Gas prices out of control
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President Obama's re-elect team defended White House energy policy on Sunday as gas prices shoot toward the $4 mark and beyond, a level that could devastate voters' pocketbooks as well as Obama's chances for a second term.
Nationally, gas prices are $3.53 a gallon, up 25 cents since Jan. 1, and likely headed to $4.25 a gallon by late April. Republicans have demanded more oil production at home, as well as building the Keystone XL pipeline across the middle of the U.S. to allow oil from Canada to reach Texas refineries.
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President Obama's re-elect team defended White House energy policy on Sunday as gas prices shoot toward the $4 mark and beyond, a level that could devastate voters' pocketbooks as well as Obama's chances for a second term.
Nationally, gas prices are $3.53 a gallon, up 25 cents since Jan. 1, and likely headed to $4.25 a gallon by late April. Republicans have demanded more oil production at home, as well as building the Keystone XL pipeline across the middle of the U.S. to allow oil from Canada to reach Texas refineries.
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what happened in '08 to lower the prices so drastically? was it election time?
its all a bunch of you know what
jo
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it costs a lot of fucking money to get you that gasoline. put in more oil drills and pipelines? great. let's ruin the planet even quicker than we already are.
don't you blind people see their is no fix to sucking up oil? it will never-ever be cheap ever again.... you are not ever going to save money when dealing with oil fucks. if you truly believe in these folks and the government screwballs that sleep with oil fucks... you're in a bad state of consciousness.
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"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
that was when the bank and auto industries were bailed out, when most of the speculators exited the market, and the worst part of the recession. the economy stalled, people stopped buying everything, so the oil suppliers gave us more oil to cheapen the price. as the economy picks up, the oil suppliers shut off a few spickets to raise the price and maximize profit. drilling in the arctic or building a pipeline from Canada to the Gulf doesn't get us any oil for many years, so it has little to no affect on the market. the news of either would probably knock down the price a few nickels for a few weeks is all. maybe. i don't think obama or any other president has any short-term determination of the price of oil or gas, short of killing people for more of it.
it does suck...i prob agree with chadwich...besides walk, there isn't much we can do...
holy shit man. that was brutal. and i drove teams a lot of the time. that truck rolled 24x7. 80,000 pound truck gets about 5 or 6 miles per gallon. it wasn't pretty. many times i was floored at the price of diesel we had went through and was going through and would be going through in the future. all the boss can do is charge more for delivery fee . and maybe i won't get a raise this year.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
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Gas is still cheaper than water.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
we are not sheep
just because the powers that be have drilled this into your head does not make it so
consider:
bush sr. is close friends and business partners with the bin laden family
mega millionaire oil tycoons
has been since way before any of the osama business started
the oil prices are controlled by supply and demand ... yes
but the supply and demand is controlled by the same powers that be that would have you believe this nonsense
its all about money
NOT about the availability
that being said'
i am all for conservation...110 %
i just don't believe everything that is shoved down my throat
and i know you don't either
jo
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"How I choose to feel is how I am." ~ EV/MMc
"Some people hear their own inner voices with great clearness and they live by what they hear. Such people become crazy, or they become legends." ~ One Stab ~
if we could actually wrap our heads around the amount of crap we consume...I cant even fathom.
There are a few communities in south florida where you'd be amazed if you saw a fuel efficient car. I was in the park the other day and realized that about 90% of the vehicles were huge cadillac escalades, yukons, and Hummers. Folks have a lot of money in some of these parts and gas prices dont bother them , i suppose.
My guy has a 2010 Camaro - doesn't get the best mileage AT ALL - but his commute to work is maybe three miles (and a fun one at that).
My car is 15 years old; work and home are within a mile of eachother. Mileage again, not so great, but I don't drive all that much aside from daily errands and whatnot.
We fill up once a month or so.
So are we the bad guys because of our shitty mileage / fuel inefficiency?
Are we NOT, because of filling up less?
An example of the opposite. One wants to live way out in the suburbs for a nice house and has a 60 mile each way commute but drives a prius. He/she is just as guilty as someone who drives 15 miles but has a hummer.
I live 20 miles away but I bought my house from a relative at a "can't say no price" but my wife's commute is only 8 miles so it works out.
no worries, the people on this forum are under the impression that gas/oil will no longer be needed one day...wrong ! not in our life time. drive what you want and can afford that's your right as an American
Godfather.
That is a good point. its all about how much we consume in the long run too.
BUT, I think with the options that are coming out (and in the future), you'd still be doing a good thing if you we able to purchase an automobile that got even better gas mileage. What if ever single person was able to increase their mileage per gallon? What a difference that would make.
I'm actually surprised though at some of the mpg capabilities of a lot of new cars. That camaro isnt terrible..especially compared to the previous model. I suppose its good that there are mpg regulations that car manufacturers have to follow. Many are boosting their mpg very nicely.
they made $7.6 BILLION last quarter
never fear, newt has a plan for $2.50/gal gas :roll:
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iran cutting off supplies hurts them as much as anyone else. it makes no sense to voluntarily hurt your own economy to spite other nations. and iran supplies a very small percentage (i'd have to look up the actual number) of oil to us.
and the general american public, including myself, is not going to voluntarily change their oil and gas habits. fact is there isn't a much cheaper or more convenient alternative to the general american consumer at this point. until it becomes easier and more convenient we will be reliant on gas and oil.
great post ! so true.
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"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
if you really want to be green, don't have kids. a study by Oregon State U showed that by having a ONE kid you increase your carbon footprint by a factor of FORTY-TWO times!!!
(yes, i have a kid... but only one! lol)
the down fall of this country is all the traffic and fuel consumption,,,,this being one of these bike dudes' therories. he's only got 6 or 8 years of college behind him. im sure he's a doorknob.
walk to the grocery store vs' driving. if you live nearby walk or bike. hell, buy a moped or a motorcycle.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
just thought i'd throw that in the family mix
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Bad back + grocery shopping + bank + other shit = your version of laziness.
It ain't!
yeah, i do care about little things and being responsible even with little things like walking instead of driving (which I do most of the time) and not driving a SUV unless absolutely necessary (i drive a little mazda 3). i was just sort of making a point that in the grand scheme of things, overpopulation is the problem.
the other day i walked to the store to get milk. i walk with a cane. the store has to be about 3/4 of a mile away. i am sure the whole trip took me an hour. each step extremely painful. i could have drove.
i know 99.99% of the population walk better than i do. for a healthy youngman this store run should take 15 minutes to walk. sad fact is most would drive vs' walk.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce