The superbowl, an outsiders perspective...

DS1119

SatansFuton wrote:

I think the biggest misconception is that these are the best athletes we have to offer, and that the game has been changed to make up for their lack of endurance or whatever. The big old fat dudes are that big on purpose, or if not, were chosen for being naturally that big. Just as wide receivers are chosen for their body size. They pack on mass to play the big man positions. The game of football and the pace has not been changed to cater to fat dudes. The pace of the game has always been the same.

Football is sort of a chess game, if you want something faster and non-stop, there are plenty of sports for that. Basketball, hockey, soccer whatever. Regardless of the stereotypical football fan being a stupid meathead, it's a pretty complicated game that requires a little bit of an attention span. I've been watching for almost 30 years and I learn new rules every year that I didn't even know. I learned one tonight about intentional grounding from the endzone being a safety.

If you aren't raised on it, or you don't care for it enough to watch it, it can look pretty dumb. But on the reverse I watch a game of Aussie Rules Football and it looks like a game of grabass. To each their own. And like somebody else said, if you don't like it, don't watch it.

+1. Very good post actually. Also, fuck Tom Brady!

lukin2006

SatansFuton wrote:

I think the biggest misconception is that these are the best athletes we have to offer, and that the game has been changed to make up for their lack of endurance or whatever. The big old fat dudes are that big on purpose, or if not, were chosen for being naturally that big. Just as wide receivers are chosen for their body size. They pack on mass to play the big man positions. The game of football and the pace has not been changed to cater to fat dudes. The pace of the game has always been the same.

Football is sort of a chess game, if you want something faster and non-stop, there are plenty of sports for that. Basketball, hockey, soccer whatever. Regardless of the stereotypical football fan being a stupid meathead, it's a pretty complicated game that requires a little bit of an attention span. I've been watching for almost 30 years and I learn new rules every year that I didn't even know. I learned one tonight about intentional grounding from the endzone being a safety.

If you aren't raised on it, or you don't care for it enough to watch it, it can look pretty dumb. But on the reverse I watch a game of Aussie Rules Football and it looks like a game of grabass. To each their own. And like somebody else said, if you don't like it, don't watch it.

Well said!!!

SatansFuton

22 wrote:

I think there are plenty of sports in the U.S. that demonstrate endurance and fitness skill. There are also a lot of men out on the field that are incredible athletes. Kinda unfair to lump the sport into the fat, nonathletic category. But it is true, as 81 said, that everybody is not going to love, or "get", everything.

This is a good point here too. The only big fat guys are the offensive and defensive linemen. If you look at the wide receivers, hardly an ounce of body fat. Running backs are usually shorter and more squat, but all muscle. Defensive secondary are much like receivers. The only fat dudes on the field are the fronts. It's actually kind of a good thing, because it's a game that even has a position for the fat kids who don't usually make the basketball team or whatever. There is a position for just about anybody in the game.

pjfan31

Well said stand futon and thanks for the insight.

I would just highlight when you said Aussie rules is a game of grabarse. No problems with that perspective. There is no way that I would shoot you down. I was merely sharing a view or two that would be shared by many non Americans.

Thanks again. Didn't realise this would stir up so many hahaha

81

SatansFuton wrote:

22 wrote:

I think there are plenty of sports in the U.S. that demonstrate endurance and fitness skill. There are also a lot of men out on the field that are incredible athletes. Kinda unfair to lump the sport into the fat, nonathletic category. But it is true, as 81 said, that everybody is not going to love, or "get", everything.

This is a good point here too. The only big fat guys are the offensive and defensive linemen. If you look at the wide receivers, hardly an ounce of body fat. Running backs are usually shorter and more squat, but all muscle. Defensive secondary are much like receivers. The only fat dudes on the field are the fronts. It's actually kind of a good thing, because it's a game that even has a position for the fat kids who don't usually make the basketball team or whatever. There is a position for just about anybody in the game.

fat kids can play baseball...just look at Fielder or CC

or if they are short fat people....tehy can get on the Jerome Bettis Bus.

pjfan31

To be fair I didn't lump the whole sport into one category. Of course there are fit guys. I am just saying that the stop start nature allows for the big guys. Now if it was a non stop sport played for 80minutes, separated by only a half time do you think the big guys would be able to survive? but in light of satans futons educating me, this is for a discussion not an insult

I enjoyed the spectacle of the event. And I'm sure if you guys sat through some of our sports you too would critique. And it's not a sport we're brought up on. It is a sport we would have to learn to appreciate. Appreciation of it doesn't come naturally. I attempted to appreciate it today and just shared some thoughts. Good to see Americans can take my observations in good spirits.

SatansFuton

pjfan31 wrote:

Well said stand futon and thanks for the insight.

I would just highlight when you said Aussie rules is a game of grabarse. No problems with that perspective. There is no way that I would shoot you down. I was merely sharing a view or two that would be shared by many non Americans.

Thanks again. Didn't realise this would stir up so many hahaha

Well I realize Aussie Rules Football isn't a game of grabass, I'm just saying when I turn it on, don't understand the rules, and it's not something I'm familiar with, that's what it looks like. I think the same can be said for a lot of sports. If not a game of grabass then a clusterfuck, as I once heard somebody describe the first game of hockey they ever saw.

