to clearly who "counts" and who doesn't in this country. for those that think otherwise why do you want to win this argument? do you want to be able to say racist things and not be able to complain? do you want people to not think that stuff is racist and to just shut up already? if so what/who does that benefit and how?
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check this out, a little off topic but ugly and prison related.
Godfather.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/09/te ... soned-for/
Ouch says a Texan :(
This is ironic.
Well, not sure if it's ironic as ever since Alanis I'm not sure what the true definition is.
Blame Bruce Springsteen if you need to cast blame ...
It's like RAAAAAIAIAIAIAANNNNN on your wedding day...
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
ugh. thanks, fuckers
rat shit, bat shit
dirty ole twat
69 assholes tied in a knot
hooray
lizard shit
fuck
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5/17/10 Boston, 10/15/13 Worcester, 10/16/13 Worcester, 10/25/13 Hartford
8/5/16 Fenway, 8/7/16 Fenway
EV Solo: 6/16/11 Boston, 6/18/11 Hartford,
Jeez, chanting USA used to be patriotic. Now if you do it you are a xenophobe.
9/29/04 Boston, 6/28/08 Mansfield, 8/23/09 Chicago, 5/15/10 Hartford
5/17/10 Boston, 10/15/13 Worcester, 10/16/13 Worcester, 10/25/13 Hartford
8/5/16 Fenway, 8/7/16 Fenway
EV Solo: 6/16/11 Boston, 6/18/11 Hartford,
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Have you ever considered that there may be a relation/connection between poverty and crime?
No, I didn't say that only blacks and Hispanics are poor. But overall they suffer far greater levels of poverty per capita than whites in America, and always have. Do you dispute this?
America was founded on racism, and it continues to this day.
http://www.npc.umich.edu/poverty/
Poverty rates for blacks and Hispanics greatly exceed the national average. In 2010, 27.4 percent of blacks and 26.6 percent of Hispanics were poor, compared to 9.9 percent of non-Hispanic whites and 12.1 percent of Asians.
http://www.yourblackworld.com/2011/09/1 ... erty-rate/
U.S. Poverty Rate at 27-Year High; Blacks Have 27.4% Poverty Rate
September 14, 2011 By Kirsten West Savali
With Black unemployment being at 16.7% percent, the highest among any group in the United States, African-Americans don’t fair much better amid recently unveiled record poverty rates. While the number of Americans in poverty jumped to 15.1% for 2010, the number of African Americans in poverty jumped to 27.4% from 25.8% in 2009.
The southern United States—where most African Americans are concentrated—accounted for a poverty rate of 16.9% up from 15.7% in 2009.
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, overall 2010 U.S. median household income declined to $49,445 down from an income of $50,599 in 2009. While whites currently have a poverty rate of 13% with a median income of $51,846, Blacks have a median income of $32,068 — nearly $20,000 less than their white counterparts.
Interestingly enough, Asians saw the deepest dip in median income than any other group by 3.4% with a median income of $64,308 for 2010 down from $66,550 in 2009. However, they were the only group to show an decrease in the number of those in poverty among their group by o.4%. Note the median income of Asians is double that of African Americans.
While the current national unemployment rate is at a stagnant 9.1%, there is quickly becoming a drastic correlation between the working poor and decreased median income levels in this country. The announcement of this most recent poverty rate represents the third consecutive annual increase in the poverty rate. The number of people in poverty is 46.2 million people, the largest number in 52 years for which poverty estimates have been published.
The number of African Americans in poverty is 10.7 million.
Dan Parkin, International Socialist Review, Jan-Feb 2002, p69
http://www.laprogressive.com/black-men-prison-system/
More Black Men Now in Prison System than Enslaved in 1850
By Dick Price
“More African American men are in prison or jail, on probation or parole than were enslaved in 1850, before the Civil War began,” Michelle Alexander told a standing room only house at the Pasadena Main Library this past Wednesday, the first of many jarring points she made in a riveting presentation.
Alexander, currently a law professor at Ohio State, had been brought in to discuss her year-old bestseller, The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness More Black Men Now in Prison System than Enslaved in 1850. Interest ran so high beforehand that the organizers had to move the event to a location that could accommodate the eager attendees. That evening, more than 200 people braved the pouring rain and inevitable traffic jams to crowd into the library’s main room, with dozens more shuffled into an overflow room, and even more latecomers turned away altogether. Alexander and her topic had struck a nerve.
Growing crime rates over the past 30 years don’t explain the skyrocketing numbers of black — and increasingly brown — men caught in America’s prison system, according to Alexander, who clerked for Supreme Court Justice Harry Blackmun after attending Stanford Law. “In fact, crime rates have fluctuated over the years and are now at historical lows.”
“Most of that increase is due to the War on Drugs, a war waged almost exclusively in poor communities of color,” she said, even though studies have shown that whites use and sell illegal drugs at rates equal to or above blacks. In some black inner-city communities, four of five black youth can expect to be caught up in the criminal justice system during their lifetimes.
As a consequence, a great many black men are disenfranchised, said Alexander — prevented because of their felony convictions from voting and from living in public housing, discriminated in hiring, excluded from juries, and denied educational opportunities.
“What do we expect them to do?” she asked, who researched her ground-breaking book while serving as Director of the Racial Justice Project at the ACLU of Northern California. “Well, seventy percent return to prison within two years, that’s what they do.”
Organized by the Pasadena Public Library and the Flintridge Center, with a dozen or more cosponsors, including the ACLU Pasadena/Foothills Chapter and Neighborhood Church, and the LA Progressive as the sole media sponsor, the event drew a crowd of the converted, frankly — more than two-thirds from Pasadena’s well-established black community and others drawn from activists circles. Although Alexander is a polished speaker on a deeply researched topic, little she said stunned the crowd, which, after all, was the choir. So the question is what to do about this glaring injustice.
Married to a federal prosecutor, Alexander briefly touched on the differing opinion in the Alexander household. “You can imagine the arguments we have,” Alexander said in relating discussions she has with her husband. “He thinks there are changes we can make within the system,” she said, agreeing that there are good people working on the issues and that improvements can be made. “But I think there has to be a revolution of some kind.”
However change is to come, a big impediment will be the massive prison-industrial system.
“If we were to return prison populations to 1970 levels, before the War on Drugs began,” she said. “More than a million people working in the system would see their jobs disappear.”
Of all African-American men that were born in 1965 or later with less than a high school diploma, 60 percent have a prison record (28 months median time served).
So it’s like America’s current war addiction. We have built a massive war machine — one bigger than all the other countries in the world combined — with millions of well-paid defense industry jobs and billions of dollars at stake. With a hammer that big, every foreign policy issue looks like a nail — another bomb to drop, another country to invade, another massive weapons development project to build.
zz dick More Black Men Now in Prison System than Enslaved in 1850Similarly, with such a well-entrenched prison-industrial complex in place — also with a million jobs and billions of dollars at stake — every criminal justice issue also looks like a nail — another prison sentence to pass down, another third strike to enforce, another prison to build in some job-starved small town, another chance at a better life to deny.
Alexander, who drew her early inspiration from Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., devotes the last part of “The New Jim Crow” to steps people can take to combat this gross injustice. In particular, she recommended supporting the Drug Policy Alliance. At the book signing afterwards, Dr. Anthony Samad recruited Michelle Alexander to appear this fall at one his Urban Issues Forums, typically held at the California African American Museum next to USC.
It is patriotic when you are cheering for the USA in an international competition. This was a match-up between 2 American teams.
Do you really think they were cheering to be patriotic?
