Thanks to all who paid for my healthcare-not being sarcastic

_

Blockhead wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

whygohome wrote:

I wasn't being sarcastic though. My intent was to start a conversation.

oh ... i totally understand ... i think you've gotten a decent discussion ... but sometimes you have to take a step back and view it from the perspective of some people on this board ... there are people here who like to use the words forced and theft when discussing taxes ... the very idea of socialized healthcare grates them to the bone ... they see a title like that and they take it like a slap to the face ...

You don't find it ironic that someone is better themselves (through pursuing education/ PHD) by using other people to take care of their health care? Please quote anyone who use the word Force or Theft...
Why is this acceptbale, yet people who pursue a lifelong quest of professional drug abuse and TV watching wanting people to take care of their health care not acceptable?

I think this is acceptable too.

Blockhead

_ wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

oh ... i totally understand ... i think you've gotten a decent discussion ... but sometimes you have to take a step back and view it from the perspective of some people on this board ... there are people here who like to use the words forced and theft when discussing taxes ... the very idea of socialized healthcare grates them to the bone ... they see a title like that and they take it like a slap to the face ...

You don't find it ironic that someone is better themselves (through pursuing education/ PHD) by using other people to take care of their health care? Please quote anyone who use the word Force or Theft...
Why is this acceptbale, yet people who pursue a lifelong quest of professional drug abuse and TV watching wanting people to take care of their health care not acceptable?

I think this is acceptable too.

And thats where we differ...

JonnyPistachio

Blockhead wrote:

You don't find it ironic that someone is better themselves (through pursuing education/ PHD) by using other people to take care of their health care?

Its just your tone and the way you twist words to fit your agenda -- The OP didnt "Better themselves" by using other people. Yes, they utilized a service from time to time...you make it sound like a crime, and like one wouldnt have happened without the other.

Blockhead wrote:

Why were you not covered by your parents insurance when you were a student?

They didnt say anything about it, why would you even assume they have two parents, let alone parents who have decent enough coverage for their kids? Right off the bat, you're trying to pick apart why you dont like what he did.

Blockhead wrote:

You were in graduate school for 4 years??? how? I am assuiming this was to get your Master for Education, as you wanted to be a teacher? What were your other expensese during graduate school. $200 a month sounds like a great quote, considering you had two jobs.

Glad you know his situation so well -- came off a little condescending telling someone how their finances should work.

Blockhead wrote:

So you had no issues pursuing your dreams of getting a Masters/now PHD to better YOUR future while putting your health care cost on other people?

Flat out condescending.

Blockhead wrote:

face reality... That is something that you continually ignore. I see your still wishing bad things on people who don't agree with you...

Umm, last I checked a dose of reality is helpful. I didnt see her as "wishing something bad," rather than making someone open their eyes to the fact that not everyone's parents can cover their healthcare all the time.

polaris_x

Blockhead wrote:

You don't find it ironic that someone is better themselves (through pursuing education/ PHD) by using other people to take care of their health care? Please quote anyone who use the word Force or Theft...
Why is this acceptbale, yet people who pursue a lifelong quest of professional drug abuse and TV watching wanting people to take care of their health care not acceptable?

of course i don't find it ironic ... i believe that health care ... similar to roads and firefighters and police and education should be funded by the state ...

dude - just do a search on the word "force" and go through the threads ... i don't have to go through and quote it ... it's there for your own perusal ...

it is acceptable because in the society i want to be part of ... it isn't every person for themselves ... it's a society that operates in a collective where taking care of people when they need is is not considered an evil act ...

Blockhead

polaris_x wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

You don't find it ironic that someone is better themselves (through pursuing education/ PHD) by using other people to take care of their health care? Please quote anyone who use the word Force or Theft...
Why is this acceptbale, yet people who pursue a lifelong quest of professional drug abuse and TV watching wanting people to take care of their health care not acceptable?

of course i don't find it ironic ... i believe that health care ... similar to roads and firefighters and police and education should be funded by the state ...

dude - just do a search on the word "force" and go through the threads ... i don't have to go through and quote it ... it's there for your own perusal ...

it is acceptable because in the society i want to be part of ... it isn't every person for themselves ... it's a society that operates in a collective where taking care of people when they need is is not considered an evil act ...

If thats the society you want to be a part of then so be it. I can't imagine raising my children by teaching them that they have no responsibilities for their actions and someone will always bail them out no matter what decision they make.
In a society like this, what will the reward be for working hard and being responsible?

_

Blockhead wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

You don't find it ironic that someone is better themselves (through pursuing education/ PHD) by using other people to take care of their health care? Please quote anyone who use the word Force or Theft...
Why is this acceptbale, yet people who pursue a lifelong quest of professional drug abuse and TV watching wanting people to take care of their health care not acceptable?

of course i don't find it ironic ... i believe that health care ... similar to roads and firefighters and police and education should be funded by the state ...

dude - just do a search on the word "force" and go through the threads ... i don't have to go through and quote it ... it's there for your own perusal ...

it is acceptable because in the society i want to be part of ... it isn't every person for themselves ... it's a society that operates in a collective where taking care of people when they need is is not considered an evil act ...

If thats the society you want to be a part of then so be it. I can't imagine raising my children by teaching them that they have no responsibilities for their actions and someone will always bail them out no matter what decision they make.
In a society like this, what will the reward be for working hard and being responsible?

See, this is the fatal flaw in your whole line of reasoning. NO ONE HAS EVER SAID they want people to have no responsibilities for their actions. Societies can believe BOTH in working together to help those in need AND in taking personal responsibility. Your belief that these are mutually exclusive concepts will fail you every time.

JonnyPistachio

_ wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

of course i don't find it ironic ... i believe that health care ... similar to roads and firefighters and police and education should be funded by the state ...

dude - just do a search on the word "force" and go through the threads ... i don't have to go through and quote it ... it's there for your own perusal ...

it is acceptable because in the society i want to be part of ... it isn't every person for themselves ... it's a society that operates in a collective where taking care of people when they need is is not considered an evil act ...

If thats the society you want to be a part of then so be it. I can't imagine raising my children by teaching them that they have no responsibilities for their actions and someone will always bail them out no matter what decision they make.
In a society like this, what will the reward be for working hard and being responsible?

See, this is the fatal flaw in your whole line of reasoning. NO ONE HAS EVER SAID they want people to have no responsibilities for their actions. Societies can believe BOTH in working together to help those in need AND in taking personal responsibility. Your belief that these are mutually exclusive concepts will fail you every time.

You'd think that would be obvious. I think some people just hate the idea of helping others just because someone out there is taking advantage of the system.

Blockhead

_ wrote:

See, this is the fatal flaw in your whole line of reasoning. NO ONE HAS EVER SAID they want people to have no responsibilities for their actions. Societies can believe BOTH in working together to help those in need AND in taking personal responsibility. Your belief that these are mutually exclusive concepts will fail you every time.

How can you be responsible yet always have a permenant safety net? Do you not understand human nature at all?
If there is zero consequences for your actions, as in you will always be bailed out by others, this will perpetuate a scoiety of people always being dependant on others and if your rewards are shared by everybody who would take on that responsibility?

Blockhead

JonnyPistachio wrote:

You'd think that would be obvious. I think some people just hate the idea of helping others just because someone out there is taking advantage of the system.

Its not about helping others, the OP clearly pursued his/her dreams by taking the time obtaining a master/PHD by having others pay for their healthcare.
Sorry but I was raised to take care of your(my) own expenses/lifestyle and not put that burden on society.
Sorry if that strikes you as me "hate the idea of helping others"
Why not wait until you can get a job and healthcare before you try and obtain your dreams on someone elses dime.
Its not like the OP didn't have a Bachelors...

polaris_x

Blockhead wrote:

If thats the society you want to be a part of then so be it. I can't imagine raising my children by teaching them that they have no responsibilities for their actions and someone will always bail them out no matter what decision they make.
In a society like this, what will the reward be for working hard and being responsible?

sooo ... a society that cares for one another is devoid of responsibility!?? ... do you even read the words you type? ... also, socialists countries are devoid of hard working people too!?? ...

JonnyPistachio

Blockhead wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

You'd think that would be obvious. I think some people just hate the idea of helping others just because someone out there is taking advantage of the system.

Its not about helping others, the OP clearly pursued his/her dreams by taking the time obtaining a master/PHD by having others pay for their healthcare.
Sorry but I was raised to take care of your(my) own expenses/lifestyle and not put that burden on society.
Sorry if that strikes you as me "hate the idea of helping others"
Why not wait until you can get a job and healthcare before you try and obtain your dreams on someone elses dime.
Its not like the OP didn't have a Bachelors...

You're bouncing all over the place. You were talking about society...thats what "_" and i were adressing, now you're back to the OP... :?
I was also raised to take care of my own expenses, and I always have. I didnt have insurance for years...had to pay out of pocket if anything came up. I was taking a big chance though. Sometimes its not as cut and dry as you make it sound. The playing field is not level for all. The OP used those services three times...so now he's not responsible and burdensome on society in your eyes? :?

pandora

My daughter is in college there are healthcare options right there on campus
that is included in her tuition :?

polaris_x

Blockhead wrote:

Its not about helping others, the OP clearly pursued his/her dreams by taking the time obtaining a master/PHD by having others pay for their healthcare.
Sorry but I was raised to take care of your(my) own expenses/lifestyle and not put that burden on society.
Sorry if that strikes you as me "hate the idea of helping others"
Why not wait until you can get a job and healthcare before you try and obtain your dreams on someone elses dime.
Its not like the OP didn't have a Bachelors...

the OP paid taxes ... taxes that go into the funding of things like roads and the police force ... and in this particular case - health care ...

if you got a problem - it should be with the state that decided that they would pay for people in his/her particular situation ... it shouldn't be with someone who qualifies for that care ... distorting the reality to fit some heavily prejudiced view of the system in order to equate it to some level of exploitation is just sad ...

Blockhead

JonnyPistachio wrote:

You're bouncing all over the place. You were talking about society...thats what "_" and i were adressing, now you're back to the OP... :?
I was also raised to take care of my own expenses, and I always have. I didnt have insurance for years...had to pay out of pocket if anything came up. I was taking a big chance though. Sometimes its not as cut and dry as you make it sound. The playing field is not level for all. The OP used those services three times...so now he's not responsible and burdensome on society in your eyes? :?

The OP decided to use those services because they decided going to get their Masters was more important than being able to afford health care for HER/HIM SELF. Not because he/she was in desperate need, OP made a choice, which is a selfish one.

keeponrockin

Blockhead wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

Blockhead wrote:

You don't find it ironic that someone is better themselves (through pursuing education/ PHD) by using other people to take care of their health care? Please quote anyone who use the word Force or Theft...
Why is this acceptbale, yet people who pursue a lifelong quest of professional drug abuse and TV watching wanting people to take care of their health care not acceptable?

of course i don't find it ironic ... i believe that health care ... similar to roads and firefighters and police and education should be funded by the state ...

dude - just do a search on the word "force" and go through the threads ... i don't have to go through and quote it ... it's there for your own perusal ...

it is acceptable because in the society i want to be part of ... it isn't every person for themselves ... it's a society that operates in a collective where taking care of people when they need is is not considered an evil act ...

If thats the society you want to be a part of then so be it. I can't imagine raising my children by teaching them that they have no responsibilities for their actions and someone will always bail them out no matter what decision they make.
In a society like this, what will the reward be for working hard and being responsible?

I don't know about you.. But up here in Canada, we have both! People who make mistakes are somewhat taken care of (through healthcare and a social safety net) and people who work hard and make good choices are rewarded for those choices. Sure, I could live off of welfare, but I'm pursuing an education and working to better myself. I want the house, the car, the guitars. So I work for them. I also want to make sure those that get sick are taken care of.

Nobody should go bankrupt because they get sick, period.

mikepegg44

so to summarize:

some want the "safety net" there to catch those who, through no fault of their own, are down on their luck and will contribute more in taxes than they use over their lifetime because of a want to succeed. Even if that means catching those who are trying to game the system with the same net.

some think the safety net is an excuse for people who don't want to work hard and are gaming the system and would like it changed, maybe to reward those that work hard and cannot get by, rather than the people who don't work at all, as a way to encourage hard work and personal responsibility, or not have a net at all holding people accountable for their actions and choices...

I think both are valid arguments but if you continue to go back and forth telling the other what they aren't seeing you will go in a circle for hours. This is a fundamental difference in philosophy, Blockhead isn't a hateful person hell bent on ruining lives, and polaris and _ aren't crazy socialists trying to ruin capitalism.

this thing has taken off like a bat out of hell

I happen to subscribe to the safety net that rewards those working hard rather than those who choose to not do anything. But I think it should be done at the state, county, or municipal level...preferably rewarding those that work hard and aren't able to make ends meet for one reason or another.

Sea

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