81

pjfan31 wrote:

To be fair I didn't lump the whole sport into one category. Of course there are fit guys. I am just saying that the stop start nature allows for the big guys. Now if it was a non stop sport played for 80minutes, separated by only a half time do you think the big guys would be able to survive? but in light of satans futons educating me, this is for a discussion not an insult

I enjoyed the spectacle of the event. And I'm sure if you guys sat through some of our sports you too would critique. And it's not a sport we're brought up on. It is a sport we would have to learn to appreciate. Appreciation of it doesn't come naturally. I attempted to appreciate it today and just shared some thoughts. Good to see Americans can take my observations in good spirits.

now about that aussie beer :x

ZiggyStar

81 wrote:

pjfan31 wrote:

To be fair I didn't lump the whole sport into one category. Of course there are fit guys. I am just saying that the stop start nature allows for the big guys. Now if it was a non stop sport played for 80minutes, separated by only a half time do you think the big guys would be able to survive? but in light of satans futons educating me, this is for a discussion not an insult

I enjoyed the spectacle of the event. And I'm sure if you guys sat through some of our sports you too would critique. And it's not a sport we're brought up on. It is a sport we would have to learn to appreciate. Appreciation of it doesn't come naturally. I attempted to appreciate it today and just shared some thoughts. Good to see Americans can take my observations in good spirits.

now about that aussie beer :x

We don't fucking drink Fosters....we just sell that shit to you guys.

Stardog3..

pjfan31 wrote:

To be fair I didn't lump the whole sport into one category. Of course there are fit guys. I am just saying that the stop start nature allows for the big guys. Now if it was a non stop sport played for 80minutes, separated by only a half time do you think the big guys would be able to survive? but in light of satans futons educating me, this is for a discussion not an insult

I enjoyed the spectacle of the event. And I'm sure if you guys sat through some of our sports you too would critique. And it's not a sport we're brought up on. It is a sport we would have to learn to appreciate. Appreciation of it doesn't come naturally. I attempted to appreciate it today and just shared some thoughts. Good to see Americans can take my observations in good spirits.

My bad, my bad. When you said "It's like if you watched some of our sports, you may appreciate our endurance, fitness skill etc.... " I took it that way. I got ya now!

To be fair to the guys, we don't know if they would be able to. Even while some of them are big dudes, there's a lot that are very athletic and could very well be in condition to play that type of game. They train, condition, lift, etc. like the rest. They just must eat an exorbitant amount of calories. I'm sure some would and some wouldn't.

81

ZiggyStar wrote:

81 wrote:

now about that aussie beer :x

We don't fucking drink Fosters....we just sell that shit to you guys.

exactly....send some good shit over....cause the crap you are sending now....is crap

Pamela0222

I saw a damn good game, and a bunch of tight asses and strongs arms, I'm happy

SatansFuton

ZiggyStar wrote:

We don't fucking drink Fosters....we just sell that shit to you guys.

We don't drink it either

DS1119

SatansFuton wrote:

22 wrote:

I think there are plenty of sports in the U.S. that demonstrate endurance and fitness skill. There are also a lot of men out on the field that are incredible athletes. Kinda unfair to lump the sport into the fat, nonathletic category. But it is true, as 81 said, that everybody is not going to love, or "get", everything.

This is a good point here too. The only big fat guys are the offensive and defensive linemen. If you look at the wide receivers, hardly an ounce of body fat. Running backs are usually shorter and more squat, but all muscle. Defensive secondary are much like receivers. The only fat dudes on the field are the fronts. It's actually kind of a good thing, because it's a game that even has a position for the fat kids who don't usually make the basketball team or whatever. There is a position for just about anybody in the game.

One more point. I would like to see anyone on this board call an NFL offensive or defensive lineman fat. Those guys can bench press a small car and can run unhuman like 40 yard dash times. Some may have additional mass around the mid section but they are hardly just fat guys.

SatansFuton

DS1119 wrote:

One more point. I would like to see anyone on this board call an NFL offensive or defensive lineman fat. Those guys can bench press a small car and can run unhuman like 40 yard dash times. Some may have additional mass around the mid section but they are hardly just fat guys.

Shut up fatty

DS1119

SatansFuton wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

One more point. I would like to see anyone on this board call an NFL offensive or defensive lineman fat. Those guys can bench press a small car and can run unhuman like 40 yard dash times. Some may have additional mass around the mid section but they are hardly just fat guys.

Shut up fatty

I wish!

pjfan31

Haha. Good to see we are getting on the same page.

81, see if you can find a fat yak. It is beautiful. If you can find it on tap, the better. If not bottle will do.

Jennytree

SatansFuton wrote:

ZiggyStar wrote:

We don't fucking drink Fosters....we just sell that shit to you guys.

We don't drink it either

Does anyone?

From my perspective, I can't really get into the stop-start nature of the game either. I find it quite frustrating having so much talking and yapping and people etc etc. I've started to enjoy rugby a bit more now and to go from that (where the big lads are 20 stone of pure muscle, can still run about for the whole game etc) to where there's so much padding and stopping involved isn't fun. Although I'm sure if any of you were to have a look at GAA football or hurling... especially hurling, you'd think we're crazy