Dave Grohl On Grammy Speech
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I didn't even know that there was any backlash :? Although I don't think it was necessary to clarify I do appreciate that it was somewhat humorous.
Opinions on this?
I didn't even know that there was any backlash :? Although I don't think it was necessary to clarify I do appreciate that it was somewhat humorous.
Opinions on this?
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I think he felt people felt he was taking a shot at all the computerized musical acts that really can't sing unless that have auto tunes and stuff, which I think he really was and to which I really agree.
There are skills involved in making music that are real and they exist in some human beings. When people rely on computers to make up for their lack of skill, they don't actually HAVE these skills. :?
I hate that he has to apologize for being honest!!!!
I try to explain this to my daughter, these people are entertainers, but NOT musicians, I'm glad someone FINALLY had the freaking guts to call out these people in front of the whole industry, we don't need more American Idol crap, it's just BAD. If people chose to listen to this stuff fine, just don't call the people who make this garbage "musicians" because they aren't.
Like the guy in my avatar picture, he was a musician.....
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I wouldn't read too much into that. This wasn't a compromise of values. It was merely a performance demanded by the evening- stepping out of character for the enjoyment of those that wanted to enjoy it. No big deal. Guys such as these can't be asses all the time. I think he would have looked arrogant by snubbing his nose at the performance when it was done for fun and entertainment.
Grohl's answered the call when needed to. Look at the recent KC Westboro Church incident for proof of this. He's authentic. He has the respect of his peers. They would know better than us.
This question is precisely the reason he had to issue the statement online this week. People thought it was hypocritical of him to bash "computer music" and perform alongside Deadmau5, so he was clarifying that he doesn't mind people in the electronica world who use computers, samples, turntables, etc. in a "rock'n'roll" kind of way to make something new and exciting, but that he objects to the use of tools like Autotune and ProTools to fix imperfections and take the spontaneity out of music and to make a homogenized pop-music product.
And yes, Wasting Light was recorded directly to analog tape. There is a lot about this in the Foo Fighters: Back & Forth documentary. So he wasn't talking out of his ass with the "2-inch tape" quote.
If you look at the whole quote he kinda was. He said "we didn't go down the street to the best studio in the world.....". They did record the album in analog, but he made it sound like they set up a tape machine and a mixing board and recorded the tunes. The reality was he made a world class studio in his garage.
As far as the use of protools and making "perfect" recordings.....I think there is some validity to that approach, but it too often gets used as a crutch when we're talking about rock music. I think the sterility comes more into play in the creative process. A Nickelback song recorded to tape with some rough edges is still a Nickelback song. Bands like Tool and Radiohead seem to really seem to try to perfect everything in their recordings, where everything is really slick, yet they still maintain alot of that human touch.
Agreed.
That being said. Even though Foo Fighters hasn't written a decent song in about 10 years, I respect the fuck out of a lot of what he is saying.
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Agree to disagree with you on that one.
Just compare Wasting Light to Backspacer or the Avacado album; it's not even close.
Wasting Light blows those albums out of the water. I really hate to say that.
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Got to agree as well. Wasting Light blows not only those 2 albums away but many over the last decade by PJ. I've seen PJ 17 times and the Foos now 4 times. And have to say this... While their setlist doesn't change even close to what PJ's does, on show alone and performance, they Foos smoke PJ live. Never thought I'd ever say that, but yeah.....
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We have seen Pearl Jam 7 times, including the two Toronto shows, and then a week later we saw the Foo Fighters show in Pittsburgh.
What a difference!!!
We love PJ, but the Foos are much better live, and they play with a lot of fire and intensity (something that is badly lacking with PJ since 1994.)
We also saw Soundgarden in 2011 up in Toronto opening night, and that too was an eye opener; they bring the fire and the brimstone so to speak.
I deem the quality of the setlist more important the quantity of it, and the Foo Fighters took that to another level on the Wasting Light tour.
We intend on going to more Foo Fighters shows as well as the PJ and Soundgarden shows.
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To each their own.
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Hey I was at that Foo Fighter Show!!! :wave:
It was a fun Friday night. And the week before up in Toronto for the two nights of PJ were a blast as well.
We got a good dose of geeat concerts in September!!!!
