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crookedcross

mrussel1 said:

Glorified KC said:

Wobbie said:

crookedcross said:

Steelers just picked up Haskins 

if he would get his shit together, he might have a career there.

or not.

Considering where he went to college, I would say not.  Good luck to the team that wastes a draft pick on Justin Fields.  

Yeah Ohio state pumps out shitty talent.  Good observation. 

Shitty QB talent

mrussel1

crookedcross said:

mrussel1 said:

Glorified KC said:

Wobbie said:

crookedcross said:

Steelers just picked up Haskins 

if he would get his shit together, he might have a career there.

or not.

Considering where he went to college, I would say not.  Good luck to the team that wastes a draft pick on Justin Fields.  

Yeah Ohio state pumps out shitty talent.  Good observation. 

Shitty QB talent

Remind me of the "can't miss" QBU? Is it Wyoming? Miami Ohio? Texas Tech? Bama?  Which school pumps out great talent?

crookedcross

mrussel1 said:

crookedcross said:

mrussel1 said:

Glorified KC said:

Wobbie said:

crookedcross said:

Steelers just picked up Haskins 

if he would get his shit together, he might have a career there.

or not.

Considering where he went to college, I would say not.  Good luck to the team that wastes a draft pick on Justin Fields.  

Yeah Ohio state pumps out shitty talent.  Good observation. 

Shitty QB talent

Remind me of the "can't miss" QBU? Is it Wyoming? Miami Ohio? Texas Tech? Bama?  Which school pumps out great talent?

Was just saying Ohio pumps out a decent amount of talented players in other positions. Unless the Giants draft them. Eli Apple was an incredible waste of a top-10 pick. 

crookedcross

In terms of QBUs, Oklahoma and Clemson seem to be doing ok the last few years. 

Indifference71

So this new Lions coach is a real meathead huh?  That was quite an introductory press conference....and they gave him a 6 year deal.  That's pretty wild for a first time head coach.

MayDay10

"6 years" made me perk up.  

Campbell is an odd choice I think.  If Im an NFL team, Im going with one of the OCs like Dabol, Bienemy, or McDaniels.

Campbell is great if you think we are still watching 50s and 60s smashmouth football.

It sounds like he checks all the boxes with trying to install 'culture' and all that... but being an attention whore on day one isnt a great indicator that it is going to work out.  Plus... the Lions.

Ledbetterman10

I liked Campbell when he was the Dolphins' interim coach. Definitely doesn't seem like an Xs and Os guy, but the type that players want to run through a wall for. But if he could surround himself with the right Xs and Ox guys, he could be successful. Six years is ridiculous though. I can't see him lasting that long. I base that on the past 30 years of Lions football. 

mrussel1

crookedcross said:

In terms of QBUs, Oklahoma and Clemson seem to be doing ok the last few years. 

So one for Clemson, 2 for OU, is that the number?  *Two*?  Am I missing a QB?  Jalen Hurts is good?  Landry Jones?  Trevor Knight?  Sam Bradford?  These are all superstars.  The only school that I can think of that had three qbs starting at one time, best I can recall, is Michigan State.  So by that logic, a draft evaluator should put a Sparty QB in the mix by virtue of the jersey he wears.  

JeBurkhardt

Ledbetterman10 said:

I liked Campbell when he was the Dolphins' interim coach. Definitely doesn't seem like an Xs and Os guy, but the type that players want to run through a wall for. But if he could surround himself with the right Xs and Ox guys, he could be successful. Six years is ridiculous though. I can't see him lasting that long. I base that on the past 30 years of Lions football. 

Hopefully he does. As a 49er fan, I have experience with Mike Singletary being a head coach who could light up a locker room, but had questionable at best coordinators. The results weren't pretty.   

F Me In The Brain

crookedcross said:

mrussel1 said:

Glorified KC said:

Wobbie said:

crookedcross said:

Steelers just picked up Haskins 

if he would get his shit together, he might have a career there.

or not.

Considering where he went to college, I would say not.  Good luck to the team that wastes a draft pick on Justin Fields.  

Yeah Ohio state pumps out shitty talent.  Good observation. 

Shitty QB talent

Yeah we did cover that a while back.  Not any good QBs in recent times.  Homers can argue it but there is no case to be made.

They certainly do crank everywhere else, though.

mrussel1

F Me In The Brain said:

crookedcross said:

mrussel1 said:

Glorified KC said:

Wobbie said:

crookedcross said:

Steelers just picked up Haskins 

if he would get his shit together, he might have a career there.

or not.

Considering where he went to college, I would say not.  Good luck to the team that wastes a draft pick on Justin Fields.  

Yeah Ohio state pumps out shitty talent.  Good observation. 

Shitty QB talent

Yeah we did cover that a while back.  Not any good QBs in recent times.  Homers can argue it but there is no case to be made.

They certainly do crank everywhere else, though.

Yeah,  Wyoming and Miami Ohio are great at qbs. Using the statistically significant number of "one" is all the evidence necessary. 

There are 32 starting qbs and maybe 25 good ones. There are 120ish D1 schools.  So yeah,  they're cranking them out everywhere.  

F Me In The Brain

mrussel1 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

crookedcross said:

mrussel1 said:

Glorified KC said:

Wobbie said:

crookedcross said:

Steelers just picked up Haskins 

if he would get his shit together, he might have a career there.

or not.

Considering where he went to college, I would say not.  Good luck to the team that wastes a draft pick on Justin Fields.  

Yeah Ohio state pumps out shitty talent.  Good observation. 

Shitty QB talent

Yeah we did cover that a while back.  Not any good QBs in recent times.  Homers can argue it but there is no case to be made.

They certainly do crank everywhere else, though.

Yeah,  Wyoming and Miami Ohio are great at qbs. Using the statistically significant number of "one" is all the evidence necessary. 

There are 32 starting qbs and maybe 25 good ones. There are 120ish D1 schools.  So yeah,  they're cranking them out everywhere.  

I feel that you are being defensive for your school. 

I am not...USC has a track record almost nobody can match for NFL players, Hall of Famers, 1st Rounders, etc....but they have produced very little at QB.  Carson Palmer was a very good QB.  Beyond that nobody was good for long.

No shame in this.  Most traditional powers have produced someone very good to great. 

Some, have not.

MayDay10

carson palmer was on track until he got his knee blown up

mrussel1

F Me In The Brain said:

mrussel1 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

crookedcross said:

mrussel1 said:

Glorified KC said:

Wobbie said:

crookedcross said:

Steelers just picked up Haskins 

if he would get his shit together, he might have a career there.

or not.

Considering where he went to college, I would say not.  Good luck to the team that wastes a draft pick on Justin Fields.  

Yeah Ohio state pumps out shitty talent.  Good observation. 

Shitty QB talent

Yeah we did cover that a while back.  Not any good QBs in recent times.  Homers can argue it but there is no case to be made.

They certainly do crank everywhere else, though.

Yeah,  Wyoming and Miami Ohio are great at qbs. Using the statistically significant number of "one" is all the evidence necessary. 

There are 32 starting qbs and maybe 25 good ones. There are 120ish D1 schools.  So yeah,  they're cranking them out everywhere.  

I feel that you are being defensive for your school. 

I am not...USC has a track record almost nobody can match for NFL players, Hall of Famers, 1st Rounders, etc....but they have produced very little at QB.  Carson Palmer was a very good QB.  Beyond that nobody was good for long.

No shame in this.  Most traditional powers have produced someone very good to great. 

Some, have not.

Not necessarily for the reason of defending the school.  The point is stupid.  Justin Fields success or lack of success in the NFL has nothing to do with where he went to school.  There is literally no modern historical trend between a college, its coaching staff, and the success in the NFL.  The closest thing to a trend would have been in the 80's when Miami produced Kelly, Kosar, Testeverde, Torretta, Walsh, Erickson.  The first three were successful in the NFL. And it's a stretch to call it modern.  Since then, I challenge anyone to find a trend in QB production from a school and a coaching staff at the school.  There are so many factors that lead to a QB's success in the NFL.  Where they went to school is anomaly.  It's random.  It is NOT predictive.  That's the point. 

F Me In The Brain

Oklahoma seems like they have a QB system in place, right now.

F Me In The Brain

Also.... OSU has none.  Do you agree with this?
That is why I felt it was a defensive position relative to your team.

Fields could be the first....who knows.

mrussel1

F Me In The Brain said:

Oklahoma seems like they have a QB system in place, right now.

Less than Michigan State did a few years ago.  FWIW, the book is still out on Baker (but he had a good year, and his good year is because he's now in a system with a coach (stefanski) who is utilizing him better, putting him in a position to be successful).  But that is yet another argument against the theory that the college he attended is somehow predictive.  And I personally think Murray will be relegated to backup within another year or two.  I think he's just too small. 

Wobbie

mrussel1 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

crookedcross said:

mrussel1 said:

Glorified KC said:

Wobbie said:

crookedcross said:

Steelers just picked up Haskins 

if he would get his shit together, he might have a career there.

or not.

Considering where he went to college, I would say not.  Good luck to the team that wastes a draft pick on Justin Fields.  

Yeah Ohio state pumps out shitty talent.  Good observation. 

Shitty QB talent

Yeah we did cover that a while back.  Not any good QBs in recent times.  Homers can argue it but there is no case to be made.

They certainly do crank everywhere else, though.

Yeah,  Wyoming and Miami Ohio are great at qbs. Using the statistically significant number of "one" is all the evidence necessary. 

There are 32 starting qbs and maybe 25 good ones. There are 120ish D1 schools.  So yeah,  they're cranking them out everywhere.  

I think 25 is too high a number.

Glorified KC

mrussel1 said:

Glorified KC said:

Wobbie said:

crookedcross said:

Steelers just picked up Haskins 

if he would get his shit together, he might have a career there.

or not.

Considering where he went to college, I would say not.  Good luck to the team that wastes a draft pick on Justin Fields.  

Yeah Ohio state pumps out shitty talent.  Good observation. 

Considering the record holder for passing yards in the NFL from an Ohio State alum is Mike Tomczak, I would say Fields doesn't have a very good pedigree.

mrussel1

Glorified KC said:

mrussel1 said:

Glorified KC said:

Wobbie said:

crookedcross said:

Steelers just picked up Haskins 

if he would get his shit together, he might have a career there.

or not.

Considering where he went to college, I would say not.  Good luck to the team that wastes a draft pick on Justin Fields.  

Yeah Ohio state pumps out shitty talent.  Good observation. 

Considering the record holder for passing yards in the NFL from an Ohio State alum is Mike Tomczak, I would say Fields doesn't have a very good pedigree.

Another great point.  So tell me about the synergies between the recruiting, talent development and offensive systems between Coach Bruce, Cooper, Tressel, Myer, Fickel and Day.  I mean surely there must be tons in common other than the O on their uniform that would lead you to say that Fields going to Ohio State is a recipe for failure in the NFL.  Surely Mel Kiper, and GMs across the league are pouring over the numbers of Tomczak, Herbie, Joe Germain, Krenzel, Miller and all the other Buckeyes QB's when determining whether to draft Fields or not.  I mean it makes perfect fucking sense.