the president must smoke marijuana

lukin2006

chadwick wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

anyone have netflix...some excellent documentaries on the magic plant...

aka tommy chong
how weed won the west
grass - narrated by woody (the dude off cheers)

and a couple others where the name escapes me.

i love woody harrelson

i will look this up.

edit...
is this it?
http://youtu.be/VLeXKU4lgTs

the one with woody is called grass...how weed won the west is excellent as well.

lukin2006

the worst part of this whole debate is...most of the politicians have grown up with pot, many have tried it and they know from personnel experience it doesn't lead to a less productive life...it's only illegal because of the lobbying effort.

Drowned Out

lukin2006 wrote:

the worst part of this whole debate is...most of the politicians have grown up with pot, many have tried it and they know from personnel experience it doesn't lead to a less productive life...it's only illegal because of the lobbying effort.

no shit.

"when I was a kid, I inhaled...frequently...that was the point" Barack Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpBzQI_7ez8
And yet he managed to become president one day...

Government officials laugh about it as if it's no big deal...they acknowledge past use as if it's no big deal....but they won't support decriminalization - if they're in power....sometimes they support it if they're in an opposition partiy. They use it for political gain only, because they're beholden to the prohibtion system structure/lobby....Not many politicians can gain any real, visible traction against that structure. ( We had one, but he was taken from us just as he gained a stage worthy of his integrity :()

Meanwhile, the US maintains the most populated (FOR PROFIT) prison system on the planet, with HALF it's prisoners there for marijuana. And the talkng heads just sit and make jokes about it not being a big deal, everyone has done it, etc...instead of uh...maybe mentioning the hypocrisy of frequent past use while supporting prohibition? Pointing out the prison stats?

Knowing the politicians and media won't stand up to it, the mostly silent public majority becomes perhaps the most hypocritical of all. So many admit the policy is flat out wrong....but they have too much to lose, or something better to do than fight for 'a pothead's right to smoke'. It should be a bigger public priority than it is.....a majority of Canadians have favoured reforms for decades now......yet the Cons are going hardline, media is not rabid enough, if not complicit, and the public seems way too indifferent. We're headed down the superprison highway.

Drowned Out

brianlux wrote:

Willie Nelson is said to have smoke a joint on top of the White House during president Carter's administration. Maybe Willie would be willing to drop by for a visit with Obama.

Willie Nelson is an american treasure
And thanks to you, I had this song in my head first thing this morning:

Clutch - Wille Nelson

Blackjack booted demons
Have surrounded my home
Got dogs and 'copters
and keep ringing my phone

Well I don't know if I'm coming or going
If it's them or me
Oh, but one things for certain
Willie Nelson only smokes killer weed

Now they're breaking my windows
Banging on my doors
Got me down and hog-tied
Rifling through my drawers
Boss demon tells me
Oh how he would like to kill me
Save your bullets tough guy
My disease does that for free

Well I don't know if I'm coming or going
If it's them or me
Oh, but one things for certain
Willie Nelson only smokes killer weed

Drowned Out

lukin2006 wrote:

chadwick wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

anyone have netflix...some excellent documentaries on the magic plant...

aka tommy chong
how weed won the west
grass - narrated by woody (the dude off cheers)

and a couple others where the name escapes me.

i love woody harrelson

i will look this up.

edit...
is this it?
http://youtu.be/VLeXKU4lgTs

the one with woody is called grass...how weed won the west is excellent as well.

GRASS - the History of Marijuana

The Union - The Business Behind Getting High .

Cannabiz is also good - a CBC doc, centred around Grand Forks BC, and some very cool people

There are a TON of documentaries on the topic...and virtually all of them reach the same conclusions.
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/category/drugs/

Drowned Out

Another good article in the Citizen- the one posted by lukin2006 in the legalize drugs?? thread was also a good read from that paper.


Pot legalization activists caught in a 'cannabis conundrum'
Douglas Quan
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/legal ... story.html

About 75 years ago, parliamentarians sounded the alarm over an emerging "menace" — marijuana — that if left unchecked, could have "far-reaching, poisonous and demoralizing effects" on the country's youth, according to debate records.

A front-page Globe and Mail article from 1937 said the "narcotic evil" had the potential to cause insanity and turn "quiet, respectable youths into raving murderers."

How far we've come.

Today, marijuana is accepted as a medical treatment. Stores peddle all forms of paraphernalia, from ganja party games to bong cleaners. And some groups are lobbying to end pot prohibition altogether.

Even though the Harper government remains firmly opposed, the pro-legalization movement has picked up some allies in recent weeks. A majority of Liberal party delegates voted to support legalization at their convention and four former attorneys general in British Columbia came forward to declare prohibition a "failure," joining groups of police officers, provincial health officers, academics and politicians who've done the same.

A trending topic on Twitter last week was #IfWeedWereLegal.

But it's not all high-fives and hookah parties on the pro-legalization front. Activists acknowledge deep divisions within the movement over what the best post-prohibition model should be.

Should there be heavy government restrictions on production, distribution and consumption, or a hippie-dippy free-for-all? Control in the hands of a few or open to everyone?

"There is a lot of division among activists regarding what model should replace prohibition. Many relationships have been strained because of it, too, unfortunately," said Vancouver activist Jodie Emery, wife of the "Prince of Pot," Marc Emery. "Even some of my own friends and I strongly disagree about where to go from here.

"It's a cannabis conundrum."

There are a lot of things members of the movement agree on.

They concur that prohibition has failed because it has created a black market, overrun by violent gang members and because the drug's availability and consumption — including among teenagers — has not fallen, despite billions of dollars spent on enforcement.

They agree that legalization is a better way to go because police resources would be freed up to deal with more serious crimes and that it would boost tax revenues.

They firmly reject doomsday scenarios trotted out by the anti-legalization crowd. No, there won't be a sudden decline in workplace productivity. No, park benches won't be suddenly awash with people high on dope.

Sure, there might be a bit of a spike in consumption at the beginning.

Vapour lounges and Netherlands-style cannabis cafes could open up, as well as schools offering pot-entrepreneur and cultivation classes. No doubt, there will be growth in secondary and tertiary industries, such as vaporization-device manufacturing and "bud and breakfasts."

But day to day, the average citizen won't see all that much difference, activists say.

"I don't think that things would change that much on the street," said Eugene Oscapella, an Ottawa lawyer and member of the Canadian Drug Policy Coalition. "People will smoke, eat a little more than now and will be a bit more visible, but . . . it is primarily about pulling back the curtain than creating a new play."

Stephen Easton, a professor of economics at Simon Fraser University, who has studied the subject, agrees.

"While it may become popular, it will share the consumption spectrum with all our other intoxicants and be relegated to one vice among many. Legal and widespread, but hardly dominant," he said.

But what our society will look like if pot becomes legal — and how visible marijuana will be — will depend to a large extent on what sorts of regulations lawmakers impose. And within the pro-legalization movement, members are all over the map when it comes to which blueprint is best.

Vancouver activist David Malmo-Levine, who many years ago, fought the constitutionality of prohibition laws all the way to the Supreme Court of Canada and lost, envisions a marijuana industry modelled after the wine industry in B.C.'s Okanagan Valley — lots of commercial growers of varying sizes, producing hundreds of varieties.

A post-prohibition world, he says, has to be one that is inclusive, doesn't deny consumers a variety of choices of strains and potencies, and doesn't push aside companies and private citizens who want a piece of the commercial pie.

"This is of value to those who wish to reduce unemployment and share the wealth," he said. "I want a ma-and-pa-friendly form of legalization."

It's fine to want to spread the wealth, says legalization supporter Line Beauchesne, a criminology professor at the University of Ottawa. But you also need stringent regulations to ensure the quality of the product.

Her main concern? Big companies — with deep pockets — will try to lobby the government to water down regulations. Look at the example of big tobacco, she said.

"The tobacco industry showed us that a plant can be totally transformed to enlarge the clientele and transformed to create a more addictive drug."

A similar debate exists over how marijuana should be distributed. While some activists, such as Malmo-Levine, favour making licences available to everyone, others say restrictions are needed.

Beauchesne thinks marijuana only should be sold through government-run drug stores. That's the best way to prevent access to children and to ensure proper training for vendors, she said.

Mark Haden, a Vancouver author and educator on drug policy, prescribes an even more restrictive model. He envisions government-run apothecaries that are hospital-clean with a low-key street presence. Advertising would be banned, and so would any form of branding on product packages.

In the U.S., where 16 states now allow some form of medical marijuana, some dispensaries have reportedly turned to bikini-clad models and buxom "budtenders" in newspaper ads and YouTube videos to draw attention to their weed-related wares.

Marijuana is not something that should be glamorized, Haden said. In fact, the goal should be to make marijuana look as "boring" as possible.

Like prescription pill bottles, marijuana packaging should provide plain information about concentration, dosage and strain, and warning labels to not smoke and drive.

"Our history with alcohol is problematic as alcohol is a branded product which is advertised and glamorized. We receive many contradictory messages about alcohol, based on the different agendas of the different players," he said.

"Having an apothecary model would allow for a fresh start without contamination of the pro-consumption model."

But Toronto activist Matthew Mernagh, who favours distribution of marijuana through outlets modelled after provincial liquor stores (instead of the Liquor Control Board of Ontario, there could be a Cannabis Control Board of Ontario, for instance), said he is not opposed to product branding or advertising.

In fact, Mernagh, who is in the midst of a court battle over the country's medical-marijuana laws, said one day he would love to mass-produce a strain of marijuana and market the heck out of it.

"We'd probably put my face on it," he laughed, adding that his TV ads could be modelled after Russell Oliver, the Toronto cash-for-gold business owner known for running cheesy, low-budget commercials.

"If you can't have fun with marijuana on some levels, it'd make my life miserable," he said.

But Mernagh added that some profits could be re-directed to drug awareness and media literacy campaigns.

One illustration of how heated the debate within the legalization movement could get was seen in 2010. Californians were voting on a historic ballot measure that would allow individuals to possess and grow small amounts of marijuana and local governments to tax and regulate the drug's cultivation and sale.

Jodie Emery flew to Oakland, the epicentre of the Proposition 19 initiative, to rally supporters, excitedly telling people that visitors to the state could soon "Go to Disneyland" and "Go to a cannabis cafe."

But back in Vancouver, fellow activist Malmo-Levine was using social media to denounce the initiative, calling it "fake legalization."

Malmo-Levine says he opposed the measure because it would have placed too many restrictions on who could grow and distribute marijuana. Instead of "legalization for all," it would've been legalization for a "lucky few."

His comments didn't sit well with other activists, who called him a "turncoat" and a "traitor." Some even suggested he was opposed to Prop. 19 because he was making money in the black-market economy.

There are a raft of other issues that lawmakers will have to decide if Canada ever pursues legalization: What environmental regulations should be imposed on cultivation? What should the tax rate be? What age restrictions should be imposed? Should personal grows be allowed? What restrictions should be imposed on outdoor and indoor use? How do we deal with the potential influx of "narco tourists?" And should we erase the criminal records of those previously convicted of pot possession?

No doubt, the transition to a post-prohibition world will be slow, and there'll be lots of experimentation between provinces, experts say.

"I don't mind being initially strict on it out of an abundance of caution," and then maybe easing up over time, said Oscapella, the Ottawa lawyer.

Emery admits she's torn. She understands the point of view of "old-school" activists who want limited regulation. At the same time, she realizes that the only way prohibition is going to be lifted is if grassroots activists work with "establishment" types to reach a solution, which may mean they don't get everything they want at the beginning.

"We're not going to legalize by holding 4-20 rallies every year," she said, referring to the annual holiday when pot lovers gather to celebrate cannabis.

Serving a five-year sentence in the U.S. for selling marijuana seeds online, Emery's husband, Marc, via email, echoed the need for accommodation from all sides.

While he still believes the ideal model of legalization is one with "no controls" on who may cultivate and distribute cannabis or how much they can grow, he also recognizes that progress in politics is incremental.

"So, we chip away at the absolute prohibition in whatever way is politically feasible," he said.

Of course, wouldn't it be ironic if, after all the effort to make legalization a reality, no one bothered to smoke it anymore, one Twitter poster hypothesized last week.

"No fun in doing something you can't get in trouble for, right?"

Read more: http://www.canada.com/legalization+acti ... z1nR6N5kqF

lukin2006

Drowned Out wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

the worst part of this whole debate is...most of the politicians have grown up with pot, many have tried it and they know from personnel experience it doesn't lead to a less productive life...it's only illegal because of the lobbying effort.

no shit.

"when I was a kid, I inhaled...frequently...that was the point" Barack Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpBzQI_7ez8
And yet he managed to become president one day...

Government officials laugh about it as if it's no big deal...they acknowledge past use as if it's no big deal....but they won't support decriminalization - if they're in power....sometimes they support it if they're in an opposition partiy. They use it for political gain only, because they're beholden to the prohibtion system structure/lobby....Not many politicians can gain any real, visible traction against that structure. ( We had one, but he was taken from us just as he gained a stage worthy of his integrity :()

Meanwhile, the US maintains the most populated (FOR PROFIT) prison system on the planet, with HALF it's prisoners there for marijuana. And the talkng heads just sit and make jokes about it not being a big deal, everyone has done it, etc...instead of uh...maybe mentioning the hypocrisy of frequent past use while supporting prohibition? Pointing out the prison stats?

Knowing the politicians and media won't stand up to it, the mostly silent public majority becomes perhaps the most hypocritical of all. So many admit the policy is flat out wrong....but they have too much to lose, or something better to do than fight for 'a pothead's right to smoke'. It should be a bigger public priority than it is.....a majority of Canadians have favoured reforms for decades now......yet the Cons are going hardline, media is not rabid enough, if not complicit, and the public seems way too indifferent. We're headed down the superprison highway.

I agree it should be a bigger priority...especially since it being proven to offer major health benefits.

lukin2006

Drowned Out wrote:

Another good article in the Citizen- the one posted by lukin2006 in the legalize drugs?? thread was also a good read from that paper.


Pot legalization activists caught in a 'cannabis conundrum'
Douglas Quan
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/legal ... story.html

About 75 years ago, parliamentarians sounded the alarm over an emerging "menace" — marijuana — that if left unchecked, could have "far-reaching, poisonous and demoralizing effects" on the country's youth, according to debate records.

A front-page Globe and Mail article from 1937 said the "narcotic evil" had the potential to cause insanity and turn "quiet, respectable youths into raving murderers."

How far we've come.

Today, marijuana is accepted as a medical treatment. Stores peddle all forms of paraphernalia, from ganja party games to bong cleaners. And some groups are lobbying to end pot prohibition altogether.

Even though the Harper government remains firmly opposed, the pro-legalization movement has picked up some allies in recent weeks. A majority of Liberal party delegates voted to support legalization at their convention and four former attorneys general in British Columbia came forward to declare prohibition a "failure," joining groups of police officers, provincial health officers, academics and politicians who've done the same.

A trending topic on Twitter last week was #IfWeedWereLegal.

But it's not all high-fives and hookah parties on the pro-legalization front. Activists acknowledge deep divisions within the movement over what the best post-prohibition model should be.

Should there be heavy government restrictions on production, distribution and consumption, or a hippie-dippy free-for-all? Control in the hands of a few or open to everyone?

"There is a lot of division among activists regarding what model should replace prohibition. Many relationships have been strained because of it, too, unfortunately," said Vancouver activist Jodie Emery, wife of the "Prince of Pot," Marc Emery. "Even some of my own friends and I strongly disagree about where to go from here.

"It's a cannabis conundrum."