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7/02/11 - Soundgarden Toronto
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5/12/13 - Soundgarden Pittsburgh
10/11/13 - Pittsburgh
7/27/14 - Soundgarden Toronto
11/04/16 - Temple of the Dog - Upper Darby, PA
I get the sense he takes a lighthearted approach to his life. and i think he'd say he may not be the best drummer or lead singer, and that the foos may not be the best band ever, and i think that takes guts to say that.
when i think of self absorbed the person that doesnt come to mind would be dave grohl.
ive never heard one bad story about the guy. im sure he's had a few bad encounters with fans. maybe when eating dinner with his wife and kids and someone came up to him maybe he'd feel angry or defensive, but i can see fans coming up to him in general and grohl being appreciate, funny and quite nice.
I find his approach to the music industry as a breath of fresh air. Dave's transparency is one of the more unique qualities about him. Example, while recording Wasting Light, his little girl tapped him on the shoulder because she wanted to play in the pool. Dave went out swimming with his daughter while they were in the middle of recording. Priceless....
The Foo Fighters are not the greatest band out there, but they are an example of a band that has paid its dues over the years. They bring an intangible live in concert that I haven't seen in in a good while.
We have added them on our list of bands to see as often as possible.
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Nonsense. And I'm not saying that as the typical PJ drone, you'd see here. Backspacer is a fantastic album. Just because it didn't win a Grammy, doesn't mean it wasn't better than a Grammy winning album, unless we're sheep. The truth is Backspacer was better than Wasting Light. But, let's dig deeper..
Here's the deal, if you like rhythm sections, you'll prefer Foo Fighters to PJ pretty much every time. Why? Well, their songs are written by a drummer, with a great drummer at the helm. Pop fans like rhythm sections and songs based around them, hence the sheep-like love for the Foos. Things with their tunes are based on that section. Which is fun, no doubt. They do a great job of lifting songs. But, if you like lyrics... um... the dude's horrible. If you like complexity within songs, Dave dives. I love Foos, but they are just not PJ.
So, if you like good lyrics, simple riffs or melodies... you'll prefer PJ.
PJ smokes Foo Fighter in lyrics every single time. In my humble opinion Ed's voice is 10 times better than Daves too (but I understand where some may disagree). Moreover, PJ can go slow much better than the Foos (although Foos can go faster arguably better). See Just Breathe or The End, or in the past - Release, Off He Goes, Present Tense, etc. Eddie is simply a better solo artist than Dave, and each band is based on the former. I think the argument could go, that Dave is simply a better band member than Ed, and that's a good argument. Finally, PJ guitarist smoke Foo guitarists. Compare McCready to Pat Smear... seriously, try. The area where Foos are better, which I mentioned before, is the Pop arena. So, songs like The Fixer (PJ's attempt) are not quite as catchy as Foos Pop. Fair enough, but I'd take songs like Unthought Known or The End over anything the Foos can do. All in all, I favor PJ.
At the end of the day, I see that the two bands are that are both great. But, to say Wasting Light... which by the way is IMHO a shit album (praised because all other "pop" rock is shit), is better than Backspacer or Avacado... come on. You sound like a Grammy Muppet. Yeh, I said it.
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Wasting Light is just a pitiful load of garbage. Backspacer and Self Titled are great albums.
It is possible to like both bands. PJ and Foo Fighters are really very different type of bands and not really open to the type of comparisons you are making. And to me, Wasting Light is a hundred times better than Backspacer. I like Avocado, but Wasting Light is still slightly better.
Wasting Light= 4 stars
Self-Titled (Avocado)= 3 and 1/2 stars
Backspacer= 2 stars
Seriously.
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Wait, what?
Seen the movie 'Midnight in Paris'? Its in our nature to just accept that the era that came before us, or an era considered the golden age is always better then what we are witnessing now. However, we will never really know, until we look back on the era we are witnessing now, and compare. It's a very romantic idea.
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In some ways I agree, and in some I don't. As I've stated already, I do like both bands.
I also agree they are different types of bands. But, if you're permitted to judge which album is better, I'm permitted to make comparisons of the two bands. I don't get the "not really open to the type of comparisons you're making" quote.
I think my comparisons were pretty accurate. One band is developed from rhythm section out. The other is developed from vocalist/guitarist in. Two different approaches. Both work. I prefer the latter, but still admire the former.
Oh and Backspacer is more diverse and just plain better than Wasting Light IMHO. Regardless of our differences of opinion there, can you name one stand-out lyrical song from Dave? Just one and post the lyrics? Thanks.
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