that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
So not only did they CANCEL (reschedule) the caucus for one of the counties,
they also ... JUST NOW "ADMITTED" (found out) ...
that they WROTE IN "SCRATCH" FOR TWO COUNTIES RON PAUL ACTUALLY WON?
???
and FOX Local Affiliate
is the one breaking the story
???
Double what.
WhAT?
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
Yes, absolutely I think we should restrict competition, and to an ever greater extent. The best and brightest among us shouldn't be encouraged to participate in a market which values how much one can produce, but in a system that produces what is actually valuable. Our highest salaries should be paid to our teachers as well as our doctors. The highest paid jobs should in general be those that serve the public, and it should be a challenge to get those jobs, so that only the best minds will be in charge of our affairs.
Who gets to determine what is actually valuable? You? Me? Some unelected bureaucrat?
perhaps there's no hope for common sense then...
if people would come together (rather than compete against each other) then there would be no bureaucracy. it would be neighbors looking out for neighbors, ensuring that everyone has a decent life in a real community.
Yes, absolutely I think we should restrict competition, and to an ever greater extent. The best and brightest among us shouldn't be encouraged to participate in a market which values how much one can produce, but in a system that produces what is actually valuable. Our highest salaries should be paid to our teachers as well as our doctors. The highest paid jobs should in general be those that serve the public, and it should be a challenge to get those jobs, so that only the best minds will be in charge of our affairs.
Who gets to determine what is actually valuable? You? Me? Some unelected bureaucrat?
perhaps there's no hope for common sense then...
if people would come together (rather than compete against each other) then there would be no bureaucracy. it would be neighbors looking out for neighbors, ensuring that everyone has a decent life in a real community.
What you just explained there is essentially what I, and many liberty minded people, would like. I just view the more humantarian approach to this is to not use government to force that view on everyone. Instead, let people come together and benefit together because they want to instead of being forced together.
Once you start getting the government involved there really isn't any way to not have bureacracy which is why I strongly oppose government forcing its views onto people such as restricting competition. When the government is allowed to restrict competition it inherently is forcing a view upon people. I simpy do not believe that anyone knows what is best for everyone and that a "real community" can be had if you are forcing people into it.
Yes, absolutely I think we should restrict competition, and to an ever greater extent. The best and brightest among us shouldn't be encouraged to participate in a market which values how much one can produce, but in a system that produces what is actually valuable. Our highest salaries should be paid to our teachers as well as our doctors. The highest paid jobs should in general be those that serve the public, and it should be a challenge to get those jobs, so that only the best minds will be in charge of our affairs.
Who gets to determine what is actually valuable? You? Me? Some unelected bureaucrat?
perhaps there's no hope for common sense then...
if people would come together (rather than compete against each other) then there would be no bureaucracy. it would be neighbors looking out for neighbors, ensuring that everyone has a decent life in a real community.
common sense is not so common
that would be the ideal it works like that in some communities like the one I live you can leave you door open at night kinda of thing...
thats funny you should say that coming together VS the pitting of competitors
see thats one of the rat races this society wants you to run, for what means or to what ends and for whom? I dont get it? Never have never will. Keeps us separated for sure, vain and pompous pursuits for what ...and even if you win this race are you happy? Did your kids suffer? Are you happy with this accumaltion and by what means or ends did you actually get it?
Simple life is always the best way to go in my eyes. Who is to say what is wealth? My idea of abundance or wealth is being surrounded by family, friends good food and drink with some passionate rosy glow on my cheeks pursuing things in life that matter to me other than money? What are the things that matter to you, in the end really will it be about the stocks, pension plan and the like... IDK efforts to obtain such things are out of control. Even to the detriment to the planet and people who live.\, love and work upon this planet. Its my opinion. Im a simple person. Sad thing is out of greed makes it impossible to obtain simple these joys anymore, so where and what is the will for obtaining such simple things that you have to slave for a minute piece of happiness in a simple life even??? Making it a chore to even have nothing? IDK this world is completely fucked. But we keep on though... we keep on with the rat races and the human greed. Nobody seems to want to change such policies.
I dont think you can force community. Besides who the hell has time to be a community member when your a step away being forced from your house or fighting to keep food on the table.
