Haven't read all through this lately but saw something on our news
not too long ago...
There are employees who must pay into this health insurance plan who
feel this goes against their own beliefs also ... not just that of the employer
we have had these individuals on the local news who would choose not to carry
health insurance ... I would imagine if all feel this way the employer would not have to
provide nor incur the costs of insurance or fines, if all choose to sign an insurance waiver.
and my thought I wonder if any fines incurred are perhaps less costly than providing insurance
to employees in the first place
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
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memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I think a better analogy would be if Jewish employers forbid their employees from using their paychecks to buy pork.
Well, while I'm on the same side of this discussion as you...your analogy is off.
Currently, the employees can use their paychecks to pay for the pill. Their employers just don't want to have to pay directly for it through insurance.
I think a better analogy would be if Jewish employers forbid their employees from using their paychecks to buy pork.
Well, while I'm on the same side of this discussion as you...your analogy is off.
Currently, the employees can use their paychecks to pay for the pill. Their employers just don't want to have to pay directly for it through insurance.
Hey, I said it was a better analogy, not a perfect one.
Kittens reduce stress levels and therefore prevent mental and physical illness. By standing against the gov't forcing health insurance companies to provide free kittens to American citizens Republicans are standing in the way of peoples right to those things which keep them in good health. They are denying people their access to those things that provide them with good health. Republicans want people to die. People have a right to free kittens and republicans would use states' rights to ban and kill every kitten in the world. Thats a fact. Its all very scientific...and I'm outraged!
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Kittens reduce stress levels and therefore prevent mental and physical illness. By standing against the gov't forcing health insurance companies to provide free kittens to American citizens Republicans are standing in the way of peoples right to those things which keep them in good health. They are denying people their access to those things that provide them with good health. Republicans want people to die. People have a right to free kittens and republicans would use states' rights to ban and kill every kitten in the world. Thats a fact. Its all very scientific...and I'm outraged!
:roll:
The policy is in support of the recommendations of the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force about the prevention methods that are most important and are supported by the greatest evidence. But go ahead and trivialize it since you have nothing of substance to say; you're just demonstrating your ignorance.
Kittens reduce stress levels and therefore prevent mental and physical illness. By standing against the gov't forcing health insurance companies to provide free kittens to American citizens Republicans are standing in the way of peoples right to those things which keep them in good health. They are denying people their access to those things that provide them with good health. Republicans want people to die. People have a right to free kittens and republicans would use states' rights to ban and kill every kitten in the world. Thats a fact. Its all very scientific...and I'm outraged!
:roll:
The policy is in support of the recommendations of the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force about the prevention methods that are most important and are supported by the greatest evidence. But go ahead and trivialize it since you have nothing of substance to say; you're just demonstrating your ignorance.
if they took the time to research the impact kittens have on their owners, they'd say the same thing. It's the same logic, just not as much background research has been done to support it.
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Kittens reduce stress levels and therefore prevent mental and physical illness. By standing against the gov't forcing health insurance companies to provide free kittens to American citizens Republicans are standing in the way of peoples right to those things which keep them in good health. They are denying people their access to those things that provide them with good health. Republicans want people to die. People have a right to free kittens and republicans would use states' rights to ban and kill every kitten in the world. Thats a fact. Its all very scientific...and I'm outraged!
:roll:
The policy is in support of the recommendations of the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force about the prevention methods that are most important and are supported by the greatest evidence. But go ahead and trivialize it since you have nothing of substance to say; you're just demonstrating your ignorance.
if they took the time to research the impact kittens have on their owners, they'd say the same thing. It's the same logic, just not as much background research has been done to support it.
I'm so glad you know more about medical care than the nation's leading physicians. :roll:
Want I want to know from all you people who think random individuals should be able to dictate the health care of all the people who work for businesses they own or manage is:
Does this supposed right of theirs apply to life-saving medical care? Do I have a right to deny you access to life-saving medical care based on my own personal beliefs??
Want I want to know from all you people who think random individuals should be able to dictate the health care of all the people who work for businesses they own or manage is:
Does this supposed right of theirs apply to life-saving medical care? Do I have a right to deny you access to life-saving medical care based on my own personal beliefs??
I think HIPAA covers that
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Half of all Americans say they oppose the Obama administration's new policy concerning employer-provided health insurance plans and their coverage of contraceptive services for female employees including those at religiously affiliated institutions, according to a new national survey out today.
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They can deny treatment? Yes? They can deny any part of their health coverage. Haven't we been telling them for years they need to accept treatments? So its allowable for them to deny any part of health care or whatever based on their religious beliefs.
The same goes for contraceptives. You have to offer the pethora of services to everyone its up to an individual to use or not to use. You cannot take away the freedom choice away because one person says we have to or you are infringing.
Half of all Americans say they oppose the Obama administration's new policy concerning employer-provided health insurance plans and their coverage of contraceptive services for female employees including those at religiously affiliated institutions, according to a new national survey out today.
Keep spewing your trash statistics with headlines ONLY reads.
Its a 50/50 poll with the intelligent people supporting and the other half not ... READ the fine lines on the CNN Poll. With the majority of the American people uneducated about the whole situation as a whole. AND I QUOTE:
"According to the survey, 50% of the public disapproves of the Obama administration policy, with 44% saying they approve of the plan. The margin is right at the edge of the poll's sampling error.
Surveys on this topic tell a mixed story because many Americans know little about the issue. Recent CBS and Fox polls indicate support for the new policy, using questions that describe the new policy in some detail. But in the CNN poll, when asked their opinion of the Obama policy with no details spelled out, support was much less and a large partisan divide emerged. A recent Pew poll also suggests Americans are closely divided, and that poll may hold the key to the differences. Nearly four in ten Americans say they have heard nothing at all about this controversy."
Half of all Americans say they oppose the Obama administration's new policy concerning employer-provided health insurance plans and their coverage of contraceptive services for female employees including those at religiously affiliated institutions, according to a new national survey out today.
Keep spewing your trash statistics with headlines ONLY reads.
Its a 50/50 poll with the intelligent people supporting and the other half not ... READ the fine lines on the CNN Poll. With the majority of the American people uneducated about the whole situation as a whole. AND I QUOTE:
"According to the survey, 50% of the public disapproves of the Obama administration policy, with 44% saying they approve of the plan. The margin is right at the edge of the poll's sampling error.
Surveys on this topic tell a mixed story because many Americans know little about the issue. Recent CBS and Fox polls indicate support for the new policy, using questions that describe the new policy in some detail. But in the CNN poll, when asked their opinion of the Obama policy with no details spelled out, support was much less and a large partisan divide emerged. A recent Pew poll also suggests Americans are closely divided, and that poll may hold the key to the differences. Nearly four in ten Americans say they have heard nothing at all about this controversy."
yep, exactly, when people know the details of the plan, they tend to disagree with it.
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They can deny treatment? Yes? They can deny any part of their health coverage. Haven't we been telling them for years they need to accept treatments? So its allowable for them to deny any part of health care or whatever based on their religious beliefs.
The same goes for contraceptives. You have to offer the pethora of services to everyone its up to an individual to use or not to use. You cannot take away the freedom choice away because one person says we have to or you are infringing.
since when have employers restricted their employees from obtaining contraception?
RC, SoDak 1998 - KC 2000 - Council Bluffs IA 2003 - Fargo ND 2003 - St. Paul MN 2003 - Alpine Valley 2003 - St Louis MO 2004 - Kissimmee FLA 2004 - Winnipeg 2005 - Thunder Bay 2005 - Chicago 2006 - Grand Rapids MI 2006 - Denver CO 2006 - Lollapalooza 2007 - Bonnaroo 2008 - Austin City Limits 2009 - Los Angeles 2009 - KC 2010 - St Louis MO 2010 - PJ20 Night 1 - PJ20 Night 2
They can deny treatment? Yes? They can deny any part of their health coverage. Haven't we been telling them for years they need to accept treatments? So its allowable for them to deny any part of health care or whatever based on their religious beliefs.
The same goes for contraceptives. You have to offer the pethora of services to everyone its up to an individual to use or not to use. You cannot take away the freedom choice away because one person says we have to or you are infringing.
since when have employers restricted their employees from obtaining contraception?
You cannot take away the freedom choice away because one person says we have to or you are infringing.
yep
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"Conscientious scruples have not, in the course of the long struggle for religious toleration, relieved the individual from obedience to a general law not aimed at the promotion or restriction of religious beliefs. The mere possession of religious convictions which contradict the relevant concerns of a political society does not relieve the citizen from the discharge of political responsibilities.