There are a lot of things members of the movement agree on.

They concur that prohibition has failed because it has created a black market, overrun by violent gang members and because the drug's availability and consumption — including among teenagers — has not fallen, despite billions of dollars spent on enforcement.

They agree that legalization is a better way to go because police resources would be freed up to deal with more serious crimes and that it would boost tax revenues.

They firmly reject doomsday scenarios trotted out by the anti-legalization crowd. No, there won't be a sudden decline in workplace productivity. No, park benches won't be suddenly awash with people high on dope.

Sure, there might be a bit of a spike in consumption at the beginning.

Vapour lounges and Netherlands-style cannabis cafes could open up, as well as schools offering pot-entrepreneur and cultivation classes. No doubt, there will be growth in secondary and tertiary industries, such as vaporization-device manufacturing and "bud and breakfasts."

But day to day, the average citizen won't see all that much difference, activists say.

"I don't think that things would change that much on the street," said Eugene Oscapella, an Ottawa lawyer and member of the Canadian Drug Policy Coalition. "People will smoke, eat a little more than now and will be a bit more visible, but . . . it is primarily about pulling back the curtain than creating a new play."

Stephen Easton, a professor of economics at Simon Fraser University, who has studied the subject, agrees.

"While it may become popular, it will share the consumption spectrum with all our other intoxicants and be relegated to one vice among many. Legal and widespread, but hardly dominant," he said.

But what our society will look like if pot becomes legal — and how visible marijuana will be — will depend to a large extent on what sorts of regulations lawmakers impose. And within the pro-legalization movement, members are all over the map when it comes to which blueprint is best.

Vancouver activist David Malmo-Levine, who many years ago, fought the constitutionality of prohibition laws all the way to the Supreme Court of Canada and lost, envisions a marijuana industry modelled after the wine industry in B.C.'s Okanagan Valley — lots of commercial growers of varying sizes, producing hundreds of varieties.

A post-prohibition world, he says, has to be one that is inclusive, doesn't deny consumers a variety of choices of strains and potencies, and doesn't push aside companies and private citizens who want a piece of the commercial pie.

"This is of value to those who wish to reduce unemployment and share the wealth," he said. "I want a ma-and-pa-friendly form of legalization."

It's fine to want to spread the wealth, says legalization supporter Line Beauchesne, a criminology professor at the University of Ottawa. But you also need stringent regulations to ensure the quality of the product.

Her main concern? Big companies — with deep pockets — will try to lobby the government to water down regulations. Look at the example of big tobacco, she said.

"The tobacco industry showed us that a plant can be totally transformed to enlarge the clientele and transformed to create a more addictive drug."

A similar debate exists over how marijuana should be distributed. While some activists, such as Malmo-Levine, favour making licences available to everyone, others say restrictions are needed.

Beauchesne thinks marijuana only should be sold through government-run drug stores. That's the best way to prevent access to children and to ensure proper training for vendors, she said.

Mark Haden, a Vancouver author and educator on drug policy, prescribes an even more restrictive model. He envisions government-run apothecaries that are hospital-clean with a low-key street presence. Advertising would be banned, and so would any form of branding on product packages.

In the U.S., where 16 states now allow some form of medical marijuana, some dispensaries have reportedly turned to bikini-clad models and buxom "budtenders" in newspaper ads and YouTube videos to draw attention to their weed-related wares.

Marijuana is not something that should be glamorized, Haden said. In fact, the goal should be to make marijuana look as "boring" as possible.

Like prescription pill bottles, marijuana packaging should provide plain information about concentration, dosage and strain, and warning labels to not smoke and drive.

"Our history with alcohol is problematic as alcohol is a branded product which is advertised and glamorized. We receive many contradictory messages about alcohol, based on the different agendas of the different players," he said.

"Having an apothecary model would allow for a fresh start without contamination of the pro-consumption model."

But Toronto activist Matthew Mernagh, who favours distribution of marijuana through outlets modelled after provincial liquor stores (instead of the Liquor Control Board of Ontario, there could be a Cannabis Control Board of Ontario, for instance), said he is not opposed to product branding or advertising.

