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  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    I understand it was pretty close in Michigan for a while
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    :clap:

    Romney Paul 2012!

    I know I'm a dreamer...
  • RW81233RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    is their going to be a thread change to "mitt didn't win michigan american reblicans are fucking crazy" in a few weeks?
  • green mountain mangreen mountain man Posts: 735
    Santorum and Gingrich 2012
    I miss Laural and Hardy
  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    pandora wrote:
    :clap:

    Romney Paul 2012!

    I know I'm a dreamer...

    I wouldn't vote for that. The Vice President has as much say in things as the president allows.
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    pandora wrote:
    :clap:

    Romney Paul 2012!

    I know I'm a dreamer...
    I think this would be Ron Paul selling out... Would he be able to implement ANY of his proposed policies under Romney? Romney would fundamentally be at most slightly to the right of Obama.
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    keeponrockin wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    :clap:

    Romney Paul 2012!

    I know I'm a dreamer...
    I think this would be Ron Paul selling out... Would he be able to implement ANY of his proposed policies under Romney? Romney would fundamentally be at most slightly to the right of Obama.

    No, none of Paul's policies would be implemented. The vice president is utterly powerless unless the president gives him the power. His greatest power is to be the deciding vote in the senate if it's a tie and that just doesn't happen.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    well Hillery thinks Obama will win another term personally I hope not,honestly I will not know for sure who I vote for right up intill I get ready to got to the polls ..I have a few I am thinking about but I like to watch and learn while the race is at full speed to see how they act when the chips are down and voting begins, it sounds crazy but that's the way I do it.

    Godfather.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    does that mean Hillary and I agree on something :?

    Thinking this is Ron's last hooray ... VP ain't bad
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    with this being as close as it was, this could be considered a victory for santorum. romney had weeks and weeks to put him away in his home state, but he barely eeked it out. romney needed a thorough beat down in michigan. with super tuesday coming up a lot of southern states are voting and gingrich might make some headway and get back into this thing. this is not over yet. romney needed a knockout punch and did not get it last night.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    with this being as close as it was, this could be considered a victory for santorum. romney had weeks and weeks to put him away in his home state, but he barely eeked it out. romney needed a thorough beat down in michigan. with super tuesday coming up a lot of southern states are voting and gingrich might make some headway and get back into this thing. this is not over yet. romney needed a knockout punch and did not get it last night.

    I hate to ask but...any predictions for the top spots at the polls ? I know it's a wild race and anything can happen but you seem to be on top of all this .

    Godfather.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,495
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    with this being as close as it was, this could be considered a victory for santorum. romney had weeks and weeks to put him away in his home state, but he barely eeked it out. romney needed a thorough beat down in michigan. with super tuesday coming up a lot of southern states are voting and gingrich might make some headway and get back into this thing. this is not over yet. romney needed a knockout punch and did not get it last night.

    10% of the votes were democrats. 50% of them voted for Santorum. My math says that's 5% of the vote that is picking the guy they want to face in november...which is actually an anti-vote.

    Romney did not need a knock out punch, that is crazy. He just needs to keep winning. He's going to get it done.

    I'll bet you $10,000 Mitt's the nominee. ;)
    hippiemom = goodness
  • RW81233RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    if you win the bet which cadillac will you have your wife drive you in to pick it up while you complain about your down financial year of $370k plus?
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    For the amount of money they make they are quite frugal in their car choices
    really

    isn't every candidate red or blue wealthy?
  • RW81233RW81233 Posts: 2,393
    yeah it's just some are more asshole about it than others
  • inlet13inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    keeponrockin wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    :clap:

    Romney Paul 2012!

    I know I'm a dreamer...
    I think this would be Ron Paul selling out... Would he be able to implement ANY of his proposed policies under Romney? Romney would fundamentally be at most slightly to the right of Obama.


    Why would this be Ron Paul selling out? He would have much more say as VP then as a Senator.

    Would any of his policies be implemented? I'd say - yes, I think he would get an audit of the Fed. In my opinion, that's his most touted policy proposal.
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  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    inlet13 wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    :clap:

    Romney Paul 2012!

    I know I'm a dreamer...
    I think this would be Ron Paul selling out... Would he be able to implement ANY of his proposed policies under Romney? Romney would fundamentally be at most slightly to the right of Obama.


    Why would this be Ron Paul selling out? He would have much more say as VP then as a Senator.

    Would any of his policies be implemented? I'd say - yes, I think he would get an audit of the Fed. In my opinion, that's his most touted policy proposal.

    I completely disagree with you. The Vice President has such a minuscule amount of say and trust me, I have studied this. It's really up to the President how involved he wants his VP and I personally do not see Romney giving Paul much of a say in anything. It's a huge loss of status and say especially if you are a tenured Senator.
  • keeponrockinkeeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    inlet13 wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    :clap:

    Romney Paul 2012!

