so,how cool and easy is lottery system,

dimitrispearljam

MG79478 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

we both pay same money membership..we must have same chances...
all have the same chances,tall,sort,goodlookig,big tv,small tv,big car, small car..
membership is no choice to buy better than others.,my money is the same as yours per year..
why to trying better their situation..membership cost all members the same

Ignoring the different levels of membership, we all do pay the same money for membership. We all also all have the same opportunity to get tickets in the current system. Some people take the initiative and some don't. You seem to just gloss over this point. Anyone can put in the time and effort that I do to get tickets. If you don't put in the time and effort, then it's just not that important to you. If I have an advantage (such as faster internet) that you want but can't afford, maybe it will inspire you to go back to school or work some overtime (to better your situation). People should be rewarded for effort, not randomly in a lottery.

what??cant afford?school?work more???
what are talking about???i live in greece,livanon,africa,whereever...internet isnt the same in all the planet
and in some places presale time is at 3 am always...
my money per year is the same as your...internet connection must NOT have to do with scoring tix...
10c club get it....they made their choices..glad they did...

dimitrispearljam

LukinFan wrote:

I thought it worked out well. Now, I'm partial because I "won" the lottery, but I do wish more people on here won it as well

il give you an exable..you remember the ny2 poster sale??why you couldnt buy it?
you had the money, right?,you have internet connection,right?
but you are a teacher and need to be in classroom than wait and f5 at good section...
all members ..same chances to all...10c seems get it and try to do it..its more than ok for me..
score or not,lucky or unlucky..we are not talking about our little selfs here,but if a system works and was same for all..

78FLH

MG79478 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

we both pay same money membership..we must have same chances...
all have the same chances,tall,sort,goodlookig,big tv,small tv,big car, small car..
membership is no choice to buy better than others.,my money is the same as yours per year..
why to trying better their situation..membership cost all members the same

Ignoring the different levels of membership, we all do pay the same money for membership. We all also all have the same opportunity to get tickets in the current system. Some people take the initiative and some don't. You seem to just gloss over this point. Anyone can put in the time and effort that I do to get tickets. If you don't put in the time and effort, then it's just not that important to you. If I have an advantage (such as faster internet) that you want but can't afford, maybe it will inspire you to go back to school or work some overtime (to better your situation). People should be rewarded for effort, not randomly in a lottery.

Very well stated sir :thumbup: :thumbup:

Indi4ence

LukinFan wrote:

I thought it worked out well. Now, I'm partial because I "won" the lottery, but I do wish more people on here won it as well

I'm in the same boat. The only reason why i dont like the whole lottery system is because the outcome is out of my hands. Although the previous system was a complete nightmare (especially when trying for tix in NYC), i was only shut out of tix once or twice. I sat on the computer for hours getting tix for MSG and AV pressing F5 with multiple computers on using multiple browsers. The lottery system is definitely fairer and more convenient for people.

it also depends on how they do the lottery, are people who were shut out for say a previous tour lottery or show weighted heavier in the next lotto. For example, i know people who have won the 1-2,9-10 lottery multiple times but i never have.

JMo

BF89905 wrote:

JMo wrote:

I didn't enter this lottery. It seems easy enough, but I think they need to find a happy medium.

I have been in this club a long time. You know what, it was hard earned, in the beginning. Heck, all the way up to 2003! I camped in front of Wherehouse Music to score tickets in 93. I dealt with the 1995 No Sponsor ticket fiasco. I mailed in postcards and money orders. I would drive from show to show, to ensure I was first in line for the best chance at tickets. I understand not everyone could do this, but it took planning and dedication. I took vacation days and planned it out. Sometimes you make sacrifices and it works out. Sometimes it doesn't.

I totally support the random rows at PJ shows, even though it pushes me back from my days up front. I've been to a fair amount of shows. Mostly West Coast, which they don't play as often or as many as the East. But they will need to figure something out by the next PJ tour. I have my opinions and suggestions, but everyone seems to be adding their two cents.

In short; this lottery system for little EV venues (which seems to have somewhat worked) is just not going to cut it for the big tours. Plain and simple.

DMB has been using a similar lottery system to what PJ has newly adopted so such a system can cut it for arena/stadium tours

I'm not saying, a lottery could not work. They just need to figure it out before a big tour comes along with a much higher demand.

I appreciate the 10C. They have been pretty good to me over the years. And yes, in 1995 I was given a crack at tickets before general on-sale. Yes, they were general admission. But same goes for EV, right? I mean, no one has a clue where their seats will be! A lottery within a lottery.

RedMosquito22

MG79478 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

we both pay same money membership..we must have same chances...
all have the same chances,tall,sort,goodlookig,big tv,small tv,big car, small car..
membership is no choice to buy better than others.,my money is the same as yours per year..
why to trying better their situation..membership cost all members the same

Ignoring the different levels of membership, we all do pay the same money for membership. We all also all have the same opportunity to get tickets in the current system. Some people take the initiative and some don't. You seem to just gloss over this point. Anyone can put in the time and effort that I do to get tickets. If you don't put in the time and effort, then it's just not that important to you. If I have an advantage (such as faster internet) that you want but can't afford, maybe it will inspire you to go back to school or work some overtime (to better your situation). People should be rewarded for effort, not randomly in a lottery.

Actually not everyone has access to a computer at 2pm on a Wednesday so no we don't all have the same chances. Not to mention your comments are downright offensive.

JimmyV

RedMosquito22 wrote:

MG79478 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

we both pay same money membership..we must have same chances...
all have the same chances,tall,sort,goodlookig,big tv,small tv,big car, small car..
membership is no choice to buy better than others.,my money is the same as yours per year..
why to trying better their situation..membership cost all members the same

Ignoring the different levels of membership, we all do pay the same money for membership. We all also all have the same opportunity to get tickets in the current system. Some people take the initiative and some don't. You seem to just gloss over this point. Anyone can put in the time and effort that I do to get tickets. If you don't put in the time and effort, then it's just not that important to you. If I have an advantage (such as faster internet) that you want but can't afford, maybe it will inspire you to go back to school or work some overtime (to better your situation). People should be rewarded for effort, not randomly in a lottery.

Actually not everyone has access to a computer at 2pm on a Wednesday so no we don't all have the same chances. Not to mention your comments are downright offensive.

Holy crap...the lottery is so cool and easy it is making me agree with RedMosquito22! You are absolutely correct here, sir.

DewieCox

I don't think a lottery is necessary for most PJ shows, but in the ones that need it there really isn't a good argument against it.

Another thing I think would be cool to do is give local fans priority and seniority.

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan

Count me in with those who do not want a lottery system. Its not always about internet connection, its also about effort. I see people on the form bitching about getting shut out 10 minutes into the presale while I'm still refreshing and working the presale ticket page. Sometimes it took 30 minutes or more before the buy button popped back up and I was able to score tickets, but I was rewarded for my effort. I've only been shut out once and its not because I have the worlds fastest internet connection. I put in the extra effort that others did not. I understand that not everyone can be on their computer at a certain time of day, but that's just how it works. Ticketmaster tickets go on sale at a certain time of day...not everyone can always be there. Its just the way it is.

pjsteelerfan

DewieCox wrote:

Another thing I think would be cool to do is give local fans priority and seniority.

This won't work unless they tour the whole country, otherwise every one in the south is screwed.

dustinpardue

I didn't try for tickets this time, however this is the quiestest and calmest I've seen the boards around ticket time in years. Must be a great system. Seems a lot less frustrating.

DewieCox

pjsteelerfan wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

Another thing I think would be cool to do is give local fans priority and seniority.

This won't work unless they tour the whole country, otherwise every one in the south is screwed.

True, but maybe each person could pick their "local" show. I'd prolly be shut out of anything local too. I live 100 miles from any city they've ever played.

Cosmo

Another suggestion/idea...
In those cities with multiple gigs... flip the seniority.
Example:
Night One... ascending seniority, 000001 to 999999.
Night Two... descending seniority, 999999 to 000001
...
This way, even if your number is 479,432... on Night Two, you have a pretty good shot at the first few rows.
Abolish the controversial Row 1,2,9,10 lottery to eliminate any thought of unfairness and/or favoritism.
...
If there is a Night Three... random order. The little envelopes with our names on them... mixed in a barrel... pulled and stuffed in a random order. The first envelope pulled gets the first pair of tickets... pure and simple. No time and too much effort for cherry picking names and tickets, so there are no grumblings or accusations or denials.

DewieCox

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan wrote:

Count me in with those who do not want a lottery system. Its not always about internet connection, its also about effort. I see people on the form bitching about getting shut out 10 minutes into the presale while I'm still refreshing and working the presale ticket page. Sometimes it took 30 minutes or more before the buy button popped back up and I was able to score tickets, but I was rewarded for my effort. I've only been shut out once and its not because I have the worlds fastest internet connection. I put in the extra effort that others did not. I understand that not everyone can be on their computer at a certain time of day, but that's just how it works. Ticketmaster tickets go on sale at a certain time of day...not everyone can always be there. Its just the way it is.