Community is something inside yourself. You can try to revamp them give them inspiration to become partners in something bigger than themselves , but like I said its all in the pursuit of simple happiness of have a roof over your head or putting food on the table is such a huge chore to make ends meet, who the hell has time for being part of the community?
It's good to see that we're all somewhat on the same page, maybe just not on how to get to the kind of society we want.
The neighborhood I grew up in was very much a community. I knew all of my immediate neighbors, and I also knew a lot of my neighbors who were blocks away. Kids ran freely through yards, and adults would treat neighborhood kids pretty much like their own kids. If my mom needed flour or sugar or a few eggs to bake something, she would send me to a neighbor's house to ask for it... it was normal. None of these things seem to be normal anymore. I think it's still normal in some places in America, but it's not as widespread as it used to be. It was common to see hitchhikers when I was a kid (I was born in 1976 btw), and my dad used to hitchhike from Boston to Cape Cod every weekend when he was a teenager (early 1960's)... that is unimaginable now. I also remember a time when a neighborhood girl was missing, and the entire neighborhood was out searching for her for hours (they found her hiding in her own house, just so you know). Nowadays, I think people would just call the police and let them worry about it. I'm not sure how we got to this mentality, or how we lost our old mentality.
I've been thinking large-scale, and I'll try to tie it in with community. Social Security... Medicare... these are nationwide programs of course... but such programs can be financed Federally and locally managed... I don't think we'd fear "unelected bureaucrats" if they were our neighbors. And I don't hear many complaints about these programs... if we focus our attention on them, we can make them even better programs. I know that we can have an effective Medicare-for-all program. Something like our health cannot be left to the whims of the market.
Yes, absolutely I think we should restrict competition, and to an ever greater extent. The best and brightest among us shouldn't be encouraged to participate in a market which values how much one can produce, but in a system that produces what is actually valuable. Our highest salaries should be paid to our teachers as well as our doctors. The highest paid jobs should in general be those that serve the public, and it should be a challenge to get those jobs, so that only the best minds will be in charge of our affairs.
Who gets to determine what is actually valuable? You? Me? Some unelected bureaucrat?
perhaps there's no hope for common sense then...
if people would come together (rather than compete against each other) then there would be no bureaucracy. it would be neighbors looking out for neighbors, ensuring that everyone has a decent life in a real community.
hear hear...... that's why im a lib........ a libertarian
RC, SoDak 1998 - KC 2000 - Council Bluffs IA 2003 - Fargo ND 2003 - St. Paul MN 2003 - Alpine Valley 2003 - St Louis MO 2004 - Kissimmee FLA 2004 - Winnipeg 2005 - Thunder Bay 2005 - Chicago 2006 - Grand Rapids MI 2006 - Denver CO 2006 - Lollapalooza 2007 - Bonnaroo 2008 - Austin City Limits 2009 - Los Angeles 2009 - KC 2010 - St Louis MO 2010 - PJ20 Night 1 - PJ20 Night 2
RC, SoDak 1998 - KC 2000 - Council Bluffs IA 2003 - Fargo ND 2003 - St. Paul MN 2003 - Alpine Valley 2003 - St Louis MO 2004 - Kissimmee FLA 2004 - Winnipeg 2005 - Thunder Bay 2005 - Chicago 2006 - Grand Rapids MI 2006 - Denver CO 2006 - Lollapalooza 2007 - Bonnaroo 2008 - Austin City Limits 2009 - Los Angeles 2009 - KC 2010 - St Louis MO 2010 - PJ20 Night 1 - PJ20 Night 2
Libertarian socialism would only eliminate private property in the means of production (infrastructural capital, natural capital, human capital). It doesn't mean you can't own your own home or other personal possessions. It just means you can't own pipelines, parks or people.
February 18, 2012 — Two dozen towns in Washington County, Maine finally held their caucus today and the upset that the Ron Paul supporters were hoping for didn’t materialize. Paul chipped away at Romney’s lead, getting 83 votes. But Romney still leads Paul statewide by 156 votes.
The latest tally for Washington County, according to The Associated Press, shows Paul garnered 163 votes in the Saturday caucus, Romney 80 votes, Rick Santorum 57, and Newt Gingrich 4.
February 18, 2012 — Two dozen towns in Washington County, Maine finally held their caucus today and the upset that the Ron Paul supporters were hoping for didn’t materialize. Paul chipped away at Romney’s lead, getting 83 votes. But Romney still leads Paul statewide by 156 votes.
The latest tally for Washington County, according to The Associated Press, shows Paul garnered 163 votes in the Saturday caucus, Romney 80 votes, Rick Santorum 57, and Newt Gingrich 4.
there is no way to know what would have happened last saturday. that is the problem. There was ample time to get out the vote as it were.
as well as all of the vote tallying "issues" pointed out in the above youtube clip of reality check.
If no one raises a stink this is simply swept under the rug. there is a reason that the iowa head of the GOP was replaced, as well as Nevada...it isn't going to end. I just wish Paul would get a fair shake with coverage. I mean, if the American people reject HIS ideas it is one thing...but the majority reject his ideas based on misinformation and out right lies perpetuated by Fox and other conservative outlets.
That is all I would want. For Paul to lose on the merits of his ideas rather than the misreporting and simply ignoring him.
I guess it is just sexier to report on Santorum talking about Satan, rather than the fact that about a 1000 veterans, active military, and military supporters marched on the White house yesterday and turned their backs in unison on the white house.
All I have seen on it is an ABC story claiming "dozens" were there. Yep dozens...about 80 of them...
Ron Paul, the only candidate who can be simultaneously too far right for the dems, and too far left for the conservatives...
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
but the majority reject his ideas based on misinformation and out right lies perpetuated by Fox and other conservative outlets.
try being a socialist! ...
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
RC, SoDak 1998 - KC 2000 - Council Bluffs IA 2003 - Fargo ND 2003 - St. Paul MN 2003 - Alpine Valley 2003 - St Louis MO 2004 - Kissimmee FLA 2004 - Winnipeg 2005 - Thunder Bay 2005 - Chicago 2006 - Grand Rapids MI 2006 - Denver CO 2006 - Lollapalooza 2007 - Bonnaroo 2008 - Austin City Limits 2009 - Los Angeles 2009 - KC 2010 - St Louis MO 2010 - PJ20 Night 1 - PJ20 Night 2
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It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
So not only did they CANCEL (reschedule) the caucus for one of the counties,
they also ... JUST NOW "ADMITTED" (found out) ...
that they WROTE IN "SCRATCH" FOR TWO COUNTIES RON PAUL ACTUALLY WON?
???
and FOX Local Affiliate
is the one breaking the story
???
Double what.
WhAT?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
perhaps there's no hope for common sense then...
if people would come together (rather than compete against each other) then there would be no bureaucracy. it would be neighbors looking out for neighbors, ensuring that everyone has a decent life in a real community.
What you just explained there is essentially what I, and many liberty minded people, would like. I just view the more humantarian approach to this is to not use government to force that view on everyone. Instead, let people come together and benefit together because they want to instead of being forced together.
Once you start getting the government involved there really isn't any way to not have bureacracy which is why I strongly oppose government forcing its views onto people such as restricting competition. When the government is allowed to restrict competition it inherently is forcing a view upon people. I simpy do not believe that anyone knows what is best for everyone and that a "real community" can be had if you are forcing people into it.
common sense is not so common
that would be the ideal it works like that in some communities like the one I live you can leave you door open at night kinda of thing...
thats funny you should say that coming together VS the pitting of competitors
see thats one of the rat races this society wants you to run, for what means or to what ends and for whom? I dont get it? Never have never will. Keeps us separated for sure, vain and pompous pursuits for what ...and even if you win this race are you happy? Did your kids suffer? Are you happy with this accumaltion and by what means or ends did you actually get it?
Simple life is always the best way to go in my eyes. Who is to say what is wealth? My idea of abundance or wealth is being surrounded by family, friends good food and drink with some passionate rosy glow on my cheeks pursuing things in life that matter to me other than money? What are the things that matter to you, in the end really will it be about the stocks, pension plan and the like... IDK efforts to obtain such things are out of control. Even to the detriment to the planet and people who live.\, love and work upon this planet. Its my opinion. Im a simple person. Sad thing is out of greed makes it impossible to obtain simple these joys anymore, so where and what is the will for obtaining such simple things that you have to slave for a minute piece of happiness in a simple life even??? Making it a chore to even have nothing? IDK this world is completely fucked. But we keep on though... we keep on with the rat races and the human greed. Nobody seems to want to change such policies.
I dont think you can force community. Besides who the hell has time to be a community member when your a step away being forced from your house or fighting to keep food on the table.
Community is something inside yourself. You can try to revamp them give them inspiration to become partners in something bigger than themselves , but like I said its all in the pursuit of simple happiness of have a roof over your head or putting food on the table is such a huge chore to make ends meet, who the hell has time for being part of the community?
It's good to see that we're all somewhat on the same page, maybe just not on how to get to the kind of society we want.
The neighborhood I grew up in was very much a community. I knew all of my immediate neighbors, and I also knew a lot of my neighbors who were blocks away. Kids ran freely through yards, and adults would treat neighborhood kids pretty much like their own kids. If my mom needed flour or sugar or a few eggs to bake something, she would send me to a neighbor's house to ask for it... it was normal. None of these things seem to be normal anymore. I think it's still normal in some places in America, but it's not as widespread as it used to be. It was common to see hitchhikers when I was a kid (I was born in 1976 btw), and my dad used to hitchhike from Boston to Cape Cod every weekend when he was a teenager (early 1960's)... that is unimaginable now. I also remember a time when a neighborhood girl was missing, and the entire neighborhood was out searching for her for hours (they found her hiding in her own house, just so you know). Nowadays, I think people would just call the police and let them worry about it. I'm not sure how we got to this mentality, or how we lost our old mentality.
I've been thinking large-scale, and I'll try to tie it in with community. Social Security... Medicare... these are nationwide programs of course... but such programs can be financed Federally and locally managed... I don't think we'd fear "unelected bureaucrats" if they were our neighbors. And I don't hear many complaints about these programs... if we focus our attention on them, we can make them even better programs. I know that we can have an effective Medicare-for-all program. Something like our health cannot be left to the whims of the market.
hear hear...... that's why im a lib........ a libertarian
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism
maybe you could be one too?
i believe in property rights.....sorry.
Libertarian socialism would only eliminate private property in the means of production (infrastructural capital, natural capital, human capital). It doesn't mean you can't own your own home or other personal possessions. It just means you can't own pipelines, parks or people.
After Washington, Ron Paul still loses Maine to Mitt Romney
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/ ... tt-romney/
February 18, 2012 — Two dozen towns in Washington County, Maine finally held their caucus today and the upset that the Ron Paul supporters were hoping for didn’t materialize. Paul chipped away at Romney’s lead, getting 83 votes. But Romney still leads Paul statewide by 156 votes.
The latest tally for Washington County, according to The Associated Press, shows Paul garnered 163 votes in the Saturday caucus, Romney 80 votes, Rick Santorum 57, and Newt Gingrich 4.
there is no way to know what would have happened last saturday. that is the problem. There was ample time to get out the vote as it were.
as well as all of the vote tallying "issues" pointed out in the above youtube clip of reality check.
If no one raises a stink this is simply swept under the rug. there is a reason that the iowa head of the GOP was replaced, as well as Nevada...it isn't going to end. I just wish Paul would get a fair shake with coverage. I mean, if the American people reject HIS ideas it is one thing...but the majority reject his ideas based on misinformation and out right lies perpetuated by Fox and other conservative outlets.
That is all I would want. For Paul to lose on the merits of his ideas rather than the misreporting and simply ignoring him.
I guess it is just sexier to report on Santorum talking about Satan, rather than the fact that about a 1000 veterans, active military, and military supporters marched on the White house yesterday and turned their backs in unison on the white house.
All I have seen on it is an ABC story claiming "dozens" were there. Yep dozens...about 80 of them...
Ron Paul, the only candidate who can be simultaneously too far right for the dems, and too far left for the conservatives...
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
try being a socialist! ...
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan