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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,500
    The Washington.....  Wait for it....


    Commanders!

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  • tempo_n_groove
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Belicheck gaffe isn't a big deal.  They may have had eyes on a coach and he fit better and you go through the motions.  I'm ok w that.

    The paying the coach to tank though?  That should get the owner removed.  or he should have hired Brett Brown. (boo hiss)

    I am not seeing how race fits into this though?  You got fired because you didn't want to do what your unscrupulous owner wanted, not because you are a minority.

    If they do start digging though and find out some stuff I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest.  Get rid of some owners then and bring in some new blood to run the teams.
    I've read the entire complaint. The racism he's alleging has little to do with being fired from the Dolphins, but rather, the interview process as he tried to get a new job. Long story short, he says what we've always known, that the Rooney Rule leads to a bunch of token interviews. Thanks to Belichick's texts (way to pay attention to detail, Bill. DO YOUR JOB!), he found out that the Giants have already chosen Daboll as their coach, even though Flores was interviewing the following day. In fairness to the Giants, it's likely they just liked Daboll and wanted him, but had to interview Flores to satisfy the Rooney Rule. So in some regards, I think the lawsuit is meant to shine a light on the Rooney Rule being an affirmative action rule that doesn't really work. It sucks for Flores to be put through a sham interview, but it sucks for the Giants to be forced to put him through a sham interview.

    The race stuff is for others to worry about. For me, as a Dolphins fan, all I want out of this is for the league to get rid of Stephen Ross, the Dolphins' owner. He is so awful and this is grounds to do it if any of this can be proven. Offering a coach extra money to lose? It also shines a light on how shitty the draft process is. They should do a lottery system a la the NBA. By doing it in reverse order of the standings, it encourages someone like Ross to want to lose, and it discourages (and apparently, even punishes) someone like Flores who wants to win. 
    Yeah I stated earlier that if you had your eyes on someone else and liked them then you go through the motions because you have to.  That's how things go.  You want your right fit, I agree.

    If they can connect the dots and prove that the ownership is racist and won't hire black coaches then I am all for it.  Tear it down.
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    edited February 2022
    The Commanders name, logo, uniforms are all awful. The name is also eerily similar to the old arena league team from 30 + years ago. 


    Blow that stupid franchise up. Actually, NAY.... as an Eagles fan: long live the Commandos! Never change!



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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,270
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    The Belicheck gaffe isn't a big deal.  They may have had eyes on a coach and he fit better and you go through the motions.  I'm ok w that.

    The paying the coach to tank though?  That should get the owner removed.  or he should have hired Brett Brown. (boo hiss)

    I am not seeing how race fits into this though?  You got fired because you didn't want to do what your unscrupulous owner wanted, not because you are a minority.

    If they do start digging though and find out some stuff I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest.  Get rid of some owners then and bring in some new blood to run the teams.
    I've read the entire complaint. The racism he's alleging has little to do with being fired from the Dolphins, but rather, the interview process as he tried to get a new job. Long story short, he says what we've always known, that the Rooney Rule leads to a bunch of token interviews. Thanks to Belichick's texts (way to pay attention to detail, Bill. DO YOUR JOB!), he found out that the Giants have already chosen Daboll as their coach, even though Flores was interviewing the following day. In fairness to the Giants, it's likely they just liked Daboll and wanted him, but had to interview Flores to satisfy the Rooney Rule. So in some regards, I think the lawsuit is meant to shine a light on the Rooney Rule being an affirmative action rule that doesn't really work. It sucks for Flores to be put through a sham interview, but it sucks for the Giants to be forced to put him through a sham interview.

    The race stuff is for others to worry about. For me, as a Dolphins fan, all I want out of this is for the league to get rid of Stephen Ross, the Dolphins' owner. He is so awful and this is grounds to do it if any of this can be proven. Offering a coach extra money to lose? It also shines a light on how shitty the draft process is. They should do a lottery system a la the NBA. By doing it in reverse order of the standings, it encourages someone like Ross to want to lose, and it discourages (and apparently, even punishes) someone like Flores who wants to win. 
    What was your opinion on Flores as a Dolphin fan?  It seemed to me like he was doing a pretty good job.  I was surprised that they cut him loose before all this shit came out.
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  • MayDay10
    MayDay10 Posts: 11,856
    As a Bills fan, I was thrilled that Miami dropped Flores.  
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    MayDay10 said:
    As a Bills fan, I was thrilled that Miami dropped Flores.  
    As a Patriots fan, I took it as a net gain too, I hated him as a rival coach in the AFCE. 

    At this point I hope Belichick brings him back. (it's not like he's going to be getting any head coaching opportunities any time soon). 
  • tempo_n_groove
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    Merkin Baller said:
    MayDay10 said:
    As a Bills fan, I was thrilled that Miami dropped Flores.  
    As a Patriots fan, I took it as a net gain too, I hated him as a rival coach in the AFCE. 

    At this point I hope Belichick brings him back. (it's not like he's going to be getting any head coaching opportunities any time soon). 
    Living in NY I thought Todd Bowles did a really good job w what he had.  My only complaint was his (and Rex Ryan before that) misuse and development of the QB.

    I would love to see Bowles as a coach somewhere else.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Considering 70% of the league are Black players, it makes little sense that there is only one Black head coach.  
  • tempo_n_groove
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    mrussel1 said:
    Considering 70% of the league are Black players, it makes little sense that there is only one Black head coach.  
    Only 13% of the population but 70% of the league membership.  Someone had mentioned that you go into coaching early.  if you made money and want a life out of sports then you aren't coaching.  When your career is up you have made some money where you don't really have to worry anymore.

    Maybe start a mentoring program at the peewee level to start coaches?

    Throwing ideas around here.
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,270
    Are there any black owners of NFL teams? 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Gern Blansten said:
    Are there any black owners of NFL teams? 
    I heard Kanye has interest in the Broncos.
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  • mrussel1
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Are there any black owners of NFL teams? 
    I heard Kanye has interest in the Broncos.
    I'm not aware of any majority owners.  
  • tempo_n_groove
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    Gern Blansten said:
    Are there any black owners of NFL teams? 
    None.  In baseball and basketball there are some but none in the good ol boys club.
  • Ledbetterman10
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Are there any black owners of NFL teams? 
    None.  In baseball and basketball there are some but none in the good ol boys club.
    No there isn't. There's no black MLB owners and the only black NBA owner is Michael Jordan (Charlotte Hornets)
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  • pjhawks
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Are there any black owners of NFL teams? 
    I heard Kanye has interest in the Broncos.
    They are valued at $4 billion. I don't think yeezus can afford that.
  • tempo_n_groove
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Are there any black owners of NFL teams? 
    None.  In baseball and basketball there are some but none in the good ol boys club.
    No there isn't. There's no black MLB owners and the only black NBA owner is Michael Jordan (Charlotte Hornets)
    Sorry Minority owners.

    Derek Jeter for the Marlins.
  • tempo_n_groove
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    Buffalo Bills owner is Asian and Pakistani owner of Jaguars in fooseball.

    Art Moreno is Latin for the Angels.
  • tempo_n_groove
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    pjhawks said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Are there any black owners of NFL teams? 
    I heard Kanye has interest in the Broncos.
    They are valued at $4 billion. I don't think yeezus can afford that.
    He could ask Oprah?
  • I am a patriot
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    Ledbetterman10 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Are there any black owners of NFL teams? 
    None.  In baseball and basketball there are some but none in the good ol boys club.
    No there isn't. There's no black MLB owners and the only black NBA owner is Michael Jordan (Charlotte Hornets)
    Magic Johnson is an owner of the Dodgers. Not outright, of course, but I would say the face of ownership.

    Still, too few. 
  • tempo_n_groove
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    I am a patriot said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Are there any black owners of NFL teams? 
    None.  In baseball and basketball there are some but none in the good ol boys club.
    No there isn't. There's no black MLB owners and the only black NBA owner is Michael Jordan (Charlotte Hornets)
    Magic Johnson is an owner of the Dodgers. Not outright, of course, but I would say the face of ownership.

    Still, too few. 
    I forgot about him!

    Jay-Z was part owner but wanted to do an agency instead.

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