    I know I'm a dreamer...
    I think this would be Ron Paul selling out... Would he be able to implement ANY of his proposed policies under Romney? Romney would fundamentally be at most slightly to the right of Obama.


    Why would this be Ron Paul selling out? He would have much more say as VP then as a Senator.

    Would any of his policies be implemented? I'd say - yes, I think he would get an audit of the Fed. In my opinion, that's his most touted policy proposal.
    If he could, more power to him.

    I don't see it happening. Would auditing the fed help or hurt Romney's business interests?
    Believe me, when I was growin up, I thought the worst thing you could turn out to be was normal, So I say freaks in the most complementary way. Here's a song by a fellow freak - E.V
  • inlet13inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    peacefrompaul wrote:

    I completely disagree with you. The Vice President has such a minuscule amount of say and trust me, I have studied this. It's really up to the President how involved he wants his VP and I personally do not see Romney giving Paul much of a say in anything. It's a huge loss of status and say especially if you are a tenured Senator.


    ha ha ha... I guess that's why so many Senators have taken the VP position. No offense, but I don't care whether you studied it or not. It's without a doubt not a loss of status. That's hysterical.

    Anyway, I remember hearing a lot of folks say Cheney ran the White House.
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  • inlet13inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    edited February 2012
    keeponrockin wrote:
    If he could, more power to him.

    I don't see it happening. Would auditing the fed help or hurt Romney's business interests?

    To be real, I don't see him being chosen as the VP. But, I think Paul would take it in a heartbeat if it was offered. The only reason Romney would choose Paul, in my opinion, is Paul gets youth vote and brings excitement with him OR he needs his delegates. That said, their differences on war would be difficult to handle in an election.

    As for would auditing the Fed help or hurt Romney's business interests? I think it could help actually. But, that's my opinion. I'm not really sure who supports Romney, but I know the largest bond holder in the world supports Ron Paul. There is business reason to support someone who's anti-inflation.
    Post edited by inlet13 on
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    RW81233 wrote:
    yeah it's just some are more asshole about it than others
    yes Clinton showed his true colors also
    here in Atlanta when he helped condemn 93 small business properties
    so he could make a fortune, ours being one.
    This forcing us to move just before 911, huge financial blow upon blow
    for us .... so he could make a fortune.

    Bottom line wealth and acquiring more is important to many human beings
    and some become less human because of it.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Godfather. wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    with this being as close as it was, this could be considered a victory for santorum. romney had weeks and weeks to put him away in his home state, but he barely eeked it out. romney needed a thorough beat down in michigan. with super tuesday coming up a lot of southern states are voting and gingrich might make some headway and get back into this thing. this is not over yet. romney needed a knockout punch and did not get it last night.

    I hate to ask but...any predictions for the top spots at the polls ? I know it's a wild race and anything can happen but you seem to be on top of all this .

    Godfather.
    i can't make any predictions because, as we have seen, anything can happen. santorum is surging,, but keeps sticking his foot in his mouth. paul is not getting higher than high teens, gingrich is just being gingrich, and romney has at least one gaffe a day lately AND needs money. he basically begged for money in his victory speech last night. for some reason republicans have a serious problem with romney. he has been the presumed nominee for over a year and he can not get over 30% support in national polls. it is facinating to me.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    cincybearcat wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    with this being as close as it was, this could be considered a victory for santorum. romney had weeks and weeks to put him away in his home state, but he barely eeked it out. romney needed a thorough beat down in michigan. with super tuesday coming up a lot of southern states are voting and gingrich might make some headway and get back into this thing. this is not over yet. romney needed a knockout punch and did not get it last night.

    10% of the votes were democrats. 50% of them voted for Santorum. My math says that's 5% of the vote that is picking the guy they want to face in november...which is actually an anti-vote.

    Romney did not need a knock out punch, that is crazy. He just needs to keep winning. He's going to get it done.

    I'll bet you $10,000 Mitt's the nominee. ;)
    i never liked it when dems vote in gop primaries and vice versa. it just reeks of tampering and shenanigans to me.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    inlet13 wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:

    I completely disagree with you. The Vice President has such a minuscule amount of say and trust me, I have studied this. It's really up to the President how involved he wants his VP and I personally do not see Romney giving Paul much of a say in anything. It's a huge loss of status and say especially if you are a tenured Senator.


    ha ha ha... I guess that's why so many Senators have taken the VP position. No offense, but I don't care whether you studied it or not. It's without a doubt not a loss of status. That's hysterical.

    Anyway, I remember hearing a lot of folks say Cheney ran the White House.

    It certainly is. Biden was very hesitant to take the office, " fearing that he would suffer a loss in status, and in voice, from his role as a Senate baron".

    Cheney ran the white house because Bush let him. That's partially why we had the tragedy that was the Bush White House. Would you rather be a part of legislation or go to funerals? You get as much as the president gives.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    I think it would be a great move and a great fit and office for Ron Paul
    his exit is soon, nice spot if you can't ever be the President

    he would bring a whole bunch of votes and maybe a different voice to the White House

    don't the wives get along famously too?
  • inlet13inlet13 Posts: 1,979
    peacefrompaul wrote:
    inlet13 wrote:
    peacefrompaul wrote:

    I completely disagree with you. The Vice President has such a minuscule amount of say and trust me, I have studied this. It's really up to the President how involved he wants his VP and I personally do not see Romney giving Paul much of a say in anything. It's a huge loss of status and say especially if you are a tenured Senator.


    ha ha ha... I guess that's why so many Senators have taken the VP position. No offense, but I don't care whether you studied it or not. It's without a doubt not a loss of status. That's hysterical.

    Anyway, I remember hearing a lot of folks say Cheney ran the White House.

    It certainly is. Biden was very hesitant to take the office, " fearing that he would suffer a loss in status, and in voice, from his role as a Senate baron".

    Cheney ran the white house because Bush let him. That's partially why we had the tragedy that was the Bush White House. Would you rather be a part of legislation or go to funerals? You get as much as the president gives.


    Vice President is President of the Senate. Biden took the job, I don't care if he said he was hesitant or not. He took it. No offense, but your argument there is pretty naive.

    I agree with your latter point that the VP is constrained by the President's will, but nonetheless, the VP is there, present and in the conversation on policy. That's all Paul really wants. He wants to influence the party's platform. He could do a lot more of that by being VP then Senator.

    The truth is, there's a large portion of people who wouldn't want Romney or Paul to do this simply because they don't want Obama to lose. A Romney/Paul ticket would steal a lot of liberal/moderate votes, and move the Republican ticket to the center.

    All that said, I'd prefer Paul wins the nomination and chooses his own VP. But, I'd definitely support any ticket with Paul.
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    :lol:

    this is funny...rather than debate the positive merits of Mittens(I'm guess there are some, the only one I'm aware of is "he's not O-bama") folks are focused on the infallible Dr. P as is VP...

    :lol:
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Mitt is more middle more center so that's a fit for me but his speeches so far haven't
    tugged, tugged at my heart, same for his presence.

    Obama always has that tug going on ... was he groomed for that tug?
    It's the tug that will get him back in ... my opinion

    But that's where Ron comes in ... his got tug too big time and just makes one smile
    When Romney/ Paul were together at one point on TV they looked right
    I think they were ganging up on someone ... :lol: double teaming them
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    with this being as close as it was, this could be considered a victory for santorum. romney had weeks and weeks to put him away in his home state, but he barely eeked it out. romney needed a thorough beat down in michigan. with super tuesday coming up a lot of southern states are voting and gingrich might make some headway and get back into this thing. this is not over yet. romney needed a knockout punch and did not get it last night.

    I hate to ask but...any predictions for the top spots at the polls ? I know it's a wild race and anything can happen but you seem to be on top of all this .

    Godfather.
    i can't make any predictions because, as we have seen, anything can happen. santorum is surging,, but keeps sticking his foot in his mouth. paul is not getting higher than high teens, gingrich is just being gingrich, and romney has at least one gaffe a day lately AND needs money. he basically begged for money in his victory speech last night. for some reason republicans have a serious problem with romney. he has been the presumed nominee for over a year and he can not get over 30% support in national polls. it is facinating to me.

    this race seems to be a little more ..sticky and competive in a way than I remember in the past elections.
    thanks for the reply Gimmi.

    Godfather.
  • peacefrompaulpeacefrompaul Posts: 25,293
    inlet13 wrote:


    Vice President is President of the Senate. Biden took the job, I don't care if he said he was hesitant or not. He took it. No offense, but your argument there is pretty naive.

    I agree with your latter point that the VP is constrained by the President's will, but nonetheless, the VP is there, present and in the conversation on policy. That's all Paul really wants. He wants to influence the party's platform. He could do a lot more of that by being VP then Senator.

    The truth is, there's a large portion of people who wouldn't want Romney or Paul to do this simply because they don't want Obama to lose. A Romney/Paul ticket would steal a lot of liberal/moderate votes, and move the Republican ticket to the center.

    All that said, I'd prefer Paul wins the nomination and chooses his own VP. But, I'd definitely support any ticket with Paul.

    I admire your choice for the office, I'm also a Paul supporter and I understand he would be there and would be a voice (Maybe). With Romney? I just don't see him getting to use it much and that's just my thought. I think you are a little ignorant as to what president of the senate entitles you. You get to vote if there is a tie. Ties are incredibly rare. The modern VP rarely even presides over the Senate. He can influence legislation, I guess. Doesn't mean the Senators would listen to him. A lot of people don't even know who Joe Biden is.

    Thanks for the input.
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