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whygohome

Too many teachers I know--friends, family--are simply unhappy with their jobs. The kids sucks, and the parents are even worse.

What's the incentive to become a teacher these days? Why not just go work on Wall St.?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

hedonist wrote:

Hey there, Thirty - I'm damning this particular sick fuck and others like him, but by no means am I holding that paintbrush to all within one group.

Perhaps this could be likened to the goings-on in the Catholic church - it would be unfair to damn an entire faction based on the actions of some.

I hope you don't think I was directing my comment towards anyone in particular!

hedonist

Nope, we're cool!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

whygohome wrote:

Too many teachers I know--friends, family--are simply unhappy with their jobs. The kids sucks, and the parents are even worse.

What's the incentive to become a teacher these days? Why not just go work on Wall St.?

Bingo. What is the incentive? 6 years of university- sacrificing employable years and going into significant debt... to enter a job that pays $45,000 and faces the scornful eye of the public so quick to criticize. I could write forever on this but I'll try to keep it concise.

From a personal perspective, I love teaching and coaching. In Canada, they pay coaches $0. Nothing. No coaches get paid or get their time compensated to perform coaching duties. In the 20 years I have taught, I have coached basketball every year (as well as football and rugby on various occasions) and at a high level which has demanded a lot of my time (I have had 3 kids from my program play on our National Team and 18 kids play for colleges/universities). I do it for the reasons I got into Education: a desire to make a difference for kids and passion for sport.

I'm not trying to paint myself as a hero, I'm illustrating that there are people out there performing thankless tasks for the betterment of our youth. Expecting this type of goodwill is unreasonable though- and many schools suffer because of it. Sticking with the 'athletics' genre: there's a reason why Canada falls short of developing its athletes- it's hit and miss. If a kid goes to a school where someone works at it (volunteering)their time... kids do better. If a kid goes to a school where that type of 'goodwill' doesn't exist... the kid simply doesn't get the experience they might have otherwise ("Oh well. John's dad will coach though!").

Depressingly, it seems as if Canadian society is okay with this 'hit and miss' school model. We gladly shell out tons of cash to publicly defend pricks such as the one in the depressing story that started this thread. Then we gladly shell out tons of cash to house, feed and 'rehabilitate' the shithead. Throw in some parole hearings, etc. and before you know it... TONS of cash pulled out of the general pot. For a fucking loser. How about a bullet or a gulag for an individual such as the thread subject? Tons of cash to go to the important and worthy programs... not to mention- justice!

But no... we underfund school programs, pay teachers like shit, and then expect outstanding things from them. You pay for what you get. We pay for a nice, cushy penal system (with X-Boxes and Movies and 3 squares a day); yet we won't pay for an athletic program (our AD gets... seriously now... $4000 from our local district to run our entire athletic program: JV and senior football, 8 basketball teams, 4 soccer teams, 4 volleyball teams, golf, curling, badminton, wrestling and cheerleading). Not only do you have to give up your time to coach, you have to go fund raise so that parents can have their kids in sport. Wanna do it?

Trust me when I say academia has their issues as well relevant to underfunding, but this has been long enough.

In summary: this guy sucks shit and deserves to die painfully... and our education system is a result of the whole's willingness to 'accept' broken models and point fingers when we don't like the results.

Jeanwah

whygohome wrote:

Too many teachers I know--friends, family--are simply unhappy with their jobs. The kids sucks, and the parents are even worse.

What's the incentive to become a teacher these days? Why not just go work on Wall St.?

From what I've seen and heard, many have gone into teaching for selfish reasons: summers off, nice schedule, and not for the right reasons: caring about kids' education.

Not all mind you, there are some great teachers out there... but there are a lot who got into for other reasons.

chadwick

both my parents went to catholic school, they were in the same class even. dad was in trouble often like a lot of the boys were, mom not so much.

in private catholic school back in the 50's and 60's when you got busted smoking you got beat the fuck up, literally.

back then nuns (not all of them) taught with brutality.

mom was talking with her friend(s) during class. the nun, sister john the baptist grabbed her old panty hose and crammed them into mom's mouth and mom's friend's mouth and that is that. mom tells of the stories.

she remembers the horrible smell and disgusting taste of the panty hoses and the fact that nun, sister john the baptist crammed the panty hose so forcefully into her mouth that mom could feel the nun's fingers touching her throat and spreading her mouth fully open and making her gag.

dad was punched and beat with large wooden pointers.

dad was dressing up after gym class without taking a shower... ok. ok. ok. says the gym teacher. we'll show him, he says to himself...

next time in the lockerroom dad wasn't getting a shower after physical education class... gym teacher grabs my dad whilst dad is fully clothed in regular school clothes and throws my dad into the showers...
this was dad's last class of the day... so it being febuary and well below freezing, dad walks home, over a mile in weather very cold.

dad walks into his house to find his mom cooking dinner. grandma is fit to be tied when she sees and hear what had happened. "you just wait until your father gets home, he will have a talk with that gym teacher"...... and he did.

harold about had a heart attack in the father's office, principal's office... im paying good money for my son to attend this school. if i ever see that gym class teacher im killin the guy, this and that, harold freakin out like all good WWII veterans do. you get me that p.e. class teacher guy and you get him in here now, as he shouts at the priest guy in charge of the school.

then weeks or months or years later,,, same priest...bust ya smokin,,,boom he'd punch ya square in the gut and slap ya across the face several times.

in this school they had boxing. he, the priest, was the boxing coach.

Shawshank

This guy is probably going to get unlimited spoonfuls of semen in prison I'm sure. I sometimes wonder what happens in the wiring of someone's brain that causes them to do something like this. I mean what must have happened to this guy as a kid? Are people just inherently born like this, or is it something that evolves from experiences that may have been even worse than what he is doing?

josevolution

We have become numb as a nation everyday you hear/read about more & more dispicable crimes ....

This fuck should just be dead but hi's not instead he will end up in a cell wich cost alot to the tax payers .....

hedonist

Thirty Bills, this isn't said facetiously - you're to be commended for giving a shit (and that shouldn't even HAVE to be said). I had some stellar teachers growing up who gave of themselves so much, but many of the kids couldn't be bothered. I'm glad they focused on those who wanted to learn, who were open to it. I think that's part of the problem too...and stems from many points, I'm sure.

I'm not sure how tenure works in Canada. What do you think of it being so difficult to get rid of a tenured teacher who's doing a shit job? Or of the POS subject of this thread being entitled to receive close to $4,000 a month in pension because he didn't "fraudently earn it"?

PS to chadwick...holy shit, man.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

hedonist wrote:

Thirty Bills, this isn't said facetiously - you're to be commended for giving a shit (and that shouldn't even HAVE to be said). I had some stellar teachers growing up who gave of themselves so much, but many of the kids couldn't be bothered. I'm glad they focused on those who wanted to learn, who were open to it. I think that's part of the problem too...and stems from many points, I'm sure.

I'm not sure how tenure works in Canada. What do you think of it being so difficult to get rid of a tenured teacher who's doing a shit job? Or of the POS subject of this thread being entitled to receive close to $4,000 a month in pension because he didn't "fraudently earn it"?

PS to chadwick...holy shit, man.

I'm all for accountability. I'm not sure exactly what that would look like given the difficulty in measuring 'teaching', but there must be a method for making teachers accountable and I would endorse any technique that would reasonably do so. Test scores and results for students cannot be the sole determinant in measuring the effectiveness or worth of a teacher. These do tell something, but several factors outside of the teacher's domain contribute to student success (or failure).

The shithead should have his pension go towards damages he has inflicted. It's not the law (which strives so hard to protect the rights of the criminal), but I feel he's not entitled to anything- he's forfeited all. If I had my way... he'd be dangling from a noose.

SweetChildofMine

According to the LA Times, "a former student of Berndt said the school was informed about Berndt's unusual behavior two decades ago, but did nothing about it."

This make me ill. I cant even read it without being completely disgusted and saddened. Then I see a article that 500 sexual abuse claims against the Archdiocese of Milwaukee.

You take a fragile child and scar and fuck them up for life. Then we wonder about social problems.

iluvcats

this is a very sad thread. I'm sorry for the children that experienced abuse at school.
Teachers are supposed to keep kids safe.

Hi Hedonist. This is the first time I've seen you post in probably years

hedonist

Apparently now a third teacher at the school is involved? She'd help to provide "food" for the monsters.

So they're switching out the teachers there, bringing in a new crew. Has to be confusing for the little ones...and who's to say there aren't sick fucks in there too?

Not damning them all, but I couldn't help think "meet the new staff, same as the old staff"



(hello back, iluvcats!)

stargirl69

This story and other peoples stories makes me so sad.I can't tolerate why these events keep happening time and again.
I went to school with a kid from a really troubled background,he was a wild kid and a handful for the teachers but he was also sweet gentle natured and funny.The reputation of his families name preceded him throughout his childhood.
When changing in gym class one day he was covered in bruises,welts and burns.In front of the class the teacher asked him how he got the mark,the kid said his stepdad had beat him the previous night,burned him with cigarettes and threw him out the house,he had slept under the house that night.The teacher didn't believe him instead he beat him with a rope for lying.The teacher who should have been there to report what the kid had said and file a child protection concern only served to beat this kid more.
This was in the mid 70's I so wish for a day when everyone in society takes personal responsibility for protecting kids.
Society is already feeling the immense pressure of abused damaged children growing up to adulthood ill-equipped for life and living productively in society.