In fact, Mernagh, who is in the midst of a court battle over the country's medical-marijuana laws, said one day he would love to mass-produce a strain of marijuana and market the heck out of it.

"We'd probably put my face on it," he laughed, adding that his TV ads could be modelled after Russell Oliver, the Toronto cash-for-gold business owner known for running cheesy, low-budget commercials.

"If you can't have fun with marijuana on some levels, it'd make my life miserable," he said.

But Mernagh added that some profits could be re-directed to drug awareness and media literacy campaigns.

One illustration of how heated the debate within the legalization movement could get was seen in 2010. Californians were voting on a historic ballot measure that would allow individuals to possess and grow small amounts of marijuana and local governments to tax and regulate the drug's cultivation and sale.

Jodie Emery flew to Oakland, the epicentre of the Proposition 19 initiative, to rally supporters, excitedly telling people that visitors to the state could soon "Go to Disneyland" and "Go to a cannabis cafe."

But back in Vancouver, fellow activist Malmo-Levine was using social media to denounce the initiative, calling it "fake legalization."

Malmo-Levine says he opposed the measure because it would have placed too many restrictions on who could grow and distribute marijuana. Instead of "legalization for all," it would've been legalization for a "lucky few."

His comments didn't sit well with other activists, who called him a "turncoat" and a "traitor." Some even suggested he was opposed to Prop. 19 because he was making money in the black-market economy.

There are a raft of other issues that lawmakers will have to decide if Canada ever pursues legalization: What environmental regulations should be imposed on cultivation? What should the tax rate be? What age restrictions should be imposed? Should personal grows be allowed? What restrictions should be imposed on outdoor and indoor use? How do we deal with the potential influx of "narco tourists?" And should we erase the criminal records of those previously convicted of pot possession?

No doubt, the transition to a post-prohibition world will be slow, and there'll be lots of experimentation between provinces, experts say.

"I don't mind being initially strict on it out of an abundance of caution," and then maybe easing up over time, said Oscapella, the Ottawa lawyer.

Emery admits she's torn. She understands the point of view of "old-school" activists who want limited regulation. At the same time, she realizes that the only way prohibition is going to be lifted is if grassroots activists work with "establishment" types to reach a solution, which may mean they don't get everything they want at the beginning.

"We're not going to legalize by holding 4-20 rallies every year," she said, referring to the annual holiday when pot lovers gather to celebrate cannabis.

Serving a five-year sentence in the U.S. for selling marijuana seeds online, Emery's husband, Marc, via email, echoed the need for accommodation from all sides.

While he still believes the ideal model of legalization is one with "no controls" on who may cultivate and distribute cannabis or how much they can grow, he also recognizes that progress in politics is incremental.

"So, we chip away at the absolute prohibition in whatever way is politically feasible," he said.

Of course, wouldn't it be ironic if, after all the effort to make legalization a reality, no one bothered to smoke it anymore, one Twitter poster hypothesized last week.

"No fun in doing something you can't get in trouble for, right?"

Read more: http://www.canada.com/legalization+acti ... z1nR6N5kqF

that's an excellent article...unfortunately legalization won't happen under Harper...

lukin2006

Drowned Out wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

chadwick wrote:

i love woody harrelson

i will look this up.

edit...
is this it?
http://youtu.be/VLeXKU4lgTs

the one with woody is called grass...how weed won the west is excellent as well.

GRASS - the History of Marijuana

The Union - The Business Behind Getting High .

Cannabiz is also good - a CBC doc, centred around Grand Forks BC, and some very cool people

There are a TON of documentaries on the topic...and virtually all of them reach the same conclusions.
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/category/drugs/

going to watch the doc zone one...seen all the others...which are all excellent.

Godfather.

guy's if gets legallized good for you all, I'd probably even agree with legalization of weed but weed only but as for this thread ...it reads like a bunch of stoned teenagers...good grief, really with all the Willy said and Obama said jabber and OP I thought this was a funny rant but you guys are serious arnt you :shock:
you'll never get anything legalized with arguments like this...I'm getting too old for this shit

Godfather.

Drowned Out

Godfather. wrote:

guy's if gets legallized good for you all, I'd probably even agree with legalization of weed but weed only but as for this thread ...it reads like a bunch of stoned teenagers...good grief, really with all the Willy said and Obama said jabber and OP I thought this was a funny rant but you guys are serious arnt you :shock:
you'll never get anything legalized with arguments like this...I'm getting too old for this shit

Godfather.

Yup, you are.
There are some light-heared posts in this thread, yes...this topic def has an aspect of that to it, always does...and it should!
Willy said/Obama said jabber? Wtf are you talking about? Care to comment directly on what was said, instead of your cowardly little jabs that you can twist when challenged on? YOU, with your comment of support for legalization, while throwing stereotypes at people who do something about it, are the exact hypocrite I mentioned in my previous post.

We read like a bunch of stoned teenagers? Your posts always begin a race to the lowest common denominator in every debate.....they read like the meanderings of a semi-literate old man who dropped out before any of his peers started smoking pot...fair enough? we good now? :roll:

What arguments do you disagree with in this thread? Or are you just going to make vague criticisms/trolling comments about the posters in it?

Drowned Out

lukin2006 wrote:

going to watch the doc zone one...seen all the others...which are all excellent.

:thumbup:
It's a good doc. Doesn't really call for any resolutions or anything, more of a snapshot of the industry, and a demonstration of the futility of fighting it.....I was in Grand Forks two summers ago to visit the daughter of the 'marijuana mayor" in the doc (she's an awesome person and close friend)....the place has such a different vibe as it pertains to this topic....love the BC interior, would like to live there again someday.
And you're right about Harper. I hope this robocall thing wakes up the people who haven't already turned on them over their crime and internet bills.

lukin2006

Drowned Out wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

going to watch the doc zone one...seen all the others...which are all excellent.

:thumbup:
It's a good doc. Doesn't really call for any resolutions or anything, more of a snapshot of the industry, and a demonstration of the futility of fighting it.....I was in Grand Forks two summers ago to visit the daughter of the 'marijuana mayor" in the doc (she's an awesome person and close friend)....the place has such a different vibe as it pertains to this topic....love the BC interior, would like to live there again someday.
And you're right about Harper. I hope this robocall thing wakes up the people who haven't already turned on them over their crime and internet bills.

Wife and I watched it...and throughout when they would mention this crop was worth X amount and that crop was worth X amount...I would say to my wife "look at all the tax $$$ the government is missing out on", just goes to show us how dumb the government really is, they'll spend billions on prohibition when they can legalize it, license it, regulate it and tax it...especially at a time when tax revenues are needed.

Just makes no sense at all.

lukin2006

Godfather. wrote:

guy's if gets legallized good for you all, I'd probably even agree with legalization of weed but weed only but as for this thread ...it reads like a bunch of stoned teenagers...good grief, really with all the Willy said and Obama said jabber and OP I thought this was a funny rant but you guys are serious arnt you :shock:
you'll never get anything legalized with arguments like this...I'm getting too old for this shit

Godfather.

Yeah we are serious...

Other than that, what are you talking about???

You do know that many long time cannabis smokers were/are extremely productive...

Science combined with studies are destroying the arguments to keep it illegal.

If it's legal you don't have to smoke it...but your town, state and country will benefit from the much needed tax revenue...and unlike smoking the tax revenue will not be spent on the healthcare of someone getting sick from weed...studies are showing its safer than aspirin.

You know if its legal people aren't going to sit around smoking pot all day , they continue to be productive and live their lives except instead of that cocktail or three at night, they'll have a joint to unwind (which is safer).

Unemployment amongst the drug cartels will rise of course .

brianlux

lukin2006 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

guy's if gets legallized good for you all, I'd probably even agree with legalization of weed but weed only but as for this thread ...it reads like a bunch of stoned teenagers...good grief, really with all the Willy said and Obama said jabber and OP I thought this was a funny rant but you guys are serious arnt you :shock:
you'll never get anything legalized with arguments like this...I'm getting too old for this shit

Godfather.

Yeah we are serious...

Other than that, what are you talking about???

You do know that many long time cannabis smokers were/are extremely productive...

Absolutely. A lot of great music has been created while smoking weed. I'm not saying you have to get stoned to be a good musician but it's use in the creative process is well known. Artist from Lester Young to (yes) Willie Nelson have been regular consumers of weed. Weed doesn't make people unproductive. People who are unproductive make themselves unproductive. Godfather, indulge yourself in a little reminiscent smoke while you enjoy that Taj Mahal set. You might find it sounds even better than you remember!

hedonist

brianlux wrote:

Absolutely. A lot of great music has been created while smoking weed. I'm not saying you have to get stoned to be a good musician but it's use in the creative process is well known. Artist from Lester Young to (yes) Willie Nelson have been regular consumers of weed. Weed doesn't make people unproductive. People who are unproductive make themselves unproductive. Godfather, indulge yourself in a little reminiscent smoke while you enjoy that Taj Mahal set. You might find it sounds even better than you remember!

"See, I think drugs have done some *good* things for us, I really do. And if you don’t believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor: go home tonight and take all your albums, all your tapes, and all your cd’s and burn em’. 'Cause you know what? The musicians who’ve made all that great music that’s enhanced your lives throughout the years...
Real fuckin high on drugs."

--Bill Hicks

peacefrompaul

hedonist wrote:

brianlux wrote:

Absolutely. A lot of great music has been created while smoking weed. I'm not saying you have to get stoned to be a good musician but it's use in the creative process is well known. Artist from Lester Young to (yes) Willie Nelson have been regular consumers of weed. Weed doesn't make people unproductive. People who are unproductive make themselves unproductive. Godfather, indulge yourself in a little reminiscent smoke while you enjoy that Taj Mahal set. You might find it sounds even better than you remember!

"See, I think drugs have done some *good* things for us, I really do. And if you don’t believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor: go home tonight and take all your albums, all your tapes, and all your cd’s and burn em’. 'Cause you know what? The musicians who’ve made all that great music that’s enhanced your lives throughout the years...
Real fuckin high on drugs."

--Bill Hicks

Bill Hicks was hilarious

brianlux

hedonist wrote:

brianlux wrote:

Absolutely. A lot of great music has been created while smoking weed. I'm not saying you have to get stoned to be a good musician but it's use in the creative process is well known. Artist from Lester Young to (yes) Willie Nelson have been regular consumers of weed. Weed doesn't make people unproductive. People who are unproductive make themselves unproductive. Godfather, indulge yourself in a little reminiscent smoke while you enjoy that Taj Mahal set. You might find it sounds even better than you remember!

"See, I think drugs have done some *good* things for us, I really do. And if you don’t believe drugs have done good things for us, do me a favor: go home tonight and take all your albums, all your tapes, and all your cd’s and burn em’. 'Cause you know what? The musicians who’ve made all that great music that’s enhanced your lives throughout the years...
Real fuckin high on drugs."

--Bill Hicks

SweetChildofMine

The dog got a hold of someone's weed here in the house. He passed out for most of the day yesterday. There were nuggets chewed up all over the sofa. He was going gonzo for a little while, like running circles around the kitchen island for about 20 minutes. The person who weed was ate was not so happy.

StillHere

Godfather. wrote:

guy's if gets legallized good for you all, I'd probably even agree with legalization of weed but weed only but as for this thread ...it reads like a bunch of stoned teenagers...good grief, really with all the Willy said and Obama said jabber and OP I thought this was a funny rant but you guys are serious arnt you :shock:
you'll never get anything legalized with arguments like this...I'm getting too old for this shit

Godfather.

awww. Godfather..my friend

Lighten up and go smoke a doobie

Then come on back

Love ya!