Poverty has nothing to do with race today. My black female manager at work said herself she knows she was promoted because she is a black female woman and she has no problem with it. At my job, women get promoted faster than men, especially if they are anything but white because the business is too afraid of being accused of discrimination. She said herself there are many black women living off welfare that could do the same thing she did but are to lazy and just want to live of the welfare system. Now if a black woman can see this why can’t you?
On the other hand I believe there are people that were dealt a bad hand and have a harder time taking care of themselves like the mentally ill or people with learning disabilities to name a few. These people should have help. However, no one that is physically and mentally fit should be on any assistance at all. It is all about the choices one makes for there selves.
I think class discrimination is the problem of today.
Why do you think these people broke the law that landed them in jail? Bad choices? No one put them in there but them selves.
I do believe there should be more wealthy people in prison because I feel the law should be the same for everyone. It should not matter that you can afford a good lawyer (one with connections to judges).
Class discrimination? In America? Does America have a class system? That's the first I've heard of it.
As for blacks getting a better deal than whites, this flies in the face of all the evidence, despite the odd exception to that rule, such as the experience of your boss.
Does it matter? You said it, both teams were from the USA. Who could be offended by that? Even if one team had more Latino players than the other, sounds like they are pulling at straws. Sounds to me like the parents or school officials from the latino school are making a racist case where there might not be one. I would assume that the latino players could be American just as much as the white players could be. But that's just me.
9/29/04 Boston, 6/28/08 Mansfield, 8/23/09 Chicago, 5/15/10 Hartford
5/17/10 Boston, 10/15/13 Worcester, 10/16/13 Worcester, 10/25/13 Hartford
8/5/16 Fenway, 8/7/16 Fenway
EV Solo: 6/16/11 Boston, 6/18/11 Hartford,
I think it does matter if the opposing team or any member from that team was offended. I would be bothered if I was on that team.....would you be offended if this happened to your team?
peace
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Both my kids left to finish in home school ... they were made miserable.
My kids were not racially divided but the same could not be said about a lot of the new kids.
They had changed the ruling powers and allowed parents to choose schools out of their district
as long as they could provide their own transportation.
This brought many groups of kids from other schools ...
schools from tougher environments, kids already in a established group.
While some great friendships grew that taught my children it's never the color of one's skin
they had lasting trauma at the hands of others also. Such is life.
So the disproportionate number of blacks in poverty doesn't have anything to do with racism that entails lack of opportunity and lack of access to capital, it's because they're lazy?
Kind of surprised at some of the responses in this thread, but I suppose I shouldn't be as there's a lot of people who think the only racism in the U.S. is when a neo-nazi drags someone to their death after chaining them to their car.
They are chanting "USA USA" because they are saying that this is there country, and the Mexican immigrants and children of immigrants (and probably many grandchildren of immigrants) don't belong there. It fits the usual pattern of racism toward immigrants that's been present in the U.S. since the get go. It can't be that hard to figure out why this is offensive.
So I guess we shouldn't sing the National Anthem before sporting events anymore between two American teams because we might offend immigrants. :roll:
9/29/04 Boston, 6/28/08 Mansfield, 8/23/09 Chicago, 5/15/10 Hartford
5/17/10 Boston, 10/15/13 Worcester, 10/16/13 Worcester, 10/25/13 Hartford
8/5/16 Fenway, 8/7/16 Fenway
EV Solo: 6/16/11 Boston, 6/18/11 Hartford,
Do you think the crowd would have done the USA chant if the opposing team was all white?
Ummm, no. When everyone in the arena/gym, recent immigrants and 6th generation immigrants, are invited to stand and sing a patriotic song, that is way different then what happened in this situation. The announcer doesn't say before the anthem, "will all white people of Northern European descent please stand and sing our National Anthem". What happened was racism, why is that hard to admit?
Really?
Because when as a minority I stand up for myself, many people here - yourself included - have shouted me down, attacked me, told me you don't care about any of my issues, told me I should shut up and called me names I can't repeat.
So which is it? :roll: :?: