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CROJAM95

josevolution said:

Damn finally both NY teams are really doing good I can’t remember the last time both teams were playing this well! I’m a Jets fan so I’ll be cautiously enjoying this..

Losing the star rookie RB is terrible, not since Curtis Martin has there been someone like this

He  was magical, hopefully comes back close to form  after rehab 

Zach Wilson needs to make strides, looks very inconsistent 

pjhawks

So can we definitively say it was Brady now?  Juggler awfully quiet about Bellicheck these days.

mickeyrat

pjhawks said:

So can we definitively say it was Brady now?  Juggler awfully quiet about Bellicheck these days.

How well does Brady do without Gronk

MayDay10

Zappe's ceiling is Gardner minshew.  

Merkin Baller

If you don't think NE's success over the last two decades was as much Belichick as it was Brady, I question your understanding of the game. 

tempo_n_groove

MayDay10 said:

Zappe's ceiling is Gardner minshew.  

Oh man, I liked Minshew and that fantastic 'stache.

Poncier

mickeyrat said:

pjhawks said:

So can we definitively say it was Brady now?  Juggler awfully quiet about Bellicheck these days.

How well does Brady do without Gronk

Won 4 Super Bowls without him.

MayDay10

I have a lot of respect for belichick and what he has done, accomplished, and his place in the history of the league/sport.  But I think the league has passed him by a bit and the Patriots are in need to modernize a bit in front office and coaching.  Wouldnt hurt them for the wheels to fall off this season and end up in the top 5 to grab one of those QBs.

The AFC is an arms race right now with the QBs and some of the other positional talent (Kelce, Chase, Hill, Diggs, Adams, Hall, etc).  The Dolphins, Jets, and Bills are no longer dormant.  Fielding a 'competent' QB with a decent defense and strong running game isn't going to go anywhere except staying somewhat competitive to grab a low seed in the playoffs year to year.

And the idea that the franchise is going to magically hit on another Brady is fantasy.  Mac Jones was the brady story last season... but now the crowd goes nuts to see Zappe run in there as he is now the Brady story.  

Merkin Baller

MayDay10 said:

I have a lot of respect for belichick and what he has done, accomplished, and his place in the history of the league/sport.  But I think the league has passed him by a bit and the Patriots are in need to modernize a bit in front office and coaching.  Wouldnt hurt them for the wheels to fall off this season and end up in the top 5 to grab one of those QBs.

The AFC is an arms race right now with the QBs and some of the other positional talent (Kelce, Chase, Hill, Diggs, Adams, Hall, etc).  The Dolphins, Jets, and Bills are no longer dormant.  Fielding a 'competent' QB with a decent defense and strong running game isn't going to go anywhere except staying somewhat competitive to grab a low seed in the playoffs year to year.

And the idea that the franchise is going to magically hit on another Brady is fantasy.  Mac Jones was the brady story last season... but now the crowd goes nuts to see Zappe run in there as he is now the Brady story.  

Anyone who thinks NE is going to hit on another Brady is in the minority (& completely untethered from reality).

RE: coaching, until last night the coaches were having a pretty damn good year, and it was one of their strengths over the last 4 games

pjhawks

Merkin Baller said:

If you don't think NE's success over the last two decades was as much Belichick as it was Brady, I question your understanding of the game. 

losing record prior to Brady and .500 record post Brady.   He hasn't exactly lit the world on fire without him.   Lots of people here tried to make it seem it was more Bellicheck than Brady and that the Pats would continue to role because of Bellicheck. Hasn't been the case.  Way more Brady than Bellicheck.   And yes I know it's a stupid argument and not really the time for the argument. I just hate the notion that Bellicheck is the greatest of all time because he had the greatest QB of all time.

Merkin Baller

pjhawks said:

Merkin Baller said:

If you don't think NE's success over the last two decades was as much Belichick as it was Brady, I question your understanding of the game. 

losing record prior to Brady and .500 record post Brady.   He hasn't exactly lit the world on fire without him.   Lots of people here tried to make it seem it was more Bellicheck than Brady and that the Pats would continue to role because of Bellicheck. Hasn't been the case.  Way more Brady than Bellicheck.

I can't speak for the people saying it was more Belichick than Brady, I say it was both. 


Were you not around for the '01, '03 & '04 championships? Those were before Brady became the Brady we've known since '07, and those defenses were f'ing absurd. 

Even their last two titles against the Falcons and Rams were phenomenal defensive performances. Yeah, the former had the biggest comeback in SB history, but that was only on the shoulders of an amazing defensive performance. & do you think NE wins the 2018 AFCCG if they don't hold Mahomes to < 50 yards in the 1st half? 

I stand by my statement: If you don't think NE's success over the last two decades was as much Belichick as it was Brady, I question your understanding of the game. 

josevolution

CROJAM95 said:

josevolution said:

Damn finally both NY teams are really doing good I can’t remember the last time both teams were playing this well! I’m a Jets fan so I’ll be cautiously enjoying this..

Losing the star rookie RB is terrible, not since Curtis Martin has there been someone like this

He  was magical, hopefully comes back close to form  after rehab 

Zach Wilson needs to make strides, looks very inconsistent 

This is the 1 season since the Rex years that I’ve tuned in so I need to catch up! My son keeps me in the loop all things Jets, I agree with your assessment on the injuries that is definitely a bummer! 

tempo_n_groove

Doesn't Belicheks supporting cast keep moving on?  You have to applaud people like him and Saban that have their coaches leave and still do well.  Saban more that Bill right now obviously.

The Juggler

tempo_n_groove said:

Doesn't Belicheks supporting cast keep moving on?  You have to applaud people like him and Saban that have their coaches leave and still do well.  Saban more that Bill right now obviously.

That's what the great ones do, they adapt. Saban learned from the best. 

pjhawks

Merkin Baller said:

pjhawks said:

Merkin Baller said:

If you don't think NE's success over the last two decades was as much Belichick as it was Brady, I question your understanding of the game. 

losing record prior to Brady and .500 record post Brady.   He hasn't exactly lit the world on fire without him.   Lots of people here tried to make it seem it was more Bellicheck than Brady and that the Pats would continue to role because of Bellicheck. Hasn't been the case.  Way more Brady than Bellicheck.

I can't speak for the people saying it was more Belichick than Brady, I say it was both. 


Were you not around for the '01, '03 & '04 championships? Those were before Brady became the Brady we've known since '07, and those defenses were f'ing absurd. 

Even their last two titles against the Falcons and Rams were phenomenal defensive performances. Yeah, the former had the biggest comeback in SB history, but that was only on the shoulders of an amazing defensive performance. & do you think NE wins the 2018 AFCCG if they don't hold Mahomes to < 50 yards in the 1st half? 

I stand by my statement: If you don't think NE's success over the last two decades was as much Belichick as it was Brady, I question your understanding of the game. 

yes i was around when they cheated the Eagles. 

and that legendary defensive coach gave up 41 in the Super Bowl to a backup QB...or as I like to call it one of the greatest days in world history.

75% Brady, 25% Bellicheck

Merkin Baller

pjhawks said:

Merkin Baller said:

pjhawks said:

Merkin Baller said:

If you don't think NE's success over the last two decades was as much Belichick as it was Brady, I question your understanding of the game. 

losing record prior to Brady and .500 record post Brady.   He hasn't exactly lit the world on fire without him.   Lots of people here tried to make it seem it was more Bellicheck than Brady and that the Pats would continue to role because of Bellicheck. Hasn't been the case.  Way more Brady than Bellicheck.

I can't speak for the people saying it was more Belichick than Brady, I say it was both. 


Were you not around for the '01, '03 & '04 championships? Those were before Brady became the Brady we've known since '07, and those defenses were f'ing absurd. 

Even their last two titles against the Falcons and Rams were phenomenal defensive performances. Yeah, the former had the biggest comeback in SB history, but that was only on the shoulders of an amazing defensive performance. & do you think NE wins the 2018 AFCCG if they don't hold Mahomes to < 50 yards in the 1st half? 

I stand by my statement: If you don't think NE's success over the last two decades was as much Belichick as it was Brady, I question your understanding of the game. 

yes i was around when they cheated the Eagles. 

and that legendary defensive coach gave up 41 in the Super Bowl to a backup QB...or as I like to call it one of the greatest days in world history.

75% Brady, 25% Bellicheck

Oh my, you're just precious. 

Wobbie

CROJAM95 said:

josevolution said:

Damn finally both NY teams are really doing good I can’t remember the last time both teams were playing this well! I’m a Jets fan so I’ll be cautiously enjoying this..

Zach Wilson needs to make strides, looks very inconsistent 

overhyped from day 1.

josevolution

Wobbie said:

CROJAM95 said:

josevolution said:

Damn finally both NY teams are really doing good I can’t remember the last time both teams were playing this well! I’m a Jets fan so I’ll be cautiously enjoying this..

Zach Wilson needs to make strides, looks very inconsistent 

overhyped from day 1.

Still doesn’t mean he won’t mature into a good quarterback! 

Attaway77

Brady will be back with the Patriots to end his career....He's not hanging it up after this season.. Bill & Brady will be back together to end their careers chasing that one last ring. It's happening....

Wobbie

Attaway77 said:

Brady will be back with the Patriots to end his career....He's not hanging it up after this season.. Bill & Brady will be back together to end their careers chasing that one last ring. It's happening....

OMG, the hate would be strong!