(Footnote omitted.) We first had occasion to assert that principle in Reynolds v. United States, 98 U.S. 145 (1879), where we rejected the claim that criminal laws against polygamy could not be constitutionally applied to those whose religion commanded the practice. "Laws," we said,
are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious belief and opinions, they may with practices. . . . Can a man excuse his practices to the contrary because of his religious belief? To permit this would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and in effect to permit every citizen to become a law unto himself."
I don't believe this law is to restrict religious beliefs, but to provide more affordable preventative services to women. If you are catholic and don't believe in contraception, then you don't have to use it.
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Eat the bacon, would yah?
not too long ago...
There are employees who must pay into this health insurance plan who
feel this goes against their own beliefs also ... not just that of the employer
we have had these individuals on the local news who would choose not to carry
health insurance ... I would imagine if all feel this way the employer would not have to
provide nor incur the costs of insurance or fines, if all choose to sign an insurance waiver.
and my thought I wonder if any fines incurred are perhaps less costly than providing insurance
to employees in the first place
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Well, while I'm on the same side of this discussion as you...your analogy is off.
Currently, the employees can use their paychecks to pay for the pill. Their employers just don't want to have to pay directly for it through insurance.
Hey, I said it was a better analogy, not a perfect one.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-f ... usage-fest
:roll:
The policy is in support of the recommendations of the U.S. Preventive Services Task Force about the prevention methods that are most important and are supported by the greatest evidence. But go ahead and trivialize it since you have nothing of substance to say; you're just demonstrating your ignorance.
if they took the time to research the impact kittens have on their owners, they'd say the same thing. It's the same logic, just not as much background research has been done to support it.
I'm so glad you know more about medical care than the nation's leading physicians. :roll:
Does this supposed right of theirs apply to life-saving medical care? Do I have a right to deny you access to life-saving medical care based on my own personal beliefs??
this was funny though
hmmm... on side note i cant imagine why Colbert has stopped production (of his show)
I think HIPAA covers that
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... /?on.cnn=1
Half of all Americans say they oppose the Obama administration's new policy concerning employer-provided health insurance plans and their coverage of contraceptive services for female employees including those at religiously affiliated institutions, according to a new national survey out today.
They can deny treatment? Yes? They can deny any part of their health coverage. Haven't we been telling them for years they need to accept treatments? So its allowable for them to deny any part of health care or whatever based on their religious beliefs.
The same goes for contraceptives. You have to offer the pethora of services to everyone its up to an individual to use or not to use. You cannot take away the freedom choice away because one person says we have to or you are infringing.
Its a 50/50 poll with the intelligent people supporting and the other half not
"According to the survey, 50% of the public disapproves of the Obama administration policy, with 44% saying they approve of the plan. The margin is right at the edge of the poll's sampling error.
Surveys on this topic tell a mixed story because many Americans know little about the issue. Recent CBS and Fox polls indicate support for the new policy, using questions that describe the new policy in some detail. But in the CNN poll, when asked their opinion of the Obama policy with no details spelled out, support was much less and a large partisan divide emerged. A recent Pew poll also suggests Americans are closely divided, and that poll may hold the key to the differences. Nearly four in ten Americans say they have heard nothing at all about this controversy."
yep, exactly, when people know the details of the plan, they tend to disagree with it.
since when have employers restricted their employees from obtaining contraception?
Is that your final answer?
read it ONE more time PLEASE
yep
Might, as well say Im sitting on a mushroom with the Chesire cat, that would be fair attempt at logical.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/02/1 ... ion-debate
"Conscientious scruples have not, in the course of the long struggle for religious toleration, relieved the individual from obedience to a general law not aimed at the promotion or restriction of religious beliefs. The mere possession of religious convictions which contradict the relevant concerns of a political society does not relieve the citizen from the discharge of political responsibilities.
(Footnote omitted.) We first had occasion to assert that principle in Reynolds v. United States, 98 U.S. 145 (1879), where we rejected the claim that criminal laws against polygamy could not be constitutionally applied to those whose religion commanded the practice. "Laws," we said,
are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious belief and opinions, they may with practices. . . . Can a man excuse his practices to the contrary because of his religious belief? To permit this would be to make the professed doctrines of religious belief superior to the law of the land, and in effect to permit every citizen to become a law unto himself."
I don't believe this law is to restrict religious beliefs, but to provide more affordable preventative services to women. If you are catholic and don't believe in contraception, then you don't have to use it.
Most likely the most intelligent thing to come from him in years.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/publ ... 3QD;_ylv=3