You look so precious

hedonist

First time I saw this video – Prison Sex by Tool – it brought me to unexpected tears...especially at the NO-not-again-can’t-take-anymore moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5sIXUbMgF0

It’s been rolling around in my head since I saw this story on the news this morning.

A local LA elementary-school teacher who’s been on the job for over 30 years has apparently been binding and gagging various students (in the classroom, no less), feeding them spoonfuls of his semen, and putting large cockroaches on their faces (what...the...FUCK?)

http://www.myfoxla.com/dpp/news/local/t ... -201201301

My empathetic side wonders, what in whatever’s name was done to this person, to make him inflict such monstrosities upon innocents? What happened to make THAT what it takes to get him off?

(and mind you, I’m of the whatever-gets-you-through-the-night school of thought, but do not fuck with those who have no concept of consent)

And, my angrier non-empathetic side feels…why is this piece of shit still alive? Harsh as it sounds, I wish someone would put him out of these children’s misery.

I wish I didn’t feel this way...but, I do.

I’m curious to know your thoughts (not necessarily on my view – although, feel free) but moreso on...what now?

justam

When I was in elementary school in San Francisco I distinctly remember the second grade teacher taking the boy that say next to me into the cloak room to "discipline" him. We used to hear him slapping the child. I don't know why no one ever did anything about it. It was strange but I remember it clearly. That little boy and I were desk partners and we had to sit directly in front of the teacher's desk.

That was back in the days when they "bussed" kids from poor neighborhoods into the nicer neighborhoods. The boy was bussed in and very active. :(

As an adult, I look back on that and wonder about it.

Monster Rain

I don't think there's a word for this guy other than "monster." He's also incredibly stupid. What kind of moron would take pictures of himslef doing that and bring them to the store to be developed? He will not fare well in prison, especially in Los Angeles. I have serious doubts that he'll survive very long.

justam

I can't even look at articles like that because my memory is so good this type of horror story gives me nightmares.

hedonist

Yeah, when they prefaced the story with "this may be upsetting to some viewers", I pfffft'ed...and damned if I was beyond "upset".

I also thought, "turned in a roll to be developed"? Dipshit.

justam, that story breaks my heart. I only hope that those abused/hit/fucked with break the chain.

justam

Hedonist, I'm sorry you have to remember that article now. Yikes! :(

Cosmo

When I was in the 4th grade, during recess, me and a friend got in trouble for chasing the girls around with a dead spider we found on the playground. We thought this was the way we could play with the girls... without playing with the girls.
We got in trouble and had to stay in during the lunch play period. Our teacher made us lay across 2 of the wooden chairs with damp rags from the janitor closet across our eyes. If we moved, she'd slam a book closed next to our ears. She also closed all of the windows and turned the heat all the way up.
I was okay, but my friend.. who was one of those really, really pale white kids... got a nasty rash across his eyes from the rags. Those were the rags the janitor used to clean the bathrooms and had solvent/cleaner on them. We were told that if we told our parents, we would be expelled from school and end up in juvenile hall... so we told our parents we were playing on the hillside after school and must have gotten poison oak on us.
...
It dawned on me later about this teacher. When she was Miss XXXX, she was mean and always pissed off. When she became Mrs. YYYY... she was nice and my younger brothers and sister loved her. So, I kind of understand he being pissed off... especially on Mondays... and harbor no hard feelings. I was kind of a punk kid in school.

hedonist

We were told that if we told our parents, we would be expelled from school and end up in juvenile hall... so we told our parents we were playing on the hillside after school and must have gotten poison oak on us

Damn, Cosmo. This too breaks my heart...and I admire your being free of ill will for her. Although, you almost have to...that baggage would be too heavy to lug around for life.

green mountain man

My 7th grade music teacher became frustrated with my inability to learn the scales.
He took me to the coat room and hung me by my collar on a coat hook.
In 7th grade gym class I was doing my jumping jacks out of cadence.
The gym teacher threw a basketball off my head.
In 2nd grade religion class I spilled my milk.
A nun then slapped me across the face

hedonist

Agh...what is wrong with some people?

I'm so sorry for what you went through, mountain man.

So, what's to be done? When people do the things you've all described...and done worse as in the article?

Punishment or rehabilitation (if that's even possible)?

BinauralJam

Medical Experimentation, This guy just Volunteered.

green mountain man

hedonist wrote:

Agh...what is wrong with some people?

I'm so sorry for what you went through, mountain man.

So, what's to be done? When people do the things you've all described...and done worse as in the article?

Punishment or rehabilitation (if that's even possible)?

The incidents that happened to me occured during 1967- 1972. Back then stuff like this was common .
Today the teachers would be terminated and arrested.
Punishment definitely. Rehab determined on a case by case basis.

polaris_x

i can't believe this stuff happens without anyone knowing about it ...

whygohome

For all of you who had traumatic experiences, did you tell your parents?

hedonist

whygohome, I didn't think that would be such a difficult question, but it is...and I'm not sure how candidly I can answer it here, now.

Let's see...

I...alluded...to it. Didn't come right out and say what was going on until it came to a head, so to speak.

After I spoke up, I wish my mother had handled things differently.

Before I spoke up, I wish I had handled things differently. (How? Dunno...I was a kid...but still, the wishing resonates after the fact)

I wish I had told my father.

I wish, I wish...I guess it never stops.

I will say, though, that almost 35-40 years after the fact, I think I've finally forgiven the monster of my childhood, and more importantly, myself.

As Lennon said..."I just had to let it go"

Jeanwah

My husband asked me today while eating lunch at a cafe across the street from the town school why I don't try to get a job at the school. I told him I don't really want to know all the secrets that go on in the school: the secrets of the teachers, the secrets of the students, and the baggage that goes with both. (and I really like the school overall). I do need to know what goes on with MY kid, but there's something that dissuades me from working at a school... and this thread just makes me physically ill. Maybe I know why.

hedonist

I'm sorry...it wasn't my intent to upset anyone, nor did I think I'd so intimately revisit (at least in my mind) something I don't particularly care to focus on these days.

I was more curious about what to do with people who prey on others like this.

brianlux

Jeanwah wrote:

My husband asked me today while eating lunch at a cafe across the street from the town school why I don't try to get a job at the school. I told him I don't really want to know all the secrets that go on in the school: the secrets of the teachers, the secrets of the students, and the baggage that goes with both. (and I really like the school overall). I do need to know what goes on with MY kid, but there's something that dissuades me from working at a school... and this thread just makes me physically ill. Maybe I know why.

I'm tempted to say, "Good choice not to take the job," Jeanwah, and that's sad. We need good workers/teachers in our schools and yet they can be brutal places. One of my elementary school teachers used to beat us with thick rulers and take us outside and shake us like a can of paint. He was let go after shaking a kid with a wall too behind him and knocking him out cold.

It can be rough for teacher too, though, especially for subs. I knew a sub who was badly beaten, another who had a sharp object thrown at her (it just missed) and during the years I subbed I got knocked down in a gym class from a basket ball hitting me in the face and everybody just walked over me, had fire crackers thrown at me, had a large nail wrapped on a pole held to my throat, (to name just a few abuses) and yet I was very well like by most kids a requested quite often. And the thing is, these kids are learning this behavior from monsters like the subject in question-- not to mention the prevailing worship of violence in film and on TV.

hedonist

Just heard that this motherfucker is still eligible for his pension and health benefits.

Something is very wrong here.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Folks...

Let's not paint everyone with the same brush here. I am a teacher. This case is very extreme (I can't remember another like it). Think of how many schools there are and all the good that happens within them compared to the various abuse cases we hear of.

I too faced 'stricter' punitve measures as a child growing up throughout the 70s; however, standards have changed since then. Teachers have become much more tolerant and less abusive than what they were in the past. I have my story as well where school became 'physical' (not sexual) for me with a teacher- but I can admit that I kind of asked for it (just not that extreme of punishment).

I will beat no political drum here. This case is sickening. This guy is a demented freak and deserves the worst we can give him. If I'm a parent... it might be 'A Time To Kill'; however, try to keep in mind that 'generalizing' is an extremely poor practice and ultimately is the seed for negative stereotypes. You'll find shitheads in every profession.

The real thing about this is story is: with some notable exceptions... the shitheads are most always men. Nearly every violent, perverted, sinful act committed against an individual or the masses is by one of our gender. WTF is wrong with us?

hedonist

Hey there, Thirty - I'm damning this particular sick fuck and others like him, but by no means am I holding that paintbrush to all within one group.

Perhaps this could be likened to the goings-on in the Catholic church - it would be unfair to damn an entire faction based on the actions of some.