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veddertownveddertown Scotland Posts: 5,260
edited May 2012 in Other Music
Where would we be without the mighty Sabs? I have owned every MK1 Sab's album on vinyl, cassette and cd and there's not a day that goes by that I don't hear their influence somewhere. How the four individuals gelled and created such an innovative style of music still amazes me. They had a very organic and spontanious approach to songwriting and it still sounds remarkably fresh today. Much copied, never bettered! I am on a new appreciation surge right now and it really was the perfect soundtrack to my youth. There must be some admirers and possibly even haters here? What's your view, favourite songs, album, etc?
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  • Brisk.Brisk. Posts: 11,561
    Yeah one of the best bands ever easily. I really consider them just the stoner rock/blues rock pioneers, by todays standards they aren't heavy imo.

    Sabbath Bloody Sabbath always been my fave.


    When we say Black Sabbath we are only talking about the real Sabbath, so yeah 1970-1979.

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  • veddertownveddertown Scotland Posts: 5,260
    Brisk. wrote:
    I really consider them just the stoner rock/blues rock pioneers, by todays standards they aren't heavy imo.

    I can't get past hearing Tony Iommi in one ear and Geezer Butler in the other both going off on one for sheer listening pleasure. Like you say, stoner/blues rock and not really that heavy when you listen now. They really knew how to jam and I love the production and how it captured the era. I was tempted to drop PJ in Manchester for a Sunday Download ticket but decided against it in the end.
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  • Brisk.Brisk. Posts: 11,561
    veddertown wrote:
    Brisk. wrote:
    I really consider them just the stoner rock/blues rock pioneers, by todays standards they aren't heavy imo.

    I can't get past hearing Tony Iommi in one ear and Geezer Butler in the other both going off on one for sheer listening pleasure. Like you say, stoner/blues rock and not really that heavy when you listen now. They really knew how to jam and I love the production and how it captured the era. I was tempted to drop PJ in Manchester for a Sunday Download ticket but decided against it in the end.

    Tony's guitar tone was so raw and amazing back then, sounded so bloody great.

    Yeah good choice, looks like it's gonna be 3/4 of Sabbath so won't count.
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,291
    They were already done by the time I was old enough to go to shows....(the true Sabbath)....the first time I saw Ozzy all I kept thinking was 'Damn, War Pigs fucking rocks. I wish he was playing this with Sabbath!' and wondering what it must have been like to go to one of their shows in the 70s.
    One of my most listened to records of all time is a Sabbath record. Pretty cool when I think that Paranoid came out about 4 years before I was born and that none of my direct musical influences (dad, bro) introduced me to it. Sort of stumbled upon it myself as a youngster and was totally blown away. Damn, that is a magical record.
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    Fucking lot of badasses is what they are!!! Had We Sold Our Souls For Rock and Roll forever before delving into their albums. I see where you guys are coming from about them not being that heavy overall, but I've still never heard anything heavier than the first song on their first album.
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  • veddertownveddertown Scotland Posts: 5,260
    DewieCox wrote:
    Fucking lot of badasses is what they are!!! Had We Sold Our Souls For Rock and Roll forever before delving into their albums. I see where you guys are coming from about them not being that heavy overall, but I've still never heard anything heavier than the first song on their first album.
    That atmosphere that they created with Black Sabbath with the church bell and the noise of the stormy weather still sounds really amazing and when the big Iommi riff tore it open it was like all 60's Brit-pop suddenly had some really unlikely competition. To me they have their place in 60's & 70's folklore alongside The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Rolling Stones etc on even placing. There are people who are still discovering this music and I envy them for it because for me it was great hearing those first four albums especially.
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  • I've recently realized what a travesty it is that while I profess to be this huge fan of heavy riff rock I.....I.....I

    I can't admit it....

    no, look away....


    ......I've never listened to Sabbath. Like, I barely know any of their stuff. I know, it's a shame. However, I recently acquired their first 5 albums with the intention to spend some time getting to know them. Like the grandpa I never met. I do worry that though they were heavy and groundbreaking 40 years ago, today I might not feel the power, or the weight. I'm hoping to at least get an appreciation for Iommi's riff catalog.

    If it bores me I'll just throw in some Queens.
  • Amazing band the first 6 albums are perfect , just 4 working class lads who made it big time.
  • Digital TwilightDigital Twilight Posts: 5,642
    edited February 2012
    DewieCox wrote:
    I see where you guys are coming from about them not being that heavy overall, but I've still never heard anything heavier than the first song on their first album.

    Agreed. When I heard that for the first time is was hair standing on the back of my neck. I was looking at the album cover at the time too which makes it even more atmospheric.
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  • CTD10CTD10 Posts: 351
    Love Sabbath. Hate what is going on with Bill now though. I'd like to smack that Sharon...if she is the cause that is.
    ctd
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,604
    Master Of Reality is fucking amazing.
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  • War Pigs
    Sweet Leaf
    Johnny Blade

    Three really, really wicked tunes among all their 'bigger' tunes.

    Have seen Ozzy every chance I've had. Loved it when they have played the Sabbath tunes!
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  • veddertownveddertown Scotland Posts: 5,260
    Have seen Ozzy every chance I've had. Loved it when they have played the Sabbath tunes!

    Hearing the Sabbath songs was always the highlight of an Ozzy show. I think I've seen him play Paranoid, Iron Man, Children Of The Grave, War Pigs, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Sweet Leaf and Symptom Of The Universe. Zakk Wylde always did a good job but the original solos are hard to beat despite Zakk's technical brilliance.
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    veddertown wrote:
    Have seen Ozzy every chance I've had. Loved it when they have played the Sabbath tunes!

    Hearing the Sabbath songs was always the highlight of an Ozzy show. I think I've seen him play Paranoid, Iron Man, Children Of The Grave, War Pigs, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Sweet Leaf and Symptom Of The Universe. Zakk Wylde always did a good job but the original solos are hard to beat despite Zakk's technical brilliance.

    Listening(squeal)to Zakk(squeal)(squeal) Wylde(squeal) play guitar(squeal) is(squeal)(squeal)(squeal) like(squeal)reading this sentence.

    Awesome player early on and on the studio stuff outside of Black Rain, but he really jumped the shark as a player his last few years with Ozzy.

    Another album that I got Sabbath fix early on was Speak of the Devil. Brad Gillis was the guitarist for that.
  • veddertownveddertown Scotland Posts: 5,260
    "DewieCox wrote:
    Listening(squeal)to Zakk(squeal)(squeal) Wylde(squeal) play guitar(squeal) is(squeal)(squeal)(squeal) like(squeal)reading this sentence.

    Awesome player early on and on the studio stuff outside of Black Rain, but he really jumped the shark as a player his last few years with Ozzy.

    Another album that I got Sabbath fix early on was Speak of the Devil. Brad Gillis was the guitarist for that.
    Agreed about Zakk Wylde, I think the more BLS albums he released the more intolerable his playing style became. He was great on the No Rest For The Wicked and No More Tears albums and tours and I've gradually gone off Ozzy's solo stuff since then. I think that Speak Of The Devil album is pretty good for fans of Ozzy who aren't too familiar with Sabs. Some really great versions and Brad Gillis did a fine job on it.
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  • frazbafrazba Posts: 601
    I've no doubt I'll get pelters for this but I LOVE Heaven and Hell and Mob Rules, I think RJD does a fine job. \m/
  • veddertownveddertown Scotland Posts: 5,260
    frazba wrote:
    I've no doubt I'll get pelters for this but I LOVE Heaven and Hell and Mob Rules, I think RJD does a fine job. \m/
    It's definately not the Sabbath I know and love but I do like those albums and everything RJD did with Rainbow. He had a stunning voice for such a small man.
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  • frazbafrazba Posts: 601
    Don't get me wrong, I love the Ozzy stuff and own all of them on vinyl and CD ( I remember buying the first album, 1st UK pressing, spiral Vertigo label in near mint condition for a song in Vinyl Villains on Leith Walk, I was over the moon that day, I still have it). It's just that I was a massive Rainbow/Dio fan at the time.
  • ilockyerilockyer Posts: 2,271
    veddertown wrote:
    frazba wrote:
    I've no doubt I'll get pelters for this but I LOVE Heaven and Hell and Mob Rules, I think RJD does a fine job. \m/
    It's definately not the Sabbath I know and love but I do like those albums and everything RJD did with Rainbow. He had a stunning voice for such a small man.

    Indeed he did! I was lucky enough to see Dio, only once, on the Holy Diver anniversary tour in 2005. An absolutely brilliant night. I was supposed to see Heaven and Hell headline High Voltage in 2010 but we all know what happened. :cry:

    Sabbath though, I love the first four and can't pick, but if I had to I think I'd go with 4. It's the one I play most, Supernaught was the first Sabbath tune I remember hearing and it registering, course I'd heard War Pigs and Paranoid etc but that came on the radio late one night and blew my mind.

    I'd be all over a ticket for this tour but if it's going to be 3/4 only then I'll give it a miss. Someone should lock Sharon Osbourne in a padded room until the summer is over.
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  • frazbafrazba Posts: 601
    I only saw Dio once as well, Donington 1987, I remember them playing this...ah the good old days. RIP RJD

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  • veddertownveddertown Scotland Posts: 5,260
    Found this earlier and watched most of it this evening. I wish Bill was in this years reunion.... :(

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0T606ZRmh5E
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  • NYCPJNYCPJ nyc Posts: 764
    One of the all-time greats and most influential bands.

    I saw them in 1978 at MSG with Van Halen opening up, then again in 1980 with Dio on vocals on the Heaven and Hell tour. Both were great shows.

    I could listen to any Sabbath album -- favorites are: Sabbath Bloody Sabbath, Vol 4, Master of Reality, Paranoid and Heaven and Hell.

    Songs:

    Sweet Leaf, Fairies wear boots, Children of the Grave, Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    what a band!!!!!!!!
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  • HorosHoros Posts: 4,518
    Saw them with Dio on the Heaven and Hell tour but still prefer the Ozzy years.

    That live version of Wicked World is great.

    My faves: The Warning, Faries Wear Boots, Rat Salaad(?)
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  • jammerfalljammerfall Posts: 908
    Love this thread!

    I had an older sister who dumped the Sabbath germ on me when I was about 8 years old. The debut LP through "Sabotage" set some serious standards and every heavy rock band that has followed them owes a debt of gratitude.

    As monumental as the band was, the end of the Ozzy/Sabbath era was inevitable. Witnessing Van Halen kick Sabbath's ass as an opening act pretty much said it all. I saw a couple of BS/VH shows during that tour and really, Sabbath had hit boring-old-fart-rock-God status with a messed up Ozzy actually sitting in an easy chair off to stage left during the instrumental solos.

    Was Sabbath really Sabbath with Ronnie James Dio? Fuck yes! "Live Evil" aside, just check out the three albums RJD did with Sabbath. Pris-fucking-stine metal, friends. Of special note, do not ignore "Dehumanizer," classic Sabbath regardless of who is behind the mic. Proof? "After All (The Dead.)" Sabbath featuring Dio was STELLAR! Oh yeah, even "Born Again," with it's weird production and Ian Gillan vocals still shoves the metal up your ass.

    Still, some fucked up duds in the Sabbath cannon. The Ozzy led "Technical Ecstasy" and "Never Say Die." Bleh. Later years brought "Seventh Star" and "TYR," both of which pretty much induced sleep, while "Headless Cross" and "Eternal Idol" rocked out more than most people even knew. Or even cared to know. Then there was this shitty mess of an album called "Forbidden" around '95. Don't even go there.

    Cut to the live "Reunion" recording with the original Sab line up. Bless their black hearts, they didn't even speed up the shit up. Classic durge via the masters.

    Future Sabbath seems iffy. No Bill Ward? Fuck that. Iommi's illness does not bode well, and Ozzy SO straddles the line between relevant and rediculous that it's anyones guess.

    All in all, good Sabbath out-weights bad Sabbath. As the OP stated, where would we be without them?
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  • stargirl69stargirl69 Posts: 6,387
    I love Sabbath.
    I listened to them every single day throughout my teens and I still listen to them really regularly.
    I still get high on the riffs and the musicianship,hugely,hugely talented men,I never saw them as metal,they had a depth of the heavier end of blues for me like no other band of that time.Their influence is heard in so much music even today.
    I never thought RJD would pull it of when Ozzy was gone but I think Heaven and Hell is a good album.But Black Sabbath and Sabbath Bloody Sabbath still definitely get me for the atmosphere and the riffs that make my mouth water listening to them.
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  • veddertownveddertown Scotland Posts: 5,260
    Who went to the Birmingham Academy last week? This is a great setlist, if anyone knows of a good quality boot? ;)

    1. Into the Void
    2. Under the Sun
    3. Snowblind
    4. War Pigs
    5. Wheels of Confusion
    6. Electric Funeral
    7. Black Sabbath
    8. The Wizard
    9. Behind the Wall of Sleep
    10. N.I.B.
    11. Fairies Wear Boots
    12. Tomorrow's Dream
    13. Sweet Leaf
    14. Symptom of the Universe
    15. Drum Solo
    16. Iron Man
    17. Dirty Women
    18. Children of the Grave
    Encore:
    19. Paranoid (Sabbath Bloody Sabbath intro)
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  • stargirl69stargirl69 Posts: 6,387
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    What a set list :clap:
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