With the lottery everybody puts forth the same effort and has the same chances. Ticketmaster isn't really known to do things the fairest way. Still, they usually do a pretty good job with their onsale times being at a time when the most people are available to buy.



I'd also like to hear more about the "sabotage" with the signed boxed set and rows 1,2,9,10 ticket lottery.

Cosmo

DewieCox wrote:

pjsteelerfan wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

Another thing I think would be cool to do is give local fans priority and seniority.

This won't work unless they tour the whole country, otherwise every one in the south is screwed.

True, but maybe each person could pick their "local" show. I'd prolly be shut out of anything local too. I live 100 miles from any city they've ever played.

...
Not necessarily a matter of physical location... more about a SINGLE Selection.
Example: I live in L.A. I can choose L.A., if I want to. I can also choose Council Bluffs as my ONE pick. It means the possibility of a better seat... but, it also means airfare, airports, hotel, ground transportation and vacation days. So, i choose L.A. because I live here and can drive to the gig and sleep in my own bed afterwards.
I must decide which is more important... dumping a bunch of cash, or just enjoying what comes my way.

JimmyV

No solution is perfect but this is much better than what we faced for Alpine, for early in the Canada sale, and for every Northeast show in the last several years.

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan

DewieCox wrote:

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan wrote:

Count me in with those who do not want a lottery system. Its not always about internet connection, its also about effort. I see people on the form bitching about getting shut out 10 minutes into the presale while I'm still refreshing and working the presale ticket page. Sometimes it took 30 minutes or more before the buy button popped back up and I was able to score tickets, but I was rewarded for my effort. I've only been shut out once and its not because I have the worlds fastest internet connection. I put in the extra effort that others did not. I understand that not everyone can be on their computer at a certain time of day, but that's just how it works. Ticketmaster tickets go on sale at a certain time of day...not everyone can always be there. Its just the way it is.

With the lottery everybody puts forth the same effort and has the same chances. Ticketmaster isn't really known to do things the fairest way. Still, they usually do a pretty good job with their onsale times being at a time when the most people are available to buy.



I'd also like to hear more about the "sabotage" with the signed boxed set and rows 1,2,9,10 ticket lottery.

Ticketmaster usually puts tickets on sale at 10am local time. Most people with jobs are at work at that time. 95% of all tickets go on sale at a set time and its never going to work for everyone. If I want to buy tickets to a show in Europe, I would expect to get up at 3am if I live in America. They can't placate everyone.

That being said, I don't think you should need refresh and spend an inordinate amount of time trying to buy tickets either. I just don't understand why they have not been able to figure out a viable way to sell their fan club tickets.

As for "Sabotage" and lotteries not being lotteries - I think there are going to be conspiracy theorists when the 10C says entries will be randomly selected through a computerized process and somehow it takes 10+ hours and we get "updates" saying we're still drawing names. I've yet to understand that one.

DewieCox

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan wrote:

Ticketmaster usually puts tickets on sale at 10am local time. Most people with jobs are at work at that time. 95% of all tickets go on sale at a set time and its never going to work for everyone. If I want to buy tickets to a show in Europe, I would expect to get up at 3am if I live in America. They can't placate everyone.

That being said, I don't think you should need refresh and spend an inordinate amount of time trying to buy tickets either. I just don't understand why they have not been able to figure out a viable way to sell their fan club tickets.

Aren't most onsales Saturday mornings? There's one place I get tix for that has their onsale at 5pm on Fridays and that works great, too.

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan

DewieCox wrote:

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan wrote:

Ticketmaster usually puts tickets on sale at 10am local time. Most people with jobs are at work at that time. 95% of all tickets go on sale at a set time and its never going to work for everyone. If I want to buy tickets to a show in Europe, I would expect to get up at 3am if I live in America. They can't placate everyone.

That being said, I don't think you should need refresh and spend an inordinate amount of time trying to buy tickets either. I just don't understand why they have not been able to figure out a viable way to sell their fan club tickets.

Aren't most onsales Saturday mornings? There's one place I get tix for that has their onsale at 5pm on Fridays and that works great, too.

Some are on Saturdays, but just like all the EV tickets, most are on Fridays.

klusterfuk

the